Topic: Can you suggest a high quality Mineral supplement? Goji Juice???
robi
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What is a good minral supplement? This is a missing part of my regime and I thik it is important. Not doing great at the moment. Thanks in advance for replies as I may not be able to reply in a timely fashion.
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IF your potassium level is okay...
Run "Alka Max" by Trimedica past your doctor. (Get his/her okay). Look closely at what it contains.
Gluco Reg by Solaray (chromium + acids) may help too.
Drink Pure Life water by Nestle. Avail. at Wally mart. Again...read the fine print. (I am at the point where a magnifier is helpful ;-(
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I don't have a specific recommendation but I just saw an ND last week who said to be sure that you get a mineral that is not contaminated with heavy metals.
I haven't looked into it yet but I assume there is a problem with some minerals from what she said. Terry
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GiGi
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Absorbable minerals are difficult to find. We for the time being settled for Designs for Health "Complete Mineral Complex" made with the Albion process.
We add Kefir...............with the Whey, one of the best absorbable minerals.
We ad Whey Cool from Designs for Health - also a great mineral contributor.
Add Rechtsregulat or similar enzyme contributors.
Our food does not contain nearly the minerals it did many years ago. I think it is wiser to spend your money on mineral supplements rather than on vitamins, if you have to choose. Without minerals in balance, nothing, simply nothing works right. You cannot detox anything. If you have ever done a hair analysis, if the results are that the minerals are showing deficient by general standards, you will not see any toxic metals coming out via the hair. They are staying in your body. If the minerals show up balanced, you will also find toxic minerals coming out via your hair.
I would not play with alkalizing stuff. Your body only can detox heavy metals, which all of us have in the body and accumulate daily, when the body is in an acidic state. I.e. metals go into sulution only in an acidic condition. So you may be doing more damage by forcing the body into an alkaline condition. Do it by balancing with several good mineral products. And drink whey!
Read "managing your pH" on www.healthydetox.org to get a better understanding of what happens in our body - if it is detoxing (which it should be doing all the time).
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robi
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Thanks Marnie and Gigi ....... you are both invaluable resources with great info. I wil check it all out.
Does anyone know about goji providing absorbable minerals??
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Robi,
(from memory.....!) Goji is high in antioxidants (ORAC rating), and has super high beta carotene, a natural vit. A, and vit. C.
I do not recall any reputation for minerals, but as a fruit, I would think there would be some. Best bet is to google "nutritional content goji".
I loved them, but they did not love me. I would use the berries as a snack, 1/4 c. a day. Caused pelvic burning. ND tested it as not right for me.
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Check out Intra Max...totally organic, not just minerals...vits, herbs, etc...patented detox agent...info on line. I took it all summer, and although I had heavy symptoms, I did feel more energy,better attitude, better sleep, etc. Went off while I did CSM and now I'm taking it again a couple hours before major abx...do feel different and ask myself...is it the abx working or the vitamins? Anyway...cant hurt to check it out! run
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These are the mineral supplements that were recommended by my doctor and seem to be working for me.
Active Ionic Morning Star Minerals70 Trace Minerals Relax (Nutramedix)
I use either Active Ionic or the MorningStar Minerals with the Trace Minerals Relax.
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GiGi
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See you added the Goji question in your post. I get a creepy feeling when I hear Amway and this sounds a lot like it.
I did purchase one case - it's gone in a flash. Trying to get the nutrient content is difficult. But I turn off on the juice being a product of the USA, reconstituted berries, with added grape juice, apple juice and some other and puree etc. I am leery of anything reconstituted because of the water quality.
Decided to try one pound of organic Goji berries that are lovely to snack, soak and put into blender drinks. At least that way we benefit from the fiber also. 1st Chinese Herbals have it in different forms (Buhner book for phone).
I had it ART tested yesterday: The berries test more positive than the juice containing all the other juices. But neithe one put the house on fire. Still have been unable to figure out how much actually of pure Goji is in the one-liter bottle of Goji juice! Reading the info on the bottle is a lost cause. Also for that price I would prefer a glass bottle at least.
Thanks for the other minerals mentioned by Serend. I will check them out.
Take care.
Take care.
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Standardized Goji juice is fantastic! My whole family can take it for less than what I used to
pay for 1 month supply of Biaxin. Nothing has worked for me as this ...I am a 13 year
Lymie...Was not ever going to mention Goji...because of all the flack people give when
anything other the abx are mentioned...Do your research..the 4 polyssacahrids are the key to
this. I have no problem with "not" helping the drug companies become richer and more powerful.
You can spend alot of $ on dried berries that you have no way of knowing the polysaccharide content and you NEED all 4 in balance.
GiGi I'm suprised you forgot the amount of berries used in the standardized Goji..I e-mailed to you.
To refresh here goes.. One liter of Standardized Juice contains the polysaccharides equivalent of 2.2 pounds of fresh goji berries. As an alternative, we suppose that one could simply eat dried goji berries. However, our research indicates that the quality of commercially-available dehydrated berries can vary tremendously, and there's also a high probability that the polysaccharides in dried berries may have oxidized and degraded. We will not offer dried goji berries until it can be scientifically proven that they can deliver a consistent health benefit.
Standardized Goji Juice is cold-filled into costly, plasticizer-free pharmaceutical-grade bottles. This provides superior protection as compared to glass with no possibility of 'leaching'.
Also, the berries grow high in the western mountains of China.
Hey, give the USA a bit of credit...we didn't become the most powerful nation on earth by accident!
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Marnie
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Gi Gi...the body IS in metabolic acidosis in lyme.
Cancer ONLY happens in an on-going acidic environment. Our NK cells ONLY work when the body is in its healthy slightly alkaline state. THEN they "squirt" the precancerous cells with an acid.
Minerals in nature are never found "by themselves". Positive charges are locked onto negative ones. Balanced.
Minerals and sugars have positive charges. Many things have negative charges...proteins, enzymes, hormones, antibodies, amino acids, vitamins...
Take for example an apple.
"An apple a day keeps the doctor away."
Why?
It is balanced, "electromagnetically". Some natural sugar, some natural acid. + charge and - charge(s).
Instant hydrogen. Raise the pH. The body doesn't have to work as hard (kidneys).
Eat a protein...acidic. The body has to find some mineral or sugar to counter. Eat sugar ( very alkaline) and zoom...acidic insulin triggered to counter. When the blood pH is improved, another acid, glucagon, is released from other pancreatic cells to "downregulate" insulin.
Glucagon is the ONLY thing that can INactivate PFK 1 AND PFK 2.
To avoid an insulin ( also acidic) SPIKE, eat a protein before gobbling down that piece of chocolate cake.
This is why dessert is "last"...or too often first in my household ;-)
Vitamin E + selenium. Mercola says vit E with meals.
E is acidic. Selenium is not "alone" as a positive charge. It comes as L-selenomethionine.
That's what it says in fine print (darn) on the back of my selenium bottle from NOW (brand).
Garlic contains selenium. Wanna discuss the numerous benefits of a Mediterranean diet?
This does get somewhat tricky because in order to digest food, our stomach HAS to be acidic...VERY. So timing of supplements that increase the pH too close to a meal may impact our ability to digest (properly) food.
Some people believe we should not drink liquids with meals because they dilute the stomach acids needed to breakdown the foods. Personally, I'd find that hard to do.
To an extent we can use our skin (our largest organ) to raise the pH by soaking in Epsom salt and baking soda baths to get around that problem to a degree.
Mineral baths/going to splash around in the ocean would be helpful.
It takes a LOT of acids to completely dissolve a mineral.
I found out the hard way yesterday.
I spilled IODINE all over my bathroom...enamel sink (not impacted), Silestone counter (impacted, surprising), cherry cabinets, tile floor, (out of production) porous wallpaper and rug.
I freaked. I first grabbed Kleenex to soak up excess. Then grabbed H2O2 (weak acid) to no avail. I yelled for my son to bring me Oxyclean and Clorax. Meanwhile, I grabbed alcohol. That didn't work. Then, using the other sink (2 sinks in our master bath), I made a fast solution with 4 scoops of Oxyclean...which helped a LOT and finally I carefully used a weak Clorax solution which finished the job. Surprisingly, the Clorax did NOT "lighten" my wallpaper...nor did the other things.
I also spilled the iodine on my slate blue rug. Cotton rug. I thought it was "lost". But...I immediately put it in the washer with water and added Oxyclean...lots... and let it soak for a few hours (occasionally "stirring" it). Then I ran it thru the cycle and the iodine had come out to my amazement.
Lessons I learned. Be really really careful when opening iodine bottles and it takes a LOT of "acidic" things to totally dissolve a mineral.
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GiGi
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Also look at the BTM test. It will give you a great inside into "your body".
Take care.
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GiGi
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Marnie, the body was in metabolic acidosis in most patients l o n g b e f o r e the Lyme bug and accompanying microbes took a permanent hold.
I think we need to stop putting the cart before the horse, then we might have a chance.
Only a toxic body gets that sick and permanent acidosis is bad.
Therefore, clean up the body. That's what I did --- for five long years. I am now, presently, always on the alert to keep my body from accumulating the steadily circling toxins around us. I never stop paying attention to this part of my life. It is pretty darn hard when you have nothing but fluoridated water that is bent on crippling the pineal gland ...... add another toxin, and another toxin .......
Warning: magnesium is not the cure-all. Baking soda is not the cure-all. Epsom baths are not the cure-all. Taking baking soda on an ongoing basis is not a good idea.
Look into the Trace Elements test - it is a hair test that is quite revealing as to your mineral status. Find a practitioner who can interpret it if you can't. It's a given that if you are missing a couple of the nutritional elements, detoxing any toxin is a problem. Your body will just hang onto it.
Clean up your body with all that you can find that works for you.
Take care.
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ConnieMc
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quote:Originally posted by MaryMi: Standardized Goji juice is fantastic! My whole family can take it for less than what I used to
pay for 1 month supply of Biaxin. Nothing has worked for me as this ...I am a 13 year
Lymie...Was not ever going to mention Goji...because of all the flack people give when
anything other the abx are mentioned...Do your research..the 4 polyssacahrids are the key to
this. I have no problem with "not" helping the drug companies become richer and more powerful.
You can spend alot of $ on dried berries that you have no way of knowing the polysaccharide content and you NEED all 4 in balance.
GiGi I'm suprised you forgot the amount of berries used in the standardized Goji..I e-mailed to you.
To refresh here goes.. One liter of Standardized Juice contains the polysaccharides equivalent of 2.2 pounds of fresh goji berries. As an alternative, we suppose that one could simply eat dried goji berries. However, our research indicates that the quality of commercially-available dehydrated berries can vary tremendously, and there's also a high probability that the polysaccharides in dried berries may have oxidized and degraded. We will not offer dried goji berries until it can be scientifically proven that they can deliver a consistent health benefit.
Standardized Goji Juice is cold-filled into costly, plasticizer-free pharmaceutical-grade bottles. This provides superior protection as compared to glass with no possibility of 'leaching'.
Also, the berries grow high in the western mountains of China.
Hey, give the USA a bit of credit...we didn't become the most powerful nation on earth by accident!
Research is the key!
Mary
Mary , what is your source for standardized goji juice? I have been researching this and cannot come to a conclusion on what is the best product for the money.
THank you...
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GiGi, If metals need an acidic environment to leave the body, none of us should have any metals left
other than those with amalgam fillings. One thing ALL diseases have in common is acidic
blood. Our body cannot be in complete homeostasis if it is acidic.
Homeostasis & Disease.
In his book, Human Health & Homeostasis Body Balance: Measuring and Mapping the Steady State, the late Dr. Emanuel Cheraskin pointed out that "conventional medical approach identifies, classifies, then treats disease...by then it is too late: the patient is sick. By strengthening the body's intricate systems and keeping them in balance, many--if not most--diseases can be avoided altogether." (3)
"Some viruses, bacteria, fungi, and parasites are examples of...pathogens causing disease. Other factors...include heredity, exposure to poisonous (toxic) substances, poor nutrition, organ failure or malfunction, and poor personal behavior and choices. Smoking, obesity, and over consumption of alcoholic beverages would be a few examples of poor personal choices which may have immediate or long term consequences for our health." (4)
In summary, disease is a "disturbance of homeostasis or steady state within an organism. Additionally, homeostatis "is constantly threatened," and failing "to respond effectively can result in disease or death." (5)
Homeostasis & Communication.
Believe it or not, your body is designed to operate efficiently by means of a sophisticated cellular communications system relying on hormones, neuotransmitters and enzymes.
Years of scientific research brought to the forefront that cellular communication is necessary for the body to function properly, keeping you in a state of optimal health (homeostasis). This vital research has shown that the end result of insufficient cellular communication is inferior health (disease) which could ultimately result in death.
"Communication between organs and organ systems is vital. Communication allows the body to adjust the function of each organ according to the needs of the whole body. The heart must know when the body is resting so that it can slow down and when organs need more blood so that it can speed up. The kidneys must know when the body has too much fluid so that they can produce more dilute urine and when the body is dehydrated so that they can conserve water.
"Through communication, the body keeps itself in balance--a concept called homeostasis. Through homeostasis, organs neither underwork nor overwork, and each organ facilitates the functions of every other organ"
Mary
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GiGi
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Mary,
Mercury goes into solution, dissolves, only in an acidic environment. That's why I posted the ph management site from Dr. Timothy Ray. I am talking about the process of actual heavy metal detoxification. Read the pH Management article from Timothy Ray who is the brain behind NDF, BTM, etc. I posted the link above.
If the body matrix is toxic which eventually causes the organs to be overburdened, they are unable to communicate. The liver, the kidneys are under stress. The skin is under stress. The organs cannot perform satisfactorily as they do when they are healthy.
Heavy metals, mercury, dissolve in an acidic environment. That is why when taking NDF or other such meds for detox it is taken with distilled which contain no minerals, which is acidic.and switch back to more alkaline water afterward. If you have amalgams, the mercury will go into solution in an acidic environment. That does not mean that they are then out of the body. They are merely being mobilized and if you are lucky and still healthy enough, they will move out via stool, urine, skin, etc. But usually they do not unless they are helped, transported along with the proper agents, chlorella being one of them, to leave the body.
When the body is detoxing, the urine represents what we are eliminating. The saliva represents what we are keeping.
The urine does not accurately represent the state of the body; rather it represents what we are eliminating - hopefully acidic wastes.
The first morning saliva ph tells us the state of the body; the condition of the tissue, lymph, interstitial fluids and the blood (all parts of the matrix, not inside cells, not intracellular state). If it the acidic toxins are leaving the body, the urine pH is acidic, about 5.8 to 6.0.
Read ``The ph Management of Heavy Metal Detox'' ( even if you optimistically and erroneously think you are totally metalfree - I posted the link above). And possibly you will understand.
Mary, Toxic and overloaded organs no longer are effectively communicating - when they are stressed out. Your last post is a great statement, assuming that all is okay and healthy in the body. Sadly, it is not with most Lyme afflicted.
I will recite here what Dr. K.'s theory is and what the microbial ecosystem looks like. In other words, what a Lymie's ecosystem - body - looks like:
Microbes (lyme bugs, viruses, parasites, fungi, mold, worms) set up their housekeeping in the matrix in areas which have become toxic.
These areas are not patrolled by the cells of the immune system who are equally vulnerable to toxic substances as other healthy cells of the organism are.
Many microbes (Lyme bacteria, and all the many, many others) have learned to live and flourish in the presence of high levels of toxins. Microbial by-products (their poo and their pee, etc.) (and toxic metals) act as haptens: they attach themselves to the cell wall and mark this cell for the host's immune system as foreign. This cell will become a target for the immune system and will be attacked. This is the base for most or all autoimmune diseases.
Take care.
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GiGi, I have read the info by Dr. Ray. My PH is in line with what he states, saliva and urine. This has only happened since taking the Goji.
This must have something to do with the Goji improving the cell to cell communication.
I still have my amalgam fillings, they are old ones. I guess I am quite fortunate to be getting such good PH readings.
I will continue to monitor. Mary
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GiGi
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Mary, I recently at a seminar saw a photograph by a speaker/ scientist researcher, well known, who invented the Cavitat, who is also testifying before Congress on mercury toxicity and autism:
The tooth with an amalgam filling that was 50 years old and had been pulled was still outgasing mercury today, 50 years later. You could see the fumes in the picture clearly - a cloud of fume. (taken with a special camera).
I know you still have your amalgam fillings. So I thought you should hear about the long life of mercury!
With few exceptions depending on severity, anyone with a chronic disease seeking an appointment with Dr. K. who still has amalgam fillings will be offered some literature about mercury and the problems it causes and asked to check in again when they have decided to do see a dentist, etc. There are too many sick people and he feels he is wasting his time, the patient's time and money, trying to convince people that do not want to hear about it. He knows that a person with a chronic disease and amalgams in the mouth will have a problem getting well. There still remains the problem of getting the mercury out of the various body compartments after the amalgam fillings have been removed. That's an alltogether different story.
If you are mercury toxic or heavy metal/environmentally toxic, we are vulnerable to infections by microbes. Read my note above about the microbial ecosystem, as Dr. K. sees it. He has been looking at this situation for many, many years. And thousands of patients later he still feels the same. You get rid of one infection if you are lucky; turn around only to be hit by another one. Microbes are extremely intelligent. They love toxic terrain. A lot smarter than we are.
I know you believe in Goji. I am sure the berry is a valuable fruit. Keep doing it - if it works for you. As a juice, it's too expensive for us even as a preventive measure. I just had a bowl full of the plain berries (organic, dried, soaked for about one hour) , that were bright red and puffy, in a dessert. It's a nice change of taste. I am glad you had alerted me to Goji. I had heard about it before but nixed it mainly because of the multi-marketing ties. I soaked it in my M-Water. (If you don't know what that is and are curious, do a search on the internet).
Off to a movie with my husband and the couch!
Take care.
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