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Hi -- I have lipomas in my legs(fatty tissue tumors). They are flat, diffuse, unencapsulated. I had surgery for one and it is spreading again.
My only hope right now is I was told by an MD to drink mangosteen juice, that it might make them go away.
I've been drinking the juice around the clock now for about a month. I've been watching the situ -- the newest lumps are softening and the pain around them has gone down. The oldest one keeps growing.
Does anyone have any scientific info on them and how Lyme might be causing them?
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Dear Robin123, I see nobody has been able to help you, and I'm afraid I can't either. I just wanted you to know you are not the only one with lipomas. I have heard this from several other people over the years.
I've had Lyme for 21 years. I developed a whole bunch of tiny lipomas all at once about ten years ago, when I gained a lot of weight going through menopause. One was biopsied and found to be a lipoma, and after that I was told to ignore them. I have so many in my thighs, that they feel like a bumpy road.
If it makes you feel any better, I have had no further problems with them that I know of.
Klutzo
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One of my sons, who I fear also has Lyme, but hasn't been tested due to his lack of good insurance to cover any of it (Kaiser), had a large lipoma on his back while he was in college. It was surgically removed and has not returned.
One of my dogs, who HAS tested positive for Lyme, but is asymptomatic now, following treatment, also has one. Hers is on her side and has not changed since I first noticed it.
I don't know if there's a connection to Lyme, but thought I'd throw this out there for someone with more knowledge about it than I have.
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I have 1 too; mid-back in the area where the bra fastens! dermitoligist refused to remove it "cosmetic"! Bettyg
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7 years ago when I first got Lyme but didn't know it, I grew a massive Lipoma! Didn't know there could be a correlation between the two, but it would make sense!
I thought it was just backfat after having a baby. Then I put on a backless dress and realized I had a huge hump under one arm but not the other!
My doctor removed the thing, and once out of me they found it weighed 1 1/2 lbs! Yuck.
Your mangosteen testamony is inspiring me....
Thanks,
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Hi -- thanks for the responses. This disease is amazing. The doctors have not recognized the seriousness of the lipoma situation -- all think it is not important.
This is not so -- mine grew. I am tired of doctors being constantly wrong in their judgments when I go to them for help.
I had surgery on it once and it is growing again. The mangosteen juice takes down the new lumps(yay!) but the oldest seems to be growing still.
I have a question: how much is known about lyme and lipid dysfunction? Anyone have any research referrals?
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Hi -- want to ask this question again, since I think a lot of people were away at the recent conference. Anyone know any science about the unencapped lipomas -- what is causing them, what would make them go away, or at least reduce?
I'd really like to know what is going on physiologically -- why the fat cells are multiplying out of normal control. This situation is affecting one of my knees.
I'm probably headed for surgery again, which is not fun to go thru. The lipoma also might just continue to grow in the area where I have surgery, since it continued to grow after surgery last time.
The mangosteen juice has taken down all new lumps but I don't think it's taking down the old one.
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Robin, I don't know if this helps, but I know of someone who had a lipoma on her arm. She talked one of her doctors into ``lipo-suctioning'' if off (or out).
Of course, they sent it off to the lab for evaluation, and the doctor said that all they found were lots and LOTS of ``toxins''.
Now, we know that toxins tend to end up stored in fat cells. And lipomas are just fatty tumors, right? So, this makes me wonder if somehow when our bodies run out of places to store toxins that it can't get rid of, it builds these lipomas.
My dog has about 10 of them, all over his body, some flat and some rather large. It seems that more are appearing all the time. I'm really tempted to start giving him the mangosteen juice!!
The only other thing I've found is a homeopathic remedy called Baryta Carbonica. Someone on a homeopathic website recommended it for lipomas in a dog. I just recently got some for my dog, but haven't started it yet.
PM me if you are interested in that, and I can tell you what potency to get, etc.
Tracy
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Robin, You asked about lipids....I remember reading a long article by Dr. K, a couple of years ago, wherein he listed changes that Lyme makes in test results.
One of the changes was that total cholesterol will rise moderately, and LDL will rise dramatically. That is exactly what happened to my lipids since getting Lyme.
I am not sure if it was in the same place, but I also read that LDL binds to endotoxins and removes them from the body, so it looks like our body is trying to help us by doing this.
I don't know about the lipomas, but wonder why everyone else here seems to have one or two really large ones, while I have dozens of tiny ones....strange.
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Just an add on to my above post -
I went back through my notes on lipomas (for my dog), and I found another article I'd saved. This guy sets forth a simple protocol that he claims will dissolve the lipomas - yes, even the existing ones. It involves taking Transfer Factor. I have also seen similar information on several natural health pet websites.
Anyway, here's the link to a letter where he tells someone about the protocol.
I also noticed that a common belief is that lipomas develop when the body is unable to properly process fats. Now, that can be from Lyme or some other disruption of the system, or it could be a weakness that some of us are born with.
Anyway, hope this might help.
Tracy
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quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: My dog has about 10 of them, all over his body, some flat and some rather large. It seems that more are appearing all the time. I'm really tempted to start giving him the mangosteen juice!!
Trust me....with the right BRAND of mangosteen, IT WILL WORK. I know LOTS of people who give it to their pets.
Pets [unless they are large] don't need much for it to work!
I know a dog who is now happily rid of two large tumors his vet couldn't get rid of....AND all the hair grew back where he had two large bald spots!!
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This is really weird...I too developed a large
lipoma on my abdomen this summer when my Lymes
symptoms had started a few months prior. I've
never had one in my 42 years until now.
Interesting..
Kelly
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Lipomas everywhere.
Yep...I got 'em.
Now..they are disappearing...I drink the original mangosteen supplement...not a cheap knock off...I also advise adding Iodoral...it is an Iodide/Iodine Supplement.
Works great...for most.
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Thanks Trout and Lymetoo!
Tracy
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The cause of lympomas is unknown.
They are usually benign (not cancerous!) fatty lumps that more often happen when we age and in those who are overweight. They happen in our pets too.
There maybe a genetic problem as my husband once worked with a guy who got these over and over (multiple ones) and about once a year, had to have them surgically removed. He had no other symptoms of any disease going on. He was not heavy set.
They can happen anywhere inside the body.
Growth hormone levels might be involved since this typically drops as we age which is when we are more prone to developing these.
It also maybe linked to lipase levels (that enzyme is supposed to breakdown fats). Lipase levels at that exact location?
Bb wants sugar (fructose) and fats.
Or it maybe related to cortisol levels which when high ongoing can -> increased weight -> more prone to developing these.
Or it maybe related to mitochondrial DNA damage at that location. The mitochondria are the powerhouses of the cells where Mg-ATP is located.
Since lipomas sometimes happen also in HIV (that virus uses Mg, not Mn), this nutrient level might also be a player in the process. Keep in mind, it takes Mg to make and control many enzymes.
Lipomas also look to be related to alcohol (all spirochetes ferment sugar to alcohol/ethanol).
Page 518-519 from Gary Null's book, The Complete Encyclopedia of Natural Healing...
For what it is worth...
ONE person reported he had a lipoma and changed his diet to whole grains, lots of greens and no dairy and the lipoma vanished.
Wish I could be of more help, but we don't know exactly what the trigger is or if there is more than one trigger.
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Hi -- thx, all, for the replies -- wish there was more research on this issue --
Trout, why Iodoral? For low thyroid?
Marnie, re not doing dairy, is it because it's another form of sugar/it's inflammatory? Just curious -- I happen to like milk and it doesn't seem to give me any problems that I know of.
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Hopefully, Trout will be back. I take Iodoral also. It is to keep the thyroid in good shape. Your thyroid has to have enough iodine to work properly.
I have no clue why it would help lipomas?
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Wow...this gets complicated!
Calcium, growth hormone, leptin, cortisol, and now ghrelin...the interplay!
Ghrelin Stimulates Appetite, Imagination of Food, GH, ACTH, and Cortisol, but does not Affect Leptin in Normal Controls (Neuropsychopharmacology (2005) 30, 1187-1192)
Researchers right now are working on a vaccine to make us form
antibodies against ghrelin
to prevent obesity.
Ghrelin comes from the epithelial cells in fundus (top) the stomach and is what looks to trigger hunger pains. It DECREASES fat utilization. (Growth hormone works opposite...triggers fat utilization.)
Ghrelin looks to stimulate carbs being utilized, stimulating the pancreatic enzymes to use sugar and starches and storing the excess as fat.
We use carbs for energy FIRST. Next, we're supposed to burn fat and finally protein is used.
Ghrelin stimulates growth hormone which is linked to intracellular calcium levels and stimulates osteoblasts (bone building cells).
Ghrelin concentrations in blood are reduced in obese humans compared to lean control subjects, but whether this is cause or effect is not defined.
Patients with anorexia nervosa have higher than normal plasma ghrelin levels, which decrease if weight gain occurs.
So...as we gain weight, ghrelin drops.
LOW levels of ghrelin are associated with gallstone diseases. Pancreatic enzymes on...liver off?
Let's thow more into the stew:
There appears to be a complex interaction among insulin, leptin, and ghrelin.
Ghrelin - yo, eat! Leptin - yo, you've had enough...stop will ya?!
A new study explored these interactions and indicates that leptin may regulate ghrelin levels and affect body weight changes.
Here's another oddity:
Sleep deprivation *in the rat* is accompanied by increases in ghrelin levels.
In contrast, in humans a nocturnal ghrelin peak was found to be *blunted* during sleep deprivation (7).
Findings in humans suggest dose-dependent differences in the behavioral effects of ghrelin.
At night, a higher dose of ghrelin significantly induced hunger, whereas the lower dose promoted sleep (15).
Interestingly, leptin peaks in humans and in rats during the night, whereas they have opposite sleep-wake patterns.
Are there differences in the action of ghrelin and leptin between rats and humans?
You just have to be in awe of our body's signalling and controls!
Calcium influx is very harmful to the thyroid. I would have to dig for the link,but will do so if you need it.
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shoot..those ``side effects'' are VERY beneficial!!! Bb's cell wall IS lipids.
For thousands of years,
Asian countries have been using the mangosteen in Chinese, Ayurvedic and folk medicine to support optimal health.�
CONCLUSIONS: These results suggest that the water and
50% ethanol extracts
from the fruit hull of GM may be potent
neuroprotectants.
PMID: 16763395
As part of ongoing research on cancer chemopreventive agents from botanical dietary supplements, Garcinia mangostana L. (commonly known as mangosteen) was selected for detailed study.
Alpha-mangostin (10) inhibited 7,12-dimethylbenz[alpha]anthracene-induced preneoplastic lesions in a mouse mammary organ culture assay with an IC50 of 1.0 microg/mL (2.44 microM).
(My interpretation: halts breast cancer.)
PMID: 16536578
Aqueous and ethanolic extracts of ten traditional Thai medicinal plants were investigated for their ability to inhibit 35 hospital isolates of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA).
Nine medicinal plants displayed activity against all isolates tested. Ethanolic extracts of Garcinia mangostana, Punica granatum and Quercus infectoria were most effective, with MICs for MRSA isolates of 0.05-0.4, 0.2-0.4 and 0.2-0.4 mg/mL, respectively, and for S. aureus ATCC 25923 of 0.1, 0.2 and 0.1 mg/mL, respectively.
PMID: 15882206
(My interpretation: helps with a resistant staph aureus.)
alpha-Mangostin, isolated from the stem bark of Garcinia mangostana L., was found to be active against
vancomycin resistant Enterococci (VRE)
and methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA),
with MIC values of 6.25 and 6.25 to 12.5 microg/ml, respectively. Our studies showed synergism between alpha-mangostin and gentamicin (GM) against VRE, and alpha-mangostin and vancomycin hydrochloride (VCM) against MRSA.
Further studies showed partial synergism between alpha-mangostin and commercially available antibiotics such as ampicillin and minocycline. These findings suggested that alpha-mangostin alone or in combination with GM against VRE and in combination with VCM against MRSA might be useful in controlling VRE and MRSA infections.
PMID: 15830842
Can't process fats...as in gherlin drops?
More puzzle pieces falling into place...JOINT effort ;-D
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