People who are considered at high risk by the CDC include children ages 6 months to 5 years, pregnant women, people 50 and older, people with chronic medical conditions like diabetes or Lyme disease, and people who live in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities.
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map1131
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I'm leary of everything the CDC recommends. The idea of a flu shot for me has made me very uneasy. I've learned to listen to my inner voice.
Pam
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After reading to what they did to us as kids,giving us the polio vaccine,that wrecks are immune system.I try to take no shots,high doses of vitamin c seems to help me.
VACCINES: POLIO: SV-40 CONTAMINATION OF POLIO VIRUS VACCINE
Dr. John Martin Center for Complex Infectious Diseases
SV-40 is a small double stranded, circular DNA virus of rhesus monkey origin. It is closely related to JC and BK viruses of human origin. While BK virus may not cause human disease, JC virus can cause a very severe brain illness in HIV infected patients, that is called progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy or PML. SV-40 is also distantly related to human papillomaviruses, some of which cause cervical cancers.
SV-40 infection is now widespread within the human population almost certainly as a result of polio vaccine produced in rhesus monkey kidney cells during the 1950s. A recent study showed infection in 23% of blood samples from normal individuals. The virus can also be detected in sperm fluid and is likely to be passed congenitally to future generations (Martini et al. SV40 Early Region and Large T Antigen in Human Brain Tumors, Peripheral Blood Cells, and Sperm Fluids from Healthy Individuals. Cancer Research 56: 4820-4825, 1996). As the title indicates this paper also confirms previous reports that SV-40 is present in a significant proportion of human brain tumors. Other reports have shown SV-40 in human brain tumors, e.g. Bergsagel et al. New England Journal of Medicine 326: 988-993, 1992. SV-40 has also been detected in a high proportion of human mesotheliomas (Carbone et al. Oncogene 9: 1781-1790, 1994); and in bone tumors called osteogenic sarcomas (Carbone et al. Oncogene 1996). FDA has been reluctant to act on reports of SV-40 but will have to respond to forthcoming publications in the "New Yorker" and "Money" magazines.
SV-40 contamination was detected in the rhesus monkey kidney cells used to make polio vaccine as early as 1960. A Federal employee, Dr. Bernice Eddy, decided on her own inititive, to test extracts from the monkey kidney cells used to make poliovaccine for possible cancer causing agents. She chose to use newborn hamsters since these animals developed tumors with a type of virus she and Sarah Stewart had discovered in mice and named polyoma virus. The inoculated hamsters developed tumors similar to those induced with polyoma virus. The results of Dr. Eddy's unauthorized testing was meet with the same scorn and indifference as her earlier warings that some of the initial lots of Salk vaccine retained live poliovirus. Again, frustrated by the unwillingness of her supervisors to act on her tumor findings, Dr. Eddy went around channels and disclosed her results in a 1990 scientific meeting. Her punishment was to be taken off polio vaccine safety testing and prohibited for over a year from submitting her work for publication. Dr. Eddy's findings did however leak out and were replicated by Drs. Sweet and Hilleman at Merck. Initially, Hilleman thought the SV-40 problem would apply mainly to the live polio vaccines developed by Dr. Sabin and used extensively in the Soviet Union. He even suggested that the Russians would be no threat at the upcoming 1962 Olympics because they would be dragging with tumors (The Health Century, by Edward Shorter). Unfortunately, it was soon realized that the polio vaccine developed by Dr. Salk was the more dangerous because the 1:4,000 dilution of formaldehyde, which barely inactivated the polio virus, did not fully inactivate SV-40. Because the Salk vaccine was injected through the skin, it allowed the SV-40 a better chance to infect.
To his credit, Dr. Hilleman repeatedly sounded warnings about the risks inherent in the use of monkey tissue for vaccine production. For example, he has made the following comments " ...use of tissues of wild-caught animals is just asking for trouble because of the lack of control and the known high proability for viral contamination. Monkeys are too expensive to be grown in specific pathogen-free colonies and, hence, the simple solution to the monkey problem is to eliminate the monkey" and also "The tissues of wild-caught animals, and certainly monkeys, are commonly infected with wild viruses. The simplest way to solve the monkey problem is to eliminate the monkeys and this is being done using diploid cells. Monkey tissues came into use by historic decisions to use monkey kidney to make poliovaccine. There is no need to continue using monkeys when acceptible alternatives are available." This advice was never taken especially in the face of pressure from Lederle/American Cyanamid to continue to use monkeys.
The main result of finding SV-40 virus in rhesus monkeys was simply to switch poliovaccine production to African green monkeys. Existing stocks of SV-40 polio vaccines were not withdrawn from the market, nor was any effort made to suspend the military's use of adenoviral vaccines, also known to contain SV-40. Short termed follow studies on some of the children exposed to SV-40, to see if brain tumors had developed, satisfied those in charge of Public Safety, that no harm had been done.
Since the hamster tumor model required virus exposure to newborn animals, Public Health officials should have predicted the need to maintain surveillance for the subsequent human generation. Now that evidence is accumulating that a problem exists, the continued reluctance of FDA to respond is, to say the least, disappointing.
The overall story with SV-40 is being replicated with the resistance of FDA and of Industry to meaningfully address the question of other monkey viruses having been transmitted to humans through polio vaccines. While the African green monkey is generally free of SV-40 virus, it does carry a number of viruses, including simian cytomegalovitrus (SCMV). As an aside, rhesus and not African green monkeys are used for testing the virulence of live polio vaccines, because even the control African green monkeys often show evidence of neural infection.
In an effort to underscore, the need for a more responsive FDA, samples of a 1954 polio vaccine, held by Dr. Ratner, a Public Health official whose concerns about poliovaccine safety had been largely ignored, have been sent to investigators studying SV-40 to show how easy it is to detect contaminants using the PCR assay. This assays was not available in the 1950s, but now that it is, there is no excuse for not using it on polio and other vaccines to exclude contaminants including SCMV and related stealth viruses. A copy of Dr. Carbone's latest paper will be posted shortly. Additional information can also be found in the Handouts under Publications and Presentation section.
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hahahaha! That is too funny! First they deny chronic lyme then they say people with chronic lyme should get the almighty flu shot.
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yeah, right. i had a flu shot last year and was sicker than a dog for over 3 bloody weeks.
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See! People with Chronic Lyme don't exist but make sure "the army of ghosts" all get their 'flu shot!!
Just what I have always thouhgt: the CDC (and the IDSA and other individuals in such positions) are too pathetically incoherent and incompetent to be part of any master plan. They're just dumb, sheep-like and defensive. Doesn't make them any less dangerous unfortunately
Nelly
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Do they guarantee us that they're Thimerosol free?
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CDC....recommends....chroniclyme...
enough said.
I'll pass.
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I'll "consider" the flu shot, but if,and only if, after i first give them a combination-all-in-one vaccine comprising the new, upcoming, baxter lyme vaccine(a series of shots?) and with all of the hepatitis vaccines(b to z)thrown-in, for "good measure."
for then, and only then, if after 5 years, they are doing well, and are not disabled, will i consider teh cdc's recommendation. note, i said. "i'll "consider getting the flu shot" " i didn't say i would take it.
afterall, we do "need" to maintain teh health of the "best," and the "brightest" so that they can write themselves what, too often, amount to middle class welfare checks in the form of grants, and patents for "medicinally" worthless, crippling,deadly products. now don't we.
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I'm sorry to disagree w/all the naysayers, but I've been getting flu shots yearly for a number of years w/o any deleterious effects. I have had asthma/reactive airway disease for years before I got Lyme, and can't take the risk of having worse problems breathing than I already had by compounding my problems w/the flu.
In addition, when I was diagnosed w/Lyme, I asked my LLNP for her advice on getting a flu shot, and she said to do so, so I did last year and again this year.
I think one has to consider all aspects of one's health. If you don't have underlying respiratory problems, then maybe you don't need it. But for me, I'll continue to protect myself in any manner I think will help.
Just as many in traditional medicine are closed minded about naturopathic/homeopathic therapies, so are some people about traditional medicine. I'm a former clinical pharmacist, but I keep an open mind about both. I just want to get well, and so far I'm getting much better subscribing to both methods.
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quote:Originally posted by luvs2ride: hahahaha! That is too funny! First they deny chronic lyme then they say people with chronic lyme should get the almighty flu shot.
I pass.
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My body hasn't made antibodies for over 30 years, so I don't see that any type of vaccine is going to do me a bit of good!
I know this because prior to becoming pregnant the first time, and after my first two children were born I had the rubella vaccination, since I hadn't had rubella as a child.
Then before each subsequent pregnancy the docs would run a titer which always showed no immunity.
By the time it was baby number 3, my doc (one of a handful of wise ones) said forget it, it's obviously not making a difference!
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cdc probaly putting something in the flu shots hidden agenda testing something? nothing would surprize me anymore. Iam gona go get my one dose of doxy and get cured now.
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I think flu shots are a further risk to our already fragile health and should be avoided. Look at the ingredients and you will find mercury and/or thiomerosal (which contains mercury). I have not found any LLMDs that recommend getting it. Has anyone?
As for chronic Lyme, it does not exist when they can use it to take something away from us like insurance or treatment options, but it does exist when it is convenient. It's the best of both worlds.
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psano; I too will HAVE a flu shot for 2nd year in a row since I'm a diabetes 2 patient as well.
3 yrs. ago I almost died since I couldn't breath and 24/7 coughing spells that just wouldn't quit. Hubby/I were terrified of what I went thru. No more like that.
I've had NO problems with them. Yes, we do have to weigh in all the factors.
If I get really sick and die, I'll be added to Melanie Reber's obituary memorial project. Bettyg
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Sorry guys, but I wouldn't go quoting this at the next Lyme rally just yet. I have a feeling that the reporter may have added the phrase "like diabetes or Lyme disease."
On the CDC's website, it says,
quote:People who should get vaccinated each year are:
People at high risk for complications from the flu, including:
Children aged 6 months until their 5th birthday, Pregnant women,
People 50 years of age and older, and
People of any age with certain chronic medical conditions;
People who live in nursing homes and other long term care facilities.
They don't mention any chronic conditions by name. I am thinking that a reporter from a Danville, PA paper didn't try to call up a CDC official and get a quote. He just looked up the info on the Internet and added his own examples of chronic diseases.
I think what you have is a reporter who knows that Lyme can be serious business, not a CDC official who would dare go public and admit the same.
Regards, Shaz
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My LLMD has recommended against the flu shot. The shot is only fighting the best guess the CDC has for which flu will be prevalent this year. And we all know how much we trust the CDC. haha Also, he feels that we have compromised immune systems, and he worries about the possible reaction. Instead of the flu shot, he recommends building immune system through diet, etc etc
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quote:Originally posted by shazdancer: Sorry guys, but I wouldn't go quoting this at the next Lyme rally just yet. I have a feeling that the reporter may have added the phrase "like diabetes or Lyme disease."
I wondered about that. Just didn't sound like something the CDC would say.
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CDC is in big pharma's pocket in the way your congressmen and senators are in everybody's (except us) pocket. They've been bought off. When CDC ask's you to buy something from big pharma, their opinion is worse than worthless.
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