Melanie Reber
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Good morning all,
My LLMD gave me a name of a magnesium spay as a last resort to try for my continuous painful foot and calf cramping.
But...of course, I lost it on one of many slips of papers floating around here, and can't find the information now.
Before I do a search and just chose any old mag. spray...I wanted to ask to see if any of you have ever heard of this or have had any experiences using such a product?
Both positive or negative feedback would sure be appreciated. As my body just will not allow any form of oral mag to "stay in".
Thanks so much in advance, Melanie
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Marnie
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If your body is acidic and you apply ionic Mg onto your skin...it will feel like it is on fire, then it will itch.
This goes away in about 15 minutes.
It does NOT happen if one is healthy and applies the above (ionic Mg).
I am comparing my son's reaction (when he was very low in many electrolytes) to my reaction (test subject).
Ionic Mg is available from Liquimins in small blue glass bottles that come with eye droppers. We would apply (2) eyedroppers full of this form of Mg to his back. This is close to the RDA amt. of Mg.
Note: My son found that the epsom salt + baking soda baths worked better. It seems Na helps to "open" the cells, allowing Mg to go in.
His reaction to the baths was amazing. He said he felt as if he was "high". He was SOOOOOOO happy...and had been SOOOOOOOO depressed. The baths make a HUGE difference for him. I wish I had a video of his first reaction to the baths. It blew me away.
You could sub. sea salts..which, theoretically might be even better.
He is not infected (food poisoning trigger) any longer, but is in the process of restoring the balance, which takes time...a long time. It is a slow process.
BTW...he has "loose joints"..esp. his right foot and he often complains about pain in that foot. I just bought a far infrared hand held light and he tried it yesterday. He said it really helped. It costs $30. Use it on low..it gets warm...very. I am trying it on a couple of "trouble spots" for myself.
We are "experimenters"...my son and I. Test subjects. My husband, on the other hand, is more of a "traditionalist" ;-) I'm still working on him (LOL).
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Melanie Reber
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I appreciate you so much Marnie, and all the knowledge you bring to this board!
Actually, one of my last lab work-ups (in the ER) did find that I was acidic...I just can't remember now how I gleaned that info at the time...
and I haven't been back for any follow-up labs in months.
Honestly, I have done the epsom- soda baths, and I really haven't noticed any differnce at all. I am not certain if this is because I was very toxic at the time- overly so...
or if it is beacuse I haven't done them on a regular basis. But, a hot bath sounds really nice to me at the moment, as I am chilled to the bone and the heat is set at 74 degrees.
I alo think that my extended "restroom time" recently may be pulling out too many trace minerals. So, I try to remember to drink Emergen-C when I can and consume mag through food as much as I can.
My LLMD wanted me on at least 1500mgs perday of Mag...but this is an absolute impossibility when I can't even absord a simple 64mg Slow-mag once a day.
So, I really need to find another way here, and fast, as the cramps are not only nightly now, but daily as well.
Thank you once again! Much love, M
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I am in the same boat you are concerning MG++ administration. Please let me known if you find anything out.
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Melanie Reber
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Hey Miss Dippity!
Yes, I have heard great things about IM Mag. The only problem is, technically, at the moment I am uninsured once again, and am not sure when the newest policy will finish the "underwriting" procedure.
And, because it is a new policy, 3rd in less than 7 months, I have had to start over each time with new deductables, co-pays, higher premiums, etc.
So, that leaves me with very little resources to get what I need via Rxs, as I have to save my pennies for the big meds right now.
(I also really don't like needles...but don't like this cramping either
Soooo, to get any new Rxs, means another trip back to the doc, and full price on that as well as the meds out of pocket.
I'm not sure what "relatively cheap" means? But I do think it has to be Rx, right? I did ask Costco at one point if they could get that in for me and was told no.
I also mentioned the possibility to my doc and he brushed it off as well.
So, you can see, I've not made much progress on the IV Mag plan so far. But thanks!
Hey there Travlr,
When I find a solution, you will be the first to know IF you check back here.
Good luck to you, and promise you will do the same, OK?
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I had a Mg IM once. I believe it was Mg 3gm, and cost a little under $3. I was able to get the other supplies free, just a syringe from a nurse.
I am not sure how often it would need to be done, perhaps weekly.
These were my observations: My palpitations were gone and my sense of panic was diminshed. I slept well. The delivery system was far more effective than oral Mg. Lovely. However, my blood pressure was low at that time and the next day. I felt dizzy and lightheaded. So my doctor and I decided not to do it again.
If I couldn't take oral Mg I would certainly give it a try again, even now I wonder if it would be better. But I am afraid of needles.
Oh, Melanie, I hope you sort through this insurance mess. Are there any free or low income clinics in your area?
Do keep Mg IV in mind next time you have the chance to see a doctor. I'll see if I can dig up some articles.
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hi, another Lyme friend recommended water oz magnesium. I have not used it, but it is a spray or oil- ready to apply transdermally. Carolyn
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I hope this helps with your search. I'm really curious to know if this works. Good luck and may the searches come up fruitful, or magnesium full.
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I just ordered transdermal magnesium to see how that works. I often have digestive issues with too much magnesium and the transdermal option seems worth a try.
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Marnie
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If K and/or Ca levels drop, we have a hard time "holding onto" Mg.
Since Ca is abundant and will eventually be pulled from storage (bones), it would appear the K level is perhaps very important.
It appears in Lyme, K levels rise at first (as it leaves the cell and goes extracellular), but eventually drops. This takes a LONG TIME. We must have pretty big stores of this electrolyte in the cells, but it needs to be transported INTO the cells and shove less reactive Na out.
Now we have a problem. K is supposed to be IN the cells, but it is not. The pumps (Na-K) aren't working well due to ATP being too low (due to the cells using sugar, not oxygen, to make ATP for one reason.)
If K is OUTSIDE the cells and Na IN the cells, it appears this looks like edema.
We have to restore the pumps. Make more ATP, which will drive K back into the cells and Mg too.
Na is needed to carry choline into the cells. See the problem? Bb likes it that way.
The "typical" diuretics don't work.
There are nutrients needed to make ATP. Would they work to help restore the Na-K pump?
Body builders use them, but what are the dangers and why?
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Melanie Reber
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Good morning all,
Thank you each so very much for your input- it really is priceless information!
Seren, $3.00? I think I could afford that one! If I could only get the rest of the stars to allign, I may have an answer there- thank you SO much!
OK Carolyn, you will have to explain what "water oz" magnesium means...do you mind? Thanks!
Bluie, Thank you so much for doing a search! I have not found the time to check it yet, but will try today.
Hey there Scott, would you care to let us all know what you think when your spay arrives and you have an opportunity to test it out? You are a dear one, thank you!
Oh Marnie! This all sounds so important, but is mostly going over my head. Fortunately, my best friend is an RN and has agreed, and is actually VERY interested, in reading your research and deciphering it for me!
Soooo, what links do you think I should provide her with? The Nutshell ones? Or are there more recently updated theories you are working on that she can study?
I am very prone to edema, if that means anything...I think you are saying it does here. But, I can't recall right now what Na is...
so will have to do some more reading when I can make some free time today. Once again, thank you SO much!
Oh, and BTW, I did do an epsom-soda bath last night. NO cramping through the night, but lots of muscle twitching. It was really difficult for me to saty in the bath too very long as I hate any "sauna" type stuff. But, it did warm me, overly so...so maybe that was a good thing?
So, I guess my questions would be...how long does one need to stay in that bath for the proper amount of Mg to be absorbed, and how often is this procedure recommended to see optimal results?
Many thanks to you each! Melanie
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As per usual,,,I dunt no nuttin.!! But I do know we all CARE!!! Just want to convey best wishes to you to find what WORKS for YOU!!!me b --just don--
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Melanie Reber
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Oh Don,
You are such a good friend, and a good man. Hoping that you and yours and number 14 too are hanging in there!
Much love, M
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trueblue
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Ms M ~
The searches brought up a bunch of transdermal stuff... oils, gels and flakes(i think for bathing). It seemed the oils could be sprayed on as well as massaged in.
(My experience with epsom salts baths was unusual but it made me much achier and twitchier and that was the opposite of the result I was expecting.) ^shrugs^
Legend to the Marnie map: Na = sodium K = potassium
every now and again having to learn the periodic table comes in handy.
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Water oz is a brand and I think 20 mins in the bath is recommended although there is debate as to whether it should be hot or cool-
Also- somepeople have to build up tolerance - starting with 1/4c up to whatever dose you want.
We started at 1 c and went up to 2c. CArolyn
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Melanie Reber
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Thanks for bumping this for me Miss Cave- the login issues have been resolved with Jenifer's help.
Thanks Carolyn for the explaination of things.
Yes, I do think I just had the water way too hot and was getting dizzy and lightheaded. The book I took in to read ended up as a fan, and I had to stand up a few times to just try to cool down
Thanks for the ledgend Blue, I swear I missed highschool science somehow- really. I was in an accident and missed it entirely...and for some reason never had to retake it.
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Anytime! I'm glad you're back sweety.
I'm watching and hoping oyu tell me somehting I can use about the magnesium spray if you locate some. Good luck and keep us posted.
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