Beverly
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Hi Kelly,
I have been using whey protein for a while now, and I feel better taking it. I get mine from a doc here in Mi, the brand is Jay Robb's it's free of aspartame, MSG, Sucralose and growth hormones.
Hope this helps some.
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Here is a recent topic on whey protein... there is a lot of useful information. See Parisa's post for more technical information.
If, somehow the link does not work, the thread is called "Okay, so what about whey?" started by Ladylee about a month ago.
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I think this may be really good re Babesiosis which de-oxygenates muscles and can cause fibromyalgia!!! I am blanking on the recent research but there is some- these are the old ones but if I remember the keywords there are rercent findings in this regard-
: Hussein HS. Related Articles, Links The effect of a milk diet on Babesia microti and B. hylomysci infections in mice. Trans R Soc Trop Med Hyg. 1973;67(1):5. No abstract available. PMID: 4777433 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 17: Nowell F. Related Articles, Links The effect of a milk diet upon Plasmodium berghei, Nuttallia (=Babesia) rodhaini and Trypanosoma brucei infections in mice. Parasitology. 1970 Dec;61(3):425-33. No abstract available. PMID: 4994294 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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kelmo
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Thank you very much. I did a search on it last night, but didn't see that topic!
I can see that I'm really behind, and whey is an almost essential element to the healing process.
Oh...doodah.
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trueblue
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Stupid question, sorry, but I am afraid of whey so perhaps someone can let me know their experience.
I'm sensitive to cow's milk. I'm not sure if whey would be a problem. I was initially told it was lactose intolerance but lactase only helps a little. I suspect it might be a sensitivity to something else, perhaps the protein. I can consume small amounts of it with out horrible consequences. I can eat a few spoons of yogurt, for instance.
I tried GoateinIG, I took it once (3 caps they recommended 5). This made the issues with cow dairy a party by comparison. My body could not break this down or eliminate it for 2 days. I know goat whey is not an option and will never try goat's milk.
Anyone know the odds of having a problem with whey protein? I have tried one veggie based (peas, I think, not soy) one, I got as a sample and lived. But it had sucralose and don't want that or the awful aftertaste. Blech!
Thanks
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I can't access those study's. Do they say that a milk diet is beneficial or not for Babs? Thanks
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Here!!! This is what I was htinking of- ****************************** 1: Parasitol Res. 2005 Dec;97(6):472-7. Epub 2005 Sep 17. Related Articles, Links
The treatment of mice with Lactobacillus casei induces protection against Babesia microti infection.
Bautista-Garfias CR, Gomez MB, Aguilar BR, Ixta O, Martinez F, Mosqueda J.
CENID-PAVET, INIFAP Apdo, Postal 206, CIVAC, 62500, Estado de Morelos, Mexico, [email protected].
In this study, we report that administration of Lactobacillus casei confers protection to mice against the intracellular protozoan Babesia microti. Mice treated with L. casei orally or intraperitoneally were inoculated 7 days later with an infectious dose of B. microti. Mice treated with lactobacilli showed significant reduction in the percentage of parasitized erythrocytes (PPE) compared to untreated mice. When mice were inoculated intraperitoneally with L. casei 3 or 0 days before challenge with B. microti, the PPE was significantly lower compared to untreated mice and there were no differences between treated mice and mice immune to B. microti infection. When mice treated with live or dead L. casei were compared to mice inoculated with Freund Complete Adjuvant before a B. microti infection, a significant reduction of PPE was observed. These results show the protective effect of L. casei administered to mice against a B. microti infection and suggest that it might act by stimulating the innate immune system.
PMID: 16170567 [PubMed - in process]
---------------- 1: Am J Trop Med Hyg. 2005 Oct;73(4):710-712. Related Articles, Links
INHIBITORY EFFECT OF LACTOFERRIN ON IN VITRO GROWTH OF BABESIA CABALLI.
Ikadai H, Tanaka T, Shibahara N, Tanaka H, Matsuu A, Kudo N, Shimazaki KI, Igarashi I, Oyamada T.
Department of Veterinary Parasitology, and Department of Small Animal Medicine, School of Veterinary Medicine and Animal Sciences, Kitasato University, Towada, Aomori, Japan; Dairy Science Laboratory, Graduate School of Agriculture, Hokkaido University, Sapporo, Hokkaido, Japan; National Research Center for Protozoan Diseases, Obihiro University of Agriculture and Veterinary Medicine, Obihiro, Hokkaido, Japan.
Lactoferrin (LF) is an important biologic molecule with many functions, one of which is antimicrobial defense. We evaluated the growth-inhibiting effects of four types of LF (native LF, Fe(+3)-bound [holo] LF, Fe(+3)-free [apo] LF, and LF hydrolyzate) on the in vitro growth of Babesia caballi and B. equi. The growth of B. caballi was significantly suppressed in media containing apo LF, but was not inhibited in media containing native LF, holo LF, or LF hydrolyzate. The growth of B. equi was not inhibited by media containing native LF, holo LF, or apo LF. These data indicate that apo LF had the strongest inhibitory effect on B. caballi. This may have been caused by inactivation or inhibition of a growth factor in the culture medium.
PMID: 16222014 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] 1: Cell Mol Life Sci. 2005 Nov 2; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links
Lactoferrin: a modulator of immune and inflammatory responses.
Legrand D, Elass E, Carpentier M, Mazurier J.
Unite de Glycobiologie Structurale et Fonctionnelle et Unite Mixte de Recherche n degrees 8576 du Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique, Institut Federatif de Recherche n degrees 118, Batiment C9, Universite des Sciences et Technologies de Lille, 59655, Villeneuve d'Ascq cedex, France, [email protected].
Lactoferrin is an iron-binding glycoprotein of the transferrin family. Abundant expression and secretion of lactoferrin, in particular in milk and fluids of the digestive tract, are related to its implication in the first line of host defense. Lactoferrin is also a prominent component of the secondary granules of neutrophils (PMNs) and is released in infected tissues and blood during the inflammatory process. In addition to its direct antimicrobial properties, the abilities of lactoferrin to regulate the immune response and to protect against infection and septic shock have been described in numerous in vitro and in vivo studies. Although the cellular and molecular mechanisms that account for the modulation of the inflammatory and immune responses by lactoferrin are not yet totally elucidated, many are now established. At the cellular level, lactoferrin modulates the migration, maturation and function of immune cells. At the molecular level and in addition to iron binding, interactions of lactoferrin with a plethora of compounds, either soluble or membrane molecules, account for its modulatory properties. This paper reviews our current understanding of the cellular and molecular mechanisms that explain the regulatory properties of lactoferrin in host defence.
PMID: 16261255 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] 1: Cell Mol Life Sci. 2005 Nov 2; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links
Multifunctional roles of lactoferrin: a critical overview.
Ward PP, Paz E, Conneely OM.
Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology, Baylor College of Medicine, Texas, Houston, 77030, USA, [email protected].
Lactoferrin (LF) is a member of the transferrin family that is expressed and secreted by glandular epithelial cells and is found in the secondary granules of neutrophils. Originally viewed as an iron-binding protein in milk, with bacteriostatic properties, it is becoming increasingly evident that LF is a multifunctional protein to which several physiological roles have been attributed. These include regulation of iron homeostasis, host defense against a broad range of microbial infections, anti-inflammatory activity, regulation of cellular growth and differentiation and protection against cancer development and metastasis. While iron binding is likely central to some of the biological roles of LF, other activities, including specific interactions with mammalian receptors and microbial components, also contribute to the pleoitropic functional nature of this protein. In this article, recent advances in the understanding of these functions at the cellular and molecular level are discussed.
PMID: 16261256 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
The treatment of mice with Lactobacillus casei induces protection against Babesia microti infection.
Bautista-Garfias CR, Gomez MB, Aguilar BR, Ixta O, Martinez F, Mosqueda J.
CENID-PAVET, INIFAP Apdo, Postal 206, CIVAC, 62500, Estado de Morelos, Mexico, [email protected].
In this study, we report that administration of Lactobacillus casei confers protection to mice against the intracellular protozoan Babesia microti. Mice treated with L. casei orally or intraperitoneally were inoculated 7 days later with an infectious dose of B. microti. Mice treated with lactobacilli showed significant reduction in the percentage of parasitized erythrocytes (PPE) compared to untreated mice. When mice were inoculated intraperitoneally with L. casei 3 or 0 days before challenge with B. microti, the PPE was significantly lower compared to untreated mice and there were no differences between treated mice and mice immune to B. microti infection. When mice treated with live or dead L. casei were compared to mice inoculated with Freund Complete Adjuvant before a B. microti infection, a significant reduction of PPE was observed. These results show the protective effect of L. casei administered to mice against a B. microti infection and suggest that it might act by stimulating the innate immune system.
PMID: 16170567 [PubMed - in process]
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Immunization of bovines with concealed antigens from Haematobia irritans.
Bautista CR, Giles I, Montenegro N, Figueroa JV.
CENID-PAVET, INIFAP, Jiutepec Estado de Morelos, Mexico. [email protected]
To evaluate an immunization procedure using antigens from Haematobia irritans intestine (AgHiI), four bovines (group I) were inoculated with AgHiI mixed with Freund's incomplete adjuvant containing Lactobacillus casei, three bovines (group II) received AgHiI, and three bovines (group III) received saline solution. At day 35, blood was collected from each animal to feed H. irritans flies. There was no difference in the fly mortality observed in the three groups. The percentage of reduction of eggs oviposited by each female in 8 days (%RE), as compared with group III, was 29.45 for group I and 11.02 for group II. Antibody levels (AbL) to AgHiI were higher in group I than in groups II and III. A high correlation between %RE and AbL was observed.
PMID: 15604507 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 1: Biochim Biophys Acta. 1992 May 22;1121(1-2):130-6. Related Articles, Links
Identification of the bactericidal domain of lactoferrin.
Bellamy W, Takase M, Yamauchi K, Wakabayashi H, Kawase K, Tomita M.
Nutritional Science Laboratory, Morinaga Milk Industry Company Limited, Zama City, Japan.
We report the existence of a previously unknown antimicrobial domain near the N-terminus of lactoferrin in a region distinct from its iron-binding sites. A single active peptide representing this domain was isolated following gastric pepsin cleavage of human lactoferrin, and bovine lactoferrin, and sequenced by automated Edman degradation. The antimicrobial sequence was found to consist mainly of a loop of 18 amino acid residues formed by a disulfide bond between cysteine residues 20 and 37 of human lactoferrin, or 19 and 36 of bovine lactoferrin. Synthetic analogs of this region similarly exhibited potent antibacterial properties. The active peptide of bovine lactoferrin was more potent than that of human lactoferrin having effectiveness against various Gram-negative and Gram-positive bacteria at concentrations between 0.3 microM and 3.0 microM, depending on the target strain. The effect of the isolated domain was lethal causing a rapid loss of colony-forming capability. Our studies suggest this domain is the structural region responsible for the bacterial properties of lactoferrin.
PMID: 1599934 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 1: Haematologica. 1995 May-Jun;80(3):252-67. Related Articles, Links
Lactoferrin: a general review.
Levay PF, Viljoen M.
Department of Physiology, University of Pretoria, South Africa.
Lactoferrin is a 703-amino acid glycoprotein originally isolated from milk. Plasma lactoferrin is predominantly neutrophil derived but indications are that it may also be produced by other cells. Lactoferrin in body fluids is found in the iron-free form, the monoferric form and in the diferric form. Three isoforms of lactoferrin have been isolated, ie two with RNase activity (lactoferrin-beta and lactoferrin-gamma) and one without RNase activity (lactoferrin-alpha). Receptors for lactoferrin can be found on intestinal tissue, monocytes/macrophages, neutrophils, lymphocytes, platelets, and on certain bacteria. A wide spectrum of functions are ascribed to lactoferrin. These range from a role in the control of iron availability to immune modulation. More research is necessary however to obtain clarity with regard to the exact mechanism of action of lactoferrin.
1: Eur J Immunol. 2004 Sep;34(9):2520-8. Related Articles, Links
Lactobacillus casei reduces CD8+ T cell-mediated skin inflammation.
Chapat L, Chemin K, Dubois B, Bourdet-Sicard R, Kaiserlian D.
Inserm-U404 "Immunite et Vaccination", CERVI, IFR-128 BioSciences Lyon-Gerland, Lyon, France.
Probiotics, including Lactobacilli, have been postulated to alleviate allergic and inflammatory diseases, but evidence that they exert an anti-inflammatory effect by immune modulation of pathogenic T cell effectors is still lacking. The aim of this study was to examine whether L. casei could affect antigen-specific T cell-mediated skin inflammation. To this end, we used contact hypersensitivity to the hapten 2,4-dinitrofluorobenzene, a model of allergic contact dermatitis mediated by CD8+ CTL and controlled by CD4+ regulatory T cells. Daily oral administration of fermented milk containing L. casei or L. casei alone decreased skin inflammation by inhibiting the priming/expansion of hapten-specific IFN-gamma-producing CD8+ effector T cells. The down-regulatory effect of the probiotics required the presence of CD4+ T cells, which control the size of the hapten-specific CD8+ T cell pool primed by skin sensitization. L. casei cell wall was as efficient as live L. casei to regulate both the CHS response and the hapten-specific CD8+ T cell response, suggesting that cell wall components contribute to the immunomodulatory effect of L. casei. This study provides the first evidence that oral administration of L. casei can reduce antigen-specific skin inflammation by controlling the size of the CD8+ effector pool. Copyright 2004 Wiley-VCH Verlag GmbH & Co.
PMID: 15307184 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
--- 1: Kansenshogaku Zasshi. 1988 Dec;62(12):1105-10. Related Articles, Links
[Induction of interferon by Lactobacillus]
[Article in Japanese]
Goto T, Yokota Y, Matsumoto K, Nakai M, Yamagata H.
PMID: 2466096 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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clairenotes
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True --
My daughter and I both have extreme sensitivities to dairy products and the effects are fairly immediate. I would not even go near whey for a few years.
I purchased it by accident one day, and a few months later, when we were out of our normal rice protein drink, I begrudgingly tried it. Not only did I not have a reaction, I felt really good. Much better than the rice protein (which I liked a lot too).
I can't really describe what it does for me, except that I feel more satisfied when I eat it and so I eat a little less meat during the day. Also, I feel energized and I think my liver is functioning at a higher level. Not very scientific. Just my personal experience.
If you have a true allergy vs a sensitivity, then I would be careful. Also, the product I use has included some enzymes, so maybe that helps.
Be sure to look over the other ingredients in the whey protein drink to make sure you are not allergic to anything there also.
Claire
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kelmo
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No allergies to anything. I've ordered some from vitacost today. Thank you for all your input.
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I love whey protein -- it's rich in amino acids and if you buy "undenatured" varieties you get the most benefit. Where it really helps is in the immune system -- it contains most of the building blocks for your body to make glutathione, especially when taken in combination with N-Acetyl Cysteine.
Usually those with milk allergies can have whey protein because it doesn't contain much, if any, lactose -- it's all protein.
Having tried several, I've got to say my favorite is ProHealth's ImmunPlex. Cheap, tasty, undenatured and desolves in any liquid.
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trueblue
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Thnaks for the info sarah, clair and cate.
I'll ahve to try it carefully in case it;s the protein causing the problem. I'll look for sample sizes or start grubbing them off friends.
Good luck, kelmo, let us know how it goes, k? and thnak for letting me intrude on your thread.
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I tried goat whey, and cow whey. I'm milk sensitive, and reacted bad to both (but not as nearly strong as I react to milk).
My daughter can't take cow milk, but goat milk is fine. I give her goat whey and she's fine. I tried even cow whey and she accepted it well too.
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