SForsgren
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I recently purchased a transdermal magnesium product called Dr Shealy's Biogenics (name of product not reference to any Lyme doctor). I was hoping to be able to increase levels of magnesium without more oral and the digestive issues that sometimes come with them.
Unfortunately, I did not like the product. You have to rub 4 teaspoons! of this gel on you per day and then it seems to itch.
Does anyone know of a transdermal magnesium that requires a smaller amount to be applied to get a similar effect. 4 teaspoons rubbing into the skin is just not workable.
Thanks
-------------------- Be well, Scott Posts: 4617 | From San Jose, CA | Registered: Jul 2005
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Uhhh... Magnesium Sulfate. This the form that is injected IM or IV to correct severe Mg deficiencies. Otherwise known an Epsom Salt.
Buy a big bag, pour some into a hot bath, and soak awhile. Pleasant, inexpensive, and doesn't require a prescription. Posts: 714 | From San Antonio TX | Registered: Oct 2004
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I too asked my Doc about transdermal magnesium to save me injecting it but i was informed that magnesium is a water soulble mineral so cannot be absorbed through the skin unless in water -ie by putting mag in bathwater as suggested.
the only thing that helps me in IM & IV mg - the only prob is i'm starting to get lumps from injections site!!!
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just remembered another way i've used to absorb magnesium is by nebulising it. - very effective & avoids the gut problems.
i nebulised 2ml of mag every other day (using a regular nebuliser).
maybe something you could try?
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Carol in PA
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Scott, I bought that product a couple years ago. I applied it to my legs, and I was not happy with it either.
They recommend that you put it on clean skin, but applying it after a shower left me with sticky skin, as if I had been swimming in the ocean. Ugh.
As it was summertime, I was wearing shorts all the time, but it is quite humid here, and the sticky feeling was intolerable.
Next I tried using it as a foot soak, which was recommended to me in an email from the vendor after I ordered the product.
I used a tupperware type container, big enough for my foot, kind of flat, with a lid. I tried that for a couple weeks. I poured a 12 oz. bottle of the mag solution in the container, and put the lid on it when I was finished, until the next time.
Heh, that was kind of a pain also. I'd sit at the computer in the kitchen late in the evening, with one foot in the soak. I put a towel on the floor next to it, to dry off with.
I had to keep getting up and down whenever I wanted something to eat or drink. I was up and down to let the cats in and out the back door.
Thank goodness my hubby didn't walk in and see this...he already thinks I'm nuts.
After doing this an hour a day for a couple weeks, the skin on my foot began to peel. I used that as an excuse to stop, as I wasn't seeing any noticeable results.
Carol
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Melanie Reber
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Good evening Scott,
Darnnit, how dissapointing...I was hoping for some good news from you on this one.
I wish I could put my hands on the product my doc recommended...but can't. I will try to rememer to ask again at my next apt.
I did the epsom, soda bath about a week or so ago, and it actually did cut back the severe foot and calf cramping that wakes me up at night in pain.
But, that only lasted a few days too...so, I am wondering how often one can do this and be ok with it? In other words, can one absorb too much this way?
Thanks for being a quinnea pig
My best, Melanie
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Those middle of the night foot cramps are really horrible, aren't they!
I don't think it is possible to get too much Mg short of injecting it IM or IV in overdose quantities. The adult dose for the injected form is 1 gram 4 times a day just for a reference point. I think the problem for us is getting enough by all means combined.
I doubt there would be a problem with soaking in it as often as you wanted. (Meaning daily, perhaps.) Time permitting, a hot bath sure beats foot cramps all night!
James
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Marnie
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Find the connection between P5P and Mg!!!
You can bet a transdermal Mg (with B vitamins) "patch" is currently being researched.
Because...
Our astronauts undergo "oxidative stress" in space and researchers are trying to figure out how to measure and deliver Mg to the astronauts to help correct this problem.
Low Mg leads to increased oxidative stress and visa versa.
I can link that if you need it. They also return to earth with low PFK levels and anemia (from Skylab).
Once it sinks in that Mg and ONLY Mg is attached to ATP...or is supposed to be (not more reactive aluminum), you will begin to understand the absolute need to restore the Mg-ATP pump.
Ongoing "highish" levels of melatonin don't help with low Mg either. For several reasons, lyme patients aren't "holding onto" Mg and have a problem getting it back INTO the cells.
Which is why IV doses (a Meyer's cocktail) are really needed.
The idea is, "A rising tide lifts all boats."
In other words, we have to flood the system for awhile before orals will suffice.
Finding a doctor willing to do that is another thing, unfortunately.
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Do you have any thoughts on how much Mg can be absorbed by soaking in it?
It is a very attractive option considering the low cost and the fact than ANYBODY has access to it.
As you mentioned, there are other good ways to get your Mg up, but finding a Dr. to do that is very difficult.
Thanks, James
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Marnie
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I don't know...but if you stay in the tub (using a full 4# of epsom salts and a 1# box of baking soda) for a long time (hours, not minutes)...you WILL have diarrhea.
So...the GI system isn't completely avoided via this route.
I've often wondered if activated charcoal...a significant amt. would help.
Note: activated charcoal pulls literally every drug out of the system too. Warning.
The universal remedy of old was:
Mg oxide, tannic acid (a STRONG acid) and activated charcoal.
If you have been following...Mg + acids = hydrogen.
Once it gets INTO the cells, it INactivates PFK (enzyme controlling glycolysis) which theoretically would knock out the sugar -loving pathogens. Then the release of their lipoprotein cell walls (acidic) would need to be countered.
It looks like activated charcoal can do this.
But...keep in mind, Bb is in the MITOCHONDRIA of the cells. So that hydrogen has to REACH Bb.
Hence...CoQ10 to carry the hydrogen INTO the mitochondria...perhaps. CoQ10 looks to work with vitamin E.
I sure wish I could get this down to just a select few cheap nutrient supplements! Too many nutrients are being impacted.
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Source for good transdermal Magnesium - absorbs quickly --- www.springboard4health.com. I use their CoQ10 and Vitamin C transdermals as well. Larry is very knowledgeable.
Posts: 104 | From connecticut | Registered: Jan 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Marnie: I don't know...but if you stay in the tub (using a full 4# of epsom salts and a 1# box of baking soda) for a long time (hours, not minutes)...you WILL have diarrhea.
I think that answers the question. It suggests at least that significaly amounts can be absorbed that way. Perhaps some amount less than that would be 'just right'.
I am recalling that many hot springs that people have soaked in for their health over the centuries contain lots of natural epsom salt.
Posts: 714 | From San Antonio TX | Registered: Oct 2004
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What is ZMA and can a 14 yr. old take it? My son does have spasms and sleep problems. Dosage? Where can it be purchased? Can one take it with Mepron, Zith, and Tindi?
Thanks.
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