Topic: Another Alternative Healing Protocol Debunked!
lymie tony z
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If some of you were around about a month ago and read about some mind zapping pathogen protocol.
The one that some guy named Dirk proposed and swore worked for him.
Here is my personal critique.
This so called cure for every known past or present pathogen that exists in our bodies since childhood is a hoax.
I called in yesterday and listened to the goobledygook...listened to my cd and just guess what I discovered...
This guy Gary is attempting to cure pathogens by reprogramming the minds ability to bolster our own immune systems by a code and a prayer.
In his lengthly dissertation on the phone I noticed that first...he claimed 90 percent cure rate. In the middle of his shpeal he said 50percent...
Then towards the end he states and I quote "some of you will never be cured no matter what protocol you use"...
OK so I listened to my guitar tape after putting up with the "secret code activator" recited by his cohort!(partner in fraud).
What I deduced is at best this guy's LAME attempt at SUBLIMINAL POST HYPNOTIC SUGGESTION!
Yep...that's all you get folks...and it may not even help in a placebo way...because if you do FEEL better...you won't get better but...
You may just get worse and die with a smile on your face.
His former patients don;t ask for refunds and don't come back I suspect cuz they're either TOO embarassed or dead.
NOT CURED OF ANYTHING!
But hey...don't take my word for it...and I don't want to hear from the doubters of my pursuit of alternative therapies ANY MORE!
This one was as bad as Phychic Healing....
By bringing a prayer(if you can call it that) into his mix(probably to lure GODLY folk into his web of deceit)...
He shall feel God's wrath...make no mistake about that... For a rich man can no easier enter the kingdom of God than a camel pass thru the eye of a needle.
AMEN BROTHER!
God have mercy on you Gary!
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Marnie
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There is a another DOCTOR, a noted one, who claims back pains can be cured by reducing stress.
TO A DEGREE, HE IS RIGHT. My back pains are a LOT worse when I am stressed. But being stress-less does not increase the size of my reduced disc between L4-5.
However, to clear a very serious infection using the "power of the mind"...solely...is irrational, IMO.
While I do believe our minds (and prayer) are indeed VERY, VERY powerful, it will take much more than "positive thinking" and talking with God to heal, but I DO believe they are PART of the healing process.
Yes, even music can be healing. This we know for fact. Listening to Mozart releases dopamine. We can even buy Mozart CD's for our kids and grandkids now to help their intellectual development (Einstein series).
Massage therapy (esp. Vodder lymph massage) helps...significantly. It doesn't cure, but it sure helps.
There is a BASIS to some rather peculiar treatments, like Edgar Cayce's warm castor oil packs.
We have lots of "tools" at our disposal to help us to heal. We need them ALL.
This is one very serious, very complex, disease.
Tony, if you think this guy is bad...were you around when people went to Italy for $20 grand to be given DNP by a doctor who had lost his U.S. MD license ? DNP is a powerful acid in a class with cyanide!
One of the reasons I stick around is to help by doing some research (saving you time) in order that you can evaluate whether or not some treatment is worth the bucks and the risks or not.
Ultimately whatever treatment plan you chose is, and should be, up to you.
I thought the following advertisement was great:
S-peak up. A-sk questions. F-ind the facts. E-valuate your choices. R-ead the label.
SAFER.
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TerryK
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Marnie - very well said!!
zman wrote: But hey...don't take my word for it...and I don't want to hear from the doubters of my pursuit of alternative therapies ANY MORE!
You can't expect to freely voice your opinion and then not allow others the same privilege. Even if it is the privilege of voicing their opinion about your opinion!! Terry
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Thanks for checking for everyone Tony, I'm afraid I wouldn't have had the patience to do that.
This guy claimed he was a pastor to bring in religious people.
The mind is a powerful thing, example? Breathing exercises do help with childbirth pain--they take your mind off it--but it won't eradicate the total pain no matter how fast you breathe!
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The sad thing is that we all could use some alternative form of treatment... obviously not this kind though.
Aside from the medical approach not working as well as we wish it would, they don't seem to want us to have even what it can do for us anymore. This has all gotten so crazy!
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lymeinhell
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He was on the Lymechat about 2 months ago hawking his wares and promising cures. We chased him out for the toad he was.
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lymie tony z
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Look Terry K,
what I meant was that folks here accuse me all the time of overgeneralization when it comes to alternative treatments....pronouncing they are ALL bad and ieffective.
I don't and I have tried Alternatives many times...if you notice at the bottom of my posts there is a disclaimer that states I only give advice based on my own experiences.
Marnie...I am well aware of inferiority of organ complex...this IS a medical theory of psychology first deduced by DR ADLER> a colleague of Freud.
I wrote a paper on it as a matter of fact....
I am aware of stress and it's affects on the immune system...I am aware of a lot of stuff....
some work and some do not....don't change my subject...OK!?
thank you.....
Furthermore and in closing for tonight!
Perhaps NONE of you get it....I am following an ALTERNATIVE PROTOCOL...it's DR B'S GUIDELINES or ILADS....
THey are NOT MAINASTREAM MEDICINE ya know....
And they ARE viewed as ALTERNATIVE PROTOCOLS....
I guess you all just never figured that out for yourselves.....
zman
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Perhaps NONE of you get it....I am following an ALTERNATIVE PROTOCOL...it's DR B'S GUIDELINES or ILADS....
THey are NOT MAINASTREAM MEDICINE ya know....
And they ARE viewed as ALTERNATIVE PROTOCOLS....
I guess you all just never figured that out for yourselves.....
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Tony...
You make me smile
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TerryK
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zman, No need to denigrate others. It really takes away from your message and makes you appear defensive AND disrespectful. Terry
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GiGi
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My friend returned from there recently. Free of cancer - an umbelievable journey.
[ 26. October 2006, 03:39 AM: Message edited by: GiGi ]
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lymie tony z
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OK TerryK I don't know how I belittled you or anyone else here on this thread...I started it to inform some of you not to waist your 125.00 money back guarantee.
Marnie, I did'nt read all your post before I reacted...yes I was around when an Italian doctor decided that ICHT was the hot protocol...it did'nt work either. This one really appealed to me cuz it made SOME sense as I was utilizing Extra Cellular Hyperthermia,anyway....
This bullseye rash that a lot of us don't get seems to signal any whacko out there that we are targets for hairbrained schemes to make money.
They have little or no scrouples...not unlike the IDSA CDC or our congress,house, or presidential administration of either party.
Yes we have to act on our own behalf most of the time...to answer a different post by run4fun...
It's a war out there folks...so arm yourselves with as much info as you can.... Cuz like tutu says.....knowledge is power!
zman
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So Tony did you get your 125.00 back? Posts: 374 | From NJ | Registered: Aug 2006
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lymie tony z
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Lady Lee,
What do I look like!? OK I should'nt ask that around here...I'll be sorry I did!...LOL
Anyway....I made a deal with the owner of this bogus protocol and he sent me the stuff free of charge!
(but I was'nt supposed to tell anyone! shhhh!)
Sorry CarolB I think she was the other one around here that was supposed to have signed up!
zman
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treepatrol
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I just went to the website and read this.
The medium Jo�o {{John of God or Jo�o de Deus,}}loses consciousness when he incorporates elevated spirit entities who then use his body to perform operations, treatments and cures of the physical and spiritual bodies. All who visit the centre may observe and participate in the proceedings.
Loses consciousness when he incorporates elavated spitir entities who yhen use his body to perform operations,
I never read anywhere in the bible where Jesus or apostle Paul or any prophet lost consciousness when doing miracles ever!!
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lymie tony z
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I agree with GIGI....it's umbelievable! LOL
Kindly don't change the subject of my thread!
zman
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Altho I do remember seeing your post about this and mentioning something to the fact of possibly getting it for free!
May I ask how long you did this program for?
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lymie tony z
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Actually I am still in the process....hehehee!
I'm not sure if I want to let this guy know what I think of him on the next phone conference or not!
I'll let you know.
The thing is one does'nt have to be on a program too too long to know it's BUNK.
One of the other things this guy mentioned is that the spirochetes drill themselves into the "white" parts of the body...bone,cartiledge,ligaments,tendons...and the antibiotics can't get the pathogens there....
This is not true...otherwise syphilis would never have been cured as it was the "great imitator" prior to BB. And so why do flouroquinalones make our tendons so sensative...????
Ya know!?
zman
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But I recall the point of this treatment was at least allow 3 months - LOL isn't that true?
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lymie tony z
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Actually Lee,
In his phone shpeal...we're supposed to call him back after listening to the guitar tape he provides for further encoding specifically for the individual according to symptoms.
We're supposed to get results the very next day.
Yes he does refer to a one step forward two steps back kind of response...
However that's probably to keep sucking folks in and taking their money.
I don't need to be sucked in cuz I'm not paying for it anyway...but I'm about ready to tell the folks on the line participating, what a fraud this guy is perpetrating on sick folks.
I probably won't get the chance if he monitors over here.
I did get an email from dirk...asking me how I figured all this out... Of course I suspect dirk of being gary or at least part of the scam...so I'm not about to let them in on my deduction process.....
Because it would aid them in restructuring or modifying their "protocol" or shpeal...to make it more believable...
They must think everybody with lyme is also stupid...
I did'nt follow Rev Jones and I would'nt have drank the coolaid either!
zman
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lymie tony z
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Just thought I would bump this up cuz I think it's important...
I also like seeing my name on the first board>>>
zman
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quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: I also like seeing my name on the first board>>>
zman
Yeah, that's what I thought!!!
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lymie tony z
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TUTU....
You should be busy reining and whipping that texas troll instead of buggin me!
Oh well I gues I deserved it...I did serve it up!
zman
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lymie tony z
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plop plop fizz fizz oh what a relief it is!
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Oh don't worry...I'll probably quit bumping it up tomorrow and just delete it!
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