char
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Hi,
My daughter has been diagnosed with a pre-diabetic condition.
Because she started Proamatin for POTS, we have not started her on the Glycophage prescribed by here LLMD.
She changed from Trazadone to something else, so we had been a tumultuous week that has dissapated to peace, thank goodness.
I am interested in experiences of others or advice about treating the pre-diabetes through diet and exercise.
She has been in bed for 2yrs. She is now getting over lightheadednes. Has lost 6lbs just with moving around the house.
Also her carb cravings are way down.
We actually did give one dose of the glycophage as llmd strongly advised to do so to head off type 2 diabetes.
Daughter had bad stomach discomfort for next 12hrs at least to point she begged to not take it again.
I am working on consistent healthy meals. It is hard with lyme fatigue, but I am getting better at it. I think she should be up for walks and other mild exercise soon.
dontlikeliver
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Char,
I don't have ideas, but I'll be watching with interest. I've been in the pre-diabetes category for at least 10 years and am due to have another GTT soon (which I hope will show I am still in PRE-diabetes stage).
I was going to make a post soon to ask if there were other Lymies on diabetes meds and lyme meds together and how that has been for them.
DLL
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As you know exercise makes the cells more receptive to insulin. The specific minerals needed include magnesium, chromium and vanadium. The last two are trace minerals and may or may not be found in some multivitamins. There are many specific vitamin/mineral combos available marketed for diabetics.
The other thing that can help greatly is the spice cinnamon. I think the suggested dose is 1/2 teaspoon daily. Or you can take 500mg capsules a couple of times daily.
If any of these things start working the patient may sweat profusely -- especially after high carbohydrate meals. That symptom should decrease over time.
I have elevated fasting insulin levels although my glucose levels are normal. This is common with polycycstic ovarian syndrome. There may be some hormonal connections with your daughter as well. I had hypoglycemia based on a 6 hour glucose tolerance test. That actually comes first before the elevated fasting glucose.
You can do some reading on syndrome X or insulin resistance. Besides eating healthy it may help to eat more frequently -- small frequent meals.
Bea Seibert
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Aniek
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Char,
This link might help. It's the American Diabetes Association page on preventing diabetes for people who are pre-diabetes.
You may also want to call ADA and see if they have resources, nutritional information, etc.
Type 2 diabetes is preventable. That's why she is pre-diabetes. Does your daughter understand the seriousness of diabetes? If not, you may want to start by educating her on what it means not to take the prevention steps.
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TerryK
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My alternative M.D. put me on glucophage years ago and I had terrible stomach pain and could not tolerate it more than a few days. I had reactive hypoglycemia at the time and my allopathic M.D. had a complete fit about the glucophage because she said it would cause lower blood sugars and they were already dangerously low at times. My alternative M.D. said it would help keep me from becoming diabetic. In the end, it didn't matter because I could not tolerate the glucophage and I know of others who cannot tolerate it as well. OTOH, I know of some who can.
Her stomach pain may not be as bad if she starts with a low dose and works her way up. Supposedly the stomach pain will get better once her body is use to the medication. I'm not a doctor, this is just what I've heard.
I saw another alternative doctor who very much apporoved of my low carb diet for warding off diabetes but I'm sure there is controversy about that. So far, 6 years on low carb and I went from reactive hypoglycemia to a non-insulin dependent diabetic. I believe the low carb diet helped a lot but it certainly did not stop me from becoming diabetic. OTOH - lot's of fruit and carbs that was the standard diabetic diet when I was taking care of my dad is not the answer either.
All of my siblings are diabetic and we all have lyme. I think getting lyme under control may keep your daughter from becoming diabetic. That also goes for those who have h.pylori infections (studies show that blood sugars are better controlled when h.pylori is treated) or any infection for that matter.
Infection and Inflammation contribute to insulin resistance. I cut and pasted from my research. For the links you'll have to go to the page, I give the link below:
Infection/Inflammation One study found a correlation between low grade infections and insulin resistance. Their conclusions: "Pathogen burden showed the strongest association with insulin resistance, especially with enteroviruses and C. pneumoniae seropositivity. We hypothesize that exposure to multiple pathogens could cause a chronic low-grade inflammation, resulting in insulin resistance." �Burden of Infection and Insulin Resistance in Healthy Middle-Aged Men -- Fern�ndez-Real et al. 29 (5): 1058 -- Diabetes Care
Another study states that some components of the insulin resistance syndrome have been related to inflammatory markers and that chronic sub-clinical inflammation is part of insulin resistance syndrome.42
Low Grade Chronic Inflammation in Women with Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome -- Kelly et al. 86 (6): 2453 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
Bea is right about exercise and minerals. Other minerals that affect insulin besides what she mentioned are magnesium and zinc (I'm cutting and pasting some of my research)
Magnesium is a mineral that is a catalyst in enzyme activity, especially of those enzymes used in energy production. Magnesium plays a role in carbohydrate metabolism and a deficiency can be synonymous with diabetes.9
How well the body metabolizes sugar is tightly linked to magnesium, making it essential to anyone with diabetes or insulin resistance. It is most helpful for type II diabetes or insulin resistance and somewhat helpful for type I diabetes.10
A review, designed to reach a better understanding of the mechanism involved in the correlation between magnesium and insulin resistance concluded that magnesium is required for both proper glucose utilization and insulin signaling and that metabolic alterations in cellular magnesium contribute to insulin resistance.12 A Public Health review notes that recent studies suggest a potential role for magnesium in preventing diabetes. 11
One article published in "Pediatrician" found that magnesium deficiency is the most evident disturbance of metal metabolism in diabetes. The article also states that there is evidence that the metabolism of magnesium and other trace elements is altered in insulin dependent diabetes mellitus and that these nutrients might have a specific role in the origin and development of diabetes.3
Zinc is a mineral that is involved in virtually all aspects of insulin metabolism. Increased urinary loss of zinc is a commonly encountered feature of diabetes.3
Supplementation has been shown to improve insulin levels in both type I and type II diabetes.4
Sleep disorders affect blood sugars considerably so if she has trouble sleeping it might be reasonable to check her for sleep apena (disrupts blood sugars terribly) and other sleep disorders. They occur in young people too.
I know I've responded to previous questions you've had about blood sugar and I'm not sure if I included this research or not so I'll include it again as some of these supplements might be helpful. I add things as I find them but I'm sure I've missed quite a few. I just keep adding.:-) Some studies show that DHEA prevents diabetes. http://www.webshopemporium.com/BloodSugarControl.htm
I tried cinnamon but it seemed to cause a re-bound affect with my blood sugars such that my blood sugars went whacky when it wore off. This may not apply to the majority of people or maybe you can schedule it like a med so that she gets 24 hour coverage?
I hope treatment for lyme and co-infections will keep her from becoming diabetic. Terry
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diabetes can easily be cured by diet and lifestyle in a period of weeks. that is what i have posted a video of. a dr who made a documentary showing diabetes cured by going on raw food for 30 days. this is a typical response. i have a friend who is diabetic and we are fixing her issues.
brett
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Marnie
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My elderly mom could not tolerate the oral (Rx) hypoglycemics (too many bathroom trips).
So...we tried Gluco Reg by Solaray.
It contains chromium and a lot of acids. This combination will RAISE THE pH.
It took about 3 months, but slowly and slowly her blood glucose level went down to normal levels.
She is "maintained" on it once a day.
She does not have lyme and does not watch her diet (loves Dove ice cream bars) nor does she exercise much at age 88. She has had cancer (cancer cells need sugar), but is in remission.
Gluco Reg is helping as is CoQ10 once a day which she also takes.
Both Mg and CHROMIUM are implicated in diabetes. If you search Mg alone i.e., put into a search engine "magnesium diabetes", you will get over 2000 websites to read.
Newborns NEVER need (acidic) insulin (shots). Think about that. It is not until age 2 that insulin dependent diabetes can happen if genetically triggered (recessive gene emerges?). Infants Mg levels are high. Their bones are much "softer"...to allow for moulding as they go thru the birth canal. These bones do not break easily.
It takes a LOT of energy to grow, to develop, to think, to "detox"...which is why the brain, the heart and the liver have LOTS of Mg-ATP in the mitochondria (powerhouses of the cells).
ATP is the "energy transporter". It is attached to Mg.
Constant bombardment by acidic insulin -> insulin "resistance".
Bb follows both the glycolysis (sugar for energy) AND cholesterol pathways.
Bb is "PFK dependent". Phosphofructokinase. This is the rate limiting enzyme for glycolysis. Insulin ACTIVATES it. Several things can INactivate it...citrates, hydrogen, H2O2 (but Bb is H2O2 resistant), etc.
When our astronauts return from earth, they are anemic AND the "oxidative stress" from being in space also impacts their PFK levels. This has been known for years (Skylab). So what are researchers doing...trying to figure out how to monitor and to deliver the right amt. of Mg.
Oxidative stress (too many free radicals) is "countered" by Mg...specifically by the enzymes Mg helps to make and control.
These enzymes(3 major) are:
Catalase (most abundant, comes from the liver, works in 1/400,00th of a second)
Glutathione Peroxidase
Superoxidase Dismutase
The latter helps to "destroy" the powerful, damaging superoxide free radical...
Bb, it appears, uses Mn and Zn to prevent being destroyed by NO and the superoxide free radical.
Stick with me...
"Salivary gland extract (SGE) from Ixodes ricinus ticks inhibited the killing of Borrelia afzelii spirochetes by murine macrophages.
SGE also
*reduced the production of two major defense molecules of phagocytes,
superoxide and nitric oxide.*"
Infect Immun. 2001 January; 69(1): 575-578.
These are our defenses. While we look to be producing a LOT of NO (nitric oxide), the superoxide defense system is kapoot.
Where there's a will, there's a way...
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Hippocrates never described a case of diabetes. The only country where actual statistics relating to diabetes and the consumption of sugar is Denmark. In 1880, the average Danish citizen consumed over 29 pounds of refined sugar annually. At that time, the recorded death rate from diabetes was 1.8 per 100,000. In 1911, consumption more than doubled to 82 pounds per person, and the death rate from diabetes rose to 8 per 100,000. In 1934, sugar consumption rose to 113 pounds per person and the death rate from diabetes rose to 18.9 per 100,000. Before World War II, Denmark has a higher conscumption of sugar than any other European country. It is interesting that one out of five people in Demark also have cancer. In Sweden, annual consumption per person of refined sugar rose from 12 pounds in 1880 to over 120 pounds per person in 1929. One out of six people in Sweden has cancer. The conclusion is inescapable: as refined sugar consumption increases, the incidence of fatal disease increases to match it. Insulin Market as a Financial Windfall
The discovery of synthetically produced insulin meant that the pharmaceutical industry had another financial windfall, and the surge in refined sugar production in the United States in the 1920's ensured that the profit would escalate dramatically. Taking too little or too much insulin can cause insulin shock. In 1924, low levels of glucose in the blood were declared to be a symptom of excessive insulin. Dr. Seale Harris of the University of Alabama began to notice symptoms of insulin shock in many people who were neither diabetic not taking any insulin. These people were diagnosed as having low levels of glucose in their blood (diabetics have high levels of glucose). Dr. Harris pointed out that the cure for low blood glucose was self-government of the body by giving up refined sugar, candy, coffee and soft drinks. Needless to say, neither the medical establishment nor the food industry was amused by this fact, because patients with hyperinsulin situations could never be made to be dependent on the medical system when they could take care of the problem themselves by watching their diet.
Furthermore, in 1929, Dr.Frederick Banting, the discoverer of insulin, informed the medical establishment that the way to prevent diabetes was to cut down on "dangerous" consumption levels of sugar.
There is sufficient evidence that the introduction of externally applied insulin by the medical establishment really exacerbates the problem in that it really does not seem to solve anything. A case in point is England, where the deaths because of diabetes in 1925 were 112 million people. After the introduction of insulin shots in 1925, deaths rose to 115 million in 1926, and have continued to rise: 131 million in 1928, 142 million in 1929, and 145 million in 1931.
In the 1930's researchers in the United States discovered that Chinese and Japanese who take rice (natural, not polished) as their principle food had very little diabetes. They also noticed that Jews and Italians had a high incidence of diabetes, as their sugar intake was correspondingly higher. Other statistics in the United States show that the outbreak of diabetes dropped sharply during World War I when sugar was rationed (except it was not rationed to the soldiers who were doomed anyway and the military incidence of diabetes went up).
Refined sugar was introduced to Japan after the U.S. Civil War, and the Japanese used it as a medicine. By 1906, 45,000 acres of sugar cane were cultivated in Japan. As the Japanese consumed more sugar, the onset of "western" diseases increased.
When we eat, the process of digestion coverts food into glucose, which is carried in the blood to the pancreas, where the increased blood glucose level stimulates the production of insulin to balance the glucose level. The insulin is carried in the blood to the liver, where excess glucose is coverted to glycogen, which is then stored in the liver. A decrease in blood glucose, on the other hand, stimulates secretion of cortical hormones in the adrenal gland and hormones in the pituitary gland (ACTH) which raise the blood glucose level by converting some of the stored glycogen in the liver to glucose. In a healthy bodt, the blood glucose level is maintained by the interplat of insulin, cortical hormones, and ACTH. Sugar Overstimulates the Pancreas and Can Create Diabetes
Consumption of refined sugar products (as well as honey and fruits) overstimulates the pancreas, causing over-production of insulin, coverting too much glucose into glycogen, depressing the blood glucose level and producing a condition of hyperinsulinism, or hypoglycemia. As the pancreas tires of producing insulin to counteract the consumption of sugar, the blood sugar begins to rise significantly. When the insulin supply becomes inadequate in this manner, the liver cannot effectively convert excess glucose to glycogen. This condition is known as diabetes.
The fact that the recommendation exists in the medical community for a diabetic to consume glucose tablets or sugar cubes when they feel an incident of insulin shock coming on is incredible and counter to established scientific data on the physiological operation of the human body, yet the public mutely accepts this in a blind trust of those "who know better than we do". Mass media commercials continually create the atmosphere that the public is a collective bunch of imbeciles, and one that suggests that the medical community and the pharmaceutical companies only care about the welfare of the public. The Department of Health, Education and Welfare should be renamed for what it really stands for, based on its activity and accomplishments over the years: The Department of Disease Production, Mind Control of the Young and Sociological Dependency.
In 1960, Japanese doctor Nyoiti Sakurazawa noted, "no Western doctor can cure diabetes, even thirty years after the discovery of insulin. Physicians have continued to recommend insulin, condemning diabetics to walk with an insulin crutch for the rest of their lives, yet on the 25th anniversary of the discovery of insulin, the inefficiency of insulin as a treatment or cure for diabetes was publicly admitted. In the meantime, millions of diabetics have paid millions of dollars for this ineffective remedy. The number of diabetics is increasing every day. Once they begin taking insulin, they can expect to feed the pockets of the doctors and pharmaceutical corporations as long as they live."
In 1964, Sakurazawa said, "I am confident that Western medicine will admit what has been known in the Orient for years: sugar is without question the number one murderer in the history of humanity - much more lethal than opium or radioactive fallout. Sugar is the greatest evil that modern industrial civilization has visited upon the countries of the Far East and Africa (genocide)...foolish people who give or sell candy to babies will one day, to their horror, that they have much to answer for." Sugar Trafficking Was the First Drug Trafficking
In 1991, according to the 1993 World Almanac and Book of Facts, the United States exported $12.1 million dollars of sugar and imported $713 million dollars worth of sugar, much to the delight of the medical and pharmaceutical industries, and the detriment of the population. Increased sugar consumption and the resulting symptoms of hypoglycaemia have also contributed toward an increasing number of accidents on the highways of the world - the carnage continues. Consult the composite chronology in on this web site to research how sugar as a population modifying drug has been historically handled, and by whom. It is some of the same people who later were involved in opium trafficking and today traffic in heroin and cocaine worldwide. Get it yet? [1]
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From World War I to the Vietnam era, physical examinations of draftees points to a steady increase of diabetes among teenagers and the population in general. Diabetes is the leading cause of blindness, as well as a major contributor to disability and death from disease of the kidney and the heart. The current estimate of those with diabetes in the United States is more than twenty million people. The number of people suffering from pre-diabetic symptoms, hypoglycemia (low blood glucose, very often the precursor of full diabetes) is estimated to be over 100 million people the number is going up each day because of the criminal practices of the American food industry and the spineless government beseiged with payoffs and constant lobbying for increased profits. US Dept of Health and Human Welfare Ignores Neurological Symptomology
According to a September 1973 letter from the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (an organization that exists, like others, to ensure the exact opposite), unpublished data shows that out of 134,000 people interviewed in 1973, 66,000 (49.2%) reported the symptoms of hyperglycemia (sweating, shakiness, trembling, anxiety, rapid heartbeat, headache, weakness, and occasionally seizures and coma). According to the Journal of the American Medican Association in 1973, "the majority of people with these symptoms do not have hypoglycemia". The fact they they do not state what they have is significant, yet they cannot claim to know unless they really know what is happening and they are not telling anyone.
Since the HEW study remains unpublished the AMA can claim not to know about it, and say that the claims of widespread hypoglycemia in the United States are "not supported by medical evidence", since the HEW study reported statistical epidemiological evidence. The patients reported the evidence, not the doctors. Therefore, it is not "medical" evidence.
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Char, good luck..I am sure that Lyme caused my daughter's juvenile diabetes..She started out being hypoglycemic. Think it is a warning sign.
MOst meds affect blood sugars and high blood sugars can fuel the depression, etc. It is a vicious circle.
Do a search for posts by Lyddie in the top search feature. It should have tons of info if it is still accessible..lymemomtooo
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