"The EPA said Wednesday it was changing federal policy to require that manufacturers provide scientific evidence that their use of nanosilver won't harm waterways or public health.
Environmentalists and others are concerned that after the material is discarded and enters the environment, it may be killing helpful bacteria and aquatic organisms or even
pose a risk to humans."
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My understanding is that this only applies to cleaning materials. It does not apply to nutritional supplements.
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Uhm...how do I put this delicately...
Anything we consume and "eliminate" gets into the water supply...eventually.
Once again...
"after the material is discarded and enters the environment, it may be killing helpful bacteria and aquatic organisms or even
pose a risk to humans."
Do you think our waste disposal systems (sewers to treatment plants) remove Ag and Hg?
Below, watch for my ***
Environ Toxicol Chem. 2006 Jul;25(7):1831-5. This investigation was designed to determine whether nano-sized manganese oxide (Mn-40 nm) particles would induce dopamine (DA) depletion in a cultured neuronal phenotype, PC-12 cells, similar to free ionic manganese (Mn(2+)).
Cells were exposed to Mn-40 nm, Mn(2+) (acetate),
or ***known cytotoxic silver nanoparticles (Ag-15 nm)*** for 24 h.
Toxicol Sci. 2006 Aug;92(2):456-63. Epub 2006 May 19.
On the other hand, when extracts of metal powder in cell culture solutions were used,
*silver* exhibited a weak *embryotoxicity*
while all other metals exhibited no embryotoxicity.
In the future, it will be important to clarify the embryotoxicity of the many dental materials that are in use today. In addition, it is necessary to develop substances to ensure they have no toxicity before use in dental applications. PMID: 16643597 Congenit Anom (Kyoto). 2006 Mar;46(1):34-8
F1 hybrids of SWR (H-2(q)) and SJL (H-2(s)) mice spontaneously develop a lupuslike condition in an age-dependent manner, and these two H-2 haplotypes also confer susceptibility to
***induction of systemic autoimmunity by heavy metals such as mercury, silver, and gold with anti-fibrillarin antibodies (AFA) as marker.*** PMID: 16574626 J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2006 Mar;69(6):505-23
Biochemistry. 2005 Oct 4;44(39):13214-23
Interaction of ***silver(I) ions with the respiratory chain of Escherichia coli***: an electrochemical and scanning electrochemical microscopy study of the antimicrobial mechanism of micromolar Ag+.
(E.Coli...is a beneficial bacteria...usually. Toxic strains do exist.)
Essentially all bacteria have genes for toxic metal ion resistances and these include those for Ag+, AsO2-, AsO4(3-), Cd2+ Co2+, CrO4(2-), Cu2+, Hg2+, Ni2+, Pb2+, TeO3(2-), Tl+ and Zn2+.
J Ind Microbiol Biotechnol. 2005 Dec;32(11-12):587-605. Epub 2005 Oct 12
Some other links to know who is promoting (background) where and why:
He is also the moderator of the website that is linked in another post here!
Conflict of interest!
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I meant that the article I read about the EPA actions make it appear that the EPA will not be regulating nutritional supplements with nano-technology.
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A few years ago, they came close to removing colloidal silver from the "marketplace".
IMO...THIS supplement (all silver solutions) should be removed from the shelves.
Can't buy a mercury thermometer anymore..for good reason!!!
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Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater again. We have been using "The New Silver Solution" for a long time. Yes, I agree, there are products sold as colloidals that should not be used by anyone - I posted about the "silver" we use over a year ago. Of course, it was rejected by the all-knowing. Do some research.
Take care.
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"known cytotoxic silver nanoparticles" = cytotoxic means kills cells.
"silver exhibited a weak embryotoxicity" = toxic to embryos. (Embryo -> fetus -> baby)
"induction of systemic autoimmunity by heavy metals such as mercury, silver, and gold" = can trigger autoimmunity.
We DO use silver topically to fight infections to augment healing, but to use it systemically is, IMO, playing with fire.
What I put on my skin, hair, nails, etc. I do not DRINK.
Big difference. Big.
Furthermore...
J Biotechnol. 2006 Apr 10;122(3):372-81. Epub 2006 Jan 30.
Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of Illinois, Chicago, IL 60612, USA. [email protected]
"Essentially all bacteria have genes for toxic metal ion ***resistances*** and these include those for Ag+, AsO2-, AsO4(3-), Cd2+ Co2+, CrO4(2-), Cu2+, Hg2+, Ni2+, Pb2+, TeO3(2-), Tl+ and Zn2+. The largest group of resistance systems functions by energy-dependent efflux of toxic ions."
(Ag is silver for those who might not know.)
I have over 1800 MS word files of research...including a LOT of silver research!
The link that JRW posted re: nano silver takes one to a website MODERATED by someone who has a vested interest. Look at his credentials.
IMO, that is conflict of interest. It would be like making a "worm" moderator of this website.
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Thanks for your research Marnie...
I guess I should post all the stuff I research but I'm too lazy...
actually too weak to read and post plus computer illiterate... I usually just read the stuff and come to a conclusion and share that with the folks around here...
Cuz no one can follow all that stuff...but glad you can and provide for those that need to read it in black and white!
Keep up the good work....zman
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The same is true for antibiotics and many other meds. Thats why they tell you not to flush unused meds down the toilet.
I know nothing about silver products but I find it hard to believe they are any worse than many prescription meds.
The epa cant go after pharmacy companies and the medical profession.
The medical profession even uses nuclear stuff.
Im not saying this is good or bad just that its the truth
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Look Sofy, We're not saying there is no potential danger to utilization of antibiotics...
There is inherently a danger or "risk/reward"...for any and all protocol discussed here or used by others.
The thing is some protocol should be viewed as being scams perpetrated by those that would prey on sick folks...
I believe the nanosilver is one that is a scam...
Those that try it should come back here and post about their individual results...preferrably some of the older lymies....so credibility isn't an issue.
I would have tried it myself just to be able to post whether it was legit or not... But the folks that are giving it away chose not to send me any of the stuff.
I wondered why...but...I think I already know the answer. The stuff does'nt do what it claims and has a potential for more harm than good...more "risk than reward". Abx on the other hand has more reward than risk.
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This has zero to do with safety. If you think the FDA/FTC/EPA is out to keep ya safe I've got a bridge I'd like to sell ya. Not sure of the legal ramifications of this but it is interesting to note ASAP has received a patent this same month for a silver based antibiotic.
"...since the general principles of the present invention have been defined herein specifically to provide an improved colloidal silver product with significant abilities to kill human pathogens both in vivo and in vitro."
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Using the heavy metal,Ag,to bind mRNA (messenger RNA) is, IMO, something we need to really really think hard about.
Do we want to "deactivate" mRNA?
Metals (minerals)and other positive charged things (like glycogen) bind to acidic things (negative charges) such as proteins.
To visualize nerve cells, a silver staining technique was devised years ago. It is called the Golgi staining technique. These nerve cells (certain parts of them) TAKE UP silver.
While these cells do/can regenerate, it takes a LONG time for this to happen.
Ag and Hg (tried a long time ago to treat syphilis) are NOT destroying the pathogen, but DO alter our response to it.
Hg locks onto choline.
Ag looks to impact/bind to NK1 receptor-encoding mRNA.
Otherwise known as:
substance P (SP, also known as neurokinin 1, NK1) receptors.
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The opinion of the experts is what most counts. In getting the patent for the abx they proved safety otherwise the patent would not be given. In other words our government gives thumbs up to this colloidal silver product for use as an abx. good news imho.
An Alternative to Antibiotics At the conclusion to the antibiotic tests, Dr. Ron Leavitt Ph.D. stated, "The data suggests that with the low toxicity of elemental silver in general, and the broad spectrum of activity of the ASAP Solution�, the ASAP Solution� may be effectively used as an alternative to antibiotics."
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Patents are given everyday for new drugs.
Some are later removed from the marketplace because they were found NOT to be safe.
Once again...I believe the microbiologists.
"Essentially all bacteria have genes for toxic metal ion ***resistances***"
All they are doing is making someone FEEL better, not BE better.
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When the "experts" disagree, it doesn't make our job of trying to figure out this disease and how to SAFELY cure it.
Well...all I can say is Illinois was my home state for many years...
J Biotechnol. 2006 Apr 10;122(3):372-81. Epub 2006 Jan 30.
Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of Illinois, Chicago, IL 60612, USA. [email protected]
Essentially all bacteria have genes for toxic metal ion resistances and these include those for Ag+, AsO2-, AsO4(3-), Cd2+ Co2+, CrO4(2-), Cu2+, Hg2+, Ni2+, Pb2+, TeO3(2-), Tl+ and Zn2+.
A long time ago, there was a microbiologist who published on the internet that Bb uses Mg, not Mn.
He corrected his mistake. But it sure as heck thru me off for a long time.
I found this interesting:
"Unsponsored BYU Laboratory Studies Conducted by Dr. Ron W. Leavitt Professor of Microbiology at Brigham Young University.
Although Dr. Leavitt stated that there would be no restriction on the publication of data, apparently Brigham Young University disagrees.
In a letter dated July 23, 2002, the assistant to general counsel for BYU, stated: "Any studies that occured at BYU were not intended for dissemenation to the general public."
In what can almost be construed as a blanket attack against first ammendment rights, BYU has been sending intimidating cease and desist orders out to individuals and organizations referencing the study.
These letters not only pursue the reasonable demand that copyrights be respected, but further demand that BYU not be mentioned in conjunction with the study at all, despite the fact this information now exists in the public domain.
Further, attached to these letters is an official BYU position statement, where the antimicrobial effects of colloidal silver are compared to bleach. While it is clear ( in fact, self evident ) that studies done in-vitro cannot be applied to a clinical situation, comparing colloidal silver to bleach can only be regarded as a very distasteful disinformation tactic.
hile the sarcasm of the comment is not lost in the statement, the undiluted truth is. As the quote by Dr. Ron Leavitt above indicates, colloidal silver has a low level of toxicity ( see our pages on silver toxicity for details ).
The Colloidal Silver Database Website's position is that we are not in violation of copyright laws in this matter. Furthermore, we believe that the general public has a right to know the facts associated with the controversy, insofar as doing so does not infringe upon the rights of the parties in question, as a part of our journalistic expression.
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Do you not get the just of the article? I'm trying to figure out why a story is in the news concerning silver nanoparticle safety, yet the FACT that we have a patented novel new abx is not even mentioned.
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As with Hg, I believe we will eventually figure out that Ag is also dangerous to play with re: internal use and "disposal" of this heavy metal.
It is curious that Dr. Ron W. Leavitt from Utah has the same last name as a fellow Utah native:
Mike Leavitt is our (U.S.) HHS secretary - Health and Human Services. Interesting guy, interesting background and family history. I especially like the family way of "circling" monetary charitable donations.
Here is his view of mercury when he was made head of the EPA:
"Whitman was replaced by States' Rights champion Governor Mike Leavitt of Utah.
Leavitt is a self-described "moderate" who favors the "devolution of federal power" to the states.
Leavitt's first major initiative as head of EPA was to
***propose that mercury emitted from coal-fired power plants, although a known neurotoxin, be
"1896 Utahns liked Democrat Bryan's "free silver" plan, thinking it would stimulate the economy."
"Not until 1863, with the rediscovery of silver-bearing ore in Bingham Canyon, did the boom in precious metals begin."
The Mormon population is still large in Utah. It is their belief that we all have a common ancestry.
Brent, there is a U.S. Patent titled: Magnesium for Autoimmune. Do you see us using Mg pyrophosphate and sub(lingual) B6 to cure RA, ulcerative colitis and invasive bowel cancer as Valletta did? Or said he did.
Do you see us using Na bicarbonate to cure neurobabesia as vets in the 1970s (in Germany) did with dogs suffering from this disease?
Want to discuss a KNOWN neurotoxic drug currently Rx'd to halt premature labor and the impact on toddler's sleep patterns?
When we are very ill, our bodies - overall - are very toxic (acidic). What do we do? Give more toxins.
Even the minerals (positive charge) and acids (negative charge) that we need - proteins, enzymes, hormones, immunoglobulins, vitamins, amino acids - can be toxic in high doses.
It takes a TREMENDOUS amt. of really strong acids to dissolve a mineral completely.
I think we have to be very, very careful that the "treatments" don't kill us.
Nano sized particles are very, very, very small. They enter the cells much more easily than larger particles.
In all fairness, Dr. Leavitt apparently is in a different division at BYU.
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