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I need help .... My Dr at this time will not treat me for Babesia because my IgM is pos, (1:320) but the IgG is negative. He states this may be a false postive because I have high viral infections EbV ,HHV6. I have been treated in the past with Mepron and Zithro for 5 months and in testing, 4 months later, the titres are still the same.
All need help from all the brainiacs, because my brain cannot process this.
Thanks........
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savebabe
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Are you experiencing any symptoms of babs? Many times people test negative, but still feel better with treatment.
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There arn't usually false positives, in my opinion. And if you are feeling better on Babs treatment, then I would say continue. Maybe the infection has not cleared up yet.
My sister has been on meds for Babs for 2 years. And the when she goes off the symptoms return, so her LLMD says to continue until all symptoms are completely gone.
Hope this helps you, Lisi _________________________________________________
Babesia symtom list:
20. What signs and symptoms would lead a doctor to suspect a Babesia infection in a patient? How many strains of Babesiosis have been identified and how many are commonly tested for in commercial labs?
The following signs/symptoms may be present in those infected with Babesiosis:
Fatigue* Arthralgias* (aching joints) Myalgia* (muscle pain) Drenching sweats* Headaches* Emotional lability* Depression* Dark urine* Splenomegaly* (enlarged spleen) Dizziness* Nausea and vomiting* Cough* Dyspnea* (difficulty breathing) Fever* Chills* Hepatosplenomegaly* (enlarged liver) Jaundice* Malaise* Shortness of breath* Bleeding tendencies, bruising* Thrombocytopenia* (low platelets in the blood) Hemoglobinuria* (red cell breakdown, with release of hemoglobin in the urine) Hyperesthesia* (over sensitivity to touch) Pulmonary edema* (fluid accumulation, swelling in the lungs) Encephalopathy* (alters brain function) Low to normal range leukocyte counts* Possible elevated levels of dehydrogenase, bilirubin, transaminase* Anorexia*
Approximately 25%- 66% of Babesia patients are known to be co-infected with Lyme disease. These symptoms may continue for long periods of time, decrease, then return. A low Babesiosis titer (IgG) often indicates a chronic infection.
An acute or current infection may show a higher reading on the IgM test initially. There are over 100 species of Babesia in the United States but only ONE or TWO species are currently checked by commercial labs.
Barbara L. Herwaldt, Paul C. McGovern, Michal P. Gerwel, Rachael M. Easton, Rob Roy MacGregor
Emerg Infect Dis 9(2), 2003. � 2003 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
Posted 02/28/2003 Abstract and Introduction
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The laboratory tests CDC offers for babesiosis, when indicated, include examination of blood smears, hamster inoculation, and PCR[5] for parasitologic diagnosis and an indirect fluorescent antibody assay for total immunoglobulin for serologic diagnosis.[4]
Using PCR for detection of DNA from Babesia spp. has not yet become a routine diagnostic method, and the analysis should be conducted by experienced reference laboratories.
Immunoblot testing for IgG and IgM is investigational. However, an immunoblot test for IgG performed well in a recent evaluation, with a sensitivity of 96% and a specificity of 99%.[10]
A positive serologic result for IgM[11] is insufficient for diagnosis without a positive result for IgG. If the IgM result is positive but the IgG result is negative, a follow-up specimen should be tested.
If IgG seroconversion is not noted, the IgM result likely was a false positive. Future serologic testing might involve recombinant and synthetic antigens[12] rather than whole parasites or soluble antigens.
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I know some of the symptoms for Babs can be similar to Lyme.
I found some info on HHV6 here:dermatology.cdlib.org HHV-6 primarily affects children between 6 months and 2 years.
Maternal antibodies play a role in preventing infection prior to 6 months of age. By 12 months, two-thirds of children have been infected with HHV-6 with peak antibody levels being reached at 2-3 years.
HHV-6 is shed in the saliva. In adults, primary infection with HHV-6 can produce a mononucleosis-like illness; it more rarely causes severe disease, including encephalitis.
This same illness can be caused by HHV6 during reactivation, particularly in immunocompromised persons.[63]
The incubation period of HHV-6 is estimated at 5-15 days, followed by abrupt onset of high fever (39-40� C), cervical lymphadenopathy and mild upper respiratory symptoms.
The fever lasts 3-5 days, after which there is an abrupt defervescence, coinciding with rapid onset (subitum is latin for suddenly) of a rash within 24-48 hours.
The exanthem consists of nonpruritic, rose-pink, 2-3-mm discrete macules and papules that blanch on pressure and are surrounded by white halos. The eruption is first seen on the trunk, then spreads to the neck and extremities.
The rash fully evolves in 12 hours and lasts 1-2 days. Palpebral and periorbital edema (Berliner's sign, heavy eyelids, is quite common.[63]
In addition to RI, HHV-6 has been associated with seizures and in some cases it is unclear whether seizures are secondary to fever or to the HHV-6 infection itself.[64]
There are also rare reports of hepatitis, pneumonitis, neuropathy, meningoencephalitis, thrombocytopenia, intussusception, and encephalopathy having been observed after classic exanthem subitum.[63]
Even though many patients with central nervous system involvement have a normal recovery, chronic neurologic sequelae such as hemiparesis have been reported.[65]
It is postulated that active viral replication occurs in the central nervous system, because the virus has been cultured from the cerebral spinal fluid.[66]
I read somewhere that recently they are of the belief that HHV6 can cause a chronic infection in some individuals.
I don't know if any of this info will help you. Hope so.
Good Luck, Ali
-------------------- Note: I'm NOT a medical professional. The information I share is from my own personal research and experience. Please do not construe anything I share as medical advice, which should only be obtained from a licensed medical practitioner. Posts: 4881 | From Middlesex County, NJ | Registered: Jul 2006
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Beverly
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Hi typhoon_sheri,
I am Lisi's sister above, and yes I needed 2 years of Babesia treatment (steady treatment) just get it under control. My son is also being treated for Babesia and he never had a positive test, but he improved very much with treatment.
Actually there are many people who relapse with Babesia and have to do many rounds to get rid of it, it's not uncommon.
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I had the same thought that keeps running through my head, how can there be a false postive babs ?????
I gone over this with the doc several times and he always states "we'll see".
I did feel much better on the Babs treatment, but he is adament about treating the EBV and HHV6.
Thank you , knew I would get the right info and answers !!!!!!!!!!
PS Once the babs is cleared would the test show negative, with a past infection ?????
Lisa and Bev.........can you PM me with the doc you see in MI ???????? I started with the Fibro and Fatigue and then went to Saginaw......I am now seeing another doc for virals>
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