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If I do not have a yeast issue, do I need to completely eliminate all foods with sugar, yeast, etc. I really like whole grains and would like to keep them in my diet.
Also, what is the deal with brown rice products. Are those to be eliminated too because of the starch?
Could someone explain why, what it does to the Lyme bacteria, etc?
Thanks!
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I eat whatever the heck I want including a lot of fatty foods and tons of sugar*)!*)! Then again, maybe that is why I haven't gone into complete remission*)!!!! (I don't really think so but you never know*)!
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All truth goes through 3 stages: first it is ridiculed: then it is violently opposed: finally it is accepted as self evident. - Schopenhauer Posts: 5639 | From Aptos CA USA | Registered: Apr 2005
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I am rather convinced that diet makes a huge difference. There are many more molecules entering your body under the heading of "diet" than under the guise of "treatment" (or, ...'treatment'... .. , as the case may be). In fact, you could consider "treatment" as part of your "diet". (For a couple months, once upon a time, my entire diet came to me through tubes, for example,....(and some would say that's true of everybody, for even longer (but I really don't want to start a politico-moral argument....)....)) You catch my drift. Especially when fighting a disease as nasty as Lyme, diet is very important to connsider. Any LLMD will be aware ot its importance!
Probably the most important consideration diet-wise is the compensation for abx- this includes keeping sugar very low, in general, but it's a complicated scenario. Fruit, for esample, has a substantial amount of sugar. But some fruits are not so bad despite this; for esample, they may contain compounds that inhibit yeast, and many nutrients that strengthen the immune system substantially. The amount of fiber that a food contains is very relevant, to, I am quite sure (though I can't pop you out a ref on the spot...). I have even seen it suggested somewhere that yeast may adapt to low sugar conditions in a nasty way, and there are other "bad bugs" that may thrive in the antiseptic conditions brought on by abx. So, though the only thing you can say for sure is that you can't say anything for sure, it still pays to think about this stuff.
My perception was, that diet had a substantial effect on the efficacy of the treatments I tried.
My approach was, "I'll do anything reasonable that has a reasonable chance of helping. Diet appeared to me to fall into that category; hence I incorporated it. Getting over lyme is NOT like getting over a cold. You need to TOTALLY optimize. And be a little "lucky", too.
....that's why I always wish us all, THE BEST LUCK possibly in finding the optimal treatment path, which is different for everyone., DaveS
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I don't think a lot of people here would agree with me, but I know I need sugar. And not to feed the yeast but to feed my brain and my muscles.
I want my brain to get its energy easily and pretty much constantly. My brain needs fixing, I am not going to deprive it of its fuel. And if I have to take Diflucan every so often, that is fine with me.
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Posts: 243 | From chicago | Registered: Dec 2005
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Gambler-I hate to say it, but you're CLEARLY addited to sugar. you can get great energy from greens, fruits, and supplements.
I thought I needed sugar too-but I've learned that sugar is probably one of the worst foods (i don't know that it can be classified as a food but whatever) you can put into your body.
I used to LIVE on bread, soda, pasta, and of COURSE candy. Not to mention the energy drinks, ice creams, fruit juices etc etc. I was always a pretty thin kid, so I never had to worry about what I ate.
UNTIL I got lyme. I started getting horrible stomach pains every time I ate ne of the above. That's when I realized I was addicted. I tried to stop eating the donuts for breakfast, the bread and butter for lunch and the pasta for dinner.
Eventually, I decided that I had to make a life style change because I was CONVINCED that I was allergic to wheat, or yeast, or gluten. Of course I tested neg to all of the above.
But soon enough every time I ate those food I started vommitting them up-until I started vommitted everything up-and 8 months later I was diagnoised with lyme.
Two weeks after treatment I stopped vommitting and was put on a STRICT diet. It's been two years and I was on the caniada (sp?) diet for about a year after the vommitting episode.
I can now eat more carbs without vommitting which is a sign to me that I am getting better-and perhaps that is also because I am on IV rocephin.
Still if I eat too many carb at once or in one day I get a horrible stomach and I will throw up.
To me that says I am not cured and diet totally effects how you heal. I've been off the diet for about 6 months but I am going back on the caniada diet.
I know it sounds crazy but I actually feel like I have more energy when I don't eat carbs. I used to feel like I had more energy but now I feel slugish, tired, and lathargic. For me it's almost toxic.
So I guess my point is though-everyone thinks it different for them-it's not-
you can eat carbs and you can treat lyme-but unless you really want to make a difference in the way you live-you're never going to feel "normal"
Even normal people who eat carbs with no health problems have problems with carbs-what happens is you're body becomes low on insulint so you get a headache or feel starving or maybe you feel nothing-then you eat the carbs and it throws your insulent level WAY up-causing you to crave more crabs.
Basically it's a losing cycle-which is why we should all get off the rollercoaster and eat few carbs small portions throughout the day-
-Lindsay
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As for carbohydrate intake, even a single person needs completely different levels of carbs depending on the level of energy output. If I do something active it is extremely helpful to injest huge amounts of carb.-rich food. But there are differences in qualities. To really know what is best for you need to experiment.
Coming out of Lyme, the optimal diet constantly changed, as did the optimal activity level.
When I was in the really bad stages, though, with sll the abx, I controlled sugarintake very tightly. But even then, as I mentioned, citris fruit helped, but for some reason I didn't want to eat citris too near abx.
For me the best food to take with oral abx was brown rice with veggies, unsweetened soy milk, and/or green tea (or 'yogi' "Joint comfort" tea blend which included green tea. (despite the name it didn't seem to do all that much for the aching joints..)).
When I had huge GI issues, Yarrow tea was miracle material. DaveS
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Thank you for the replies. I guess my question is, is the candida diet recommended when you are on antibx (which I understand), or is it because the Lyme feeds on these foods?
I do not eat sugar or refined carbs. I do add some whole grains, and fruits, mostly high fiber into my diet, and feel just fine. I am just wondering if this is doing any harm.
I have been tested for yeast and tested in the negative range.
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