My 3.5 yo has been on Cipro for Bart/Ehrlichia for about 6 weeks now. He is starting to have some irritability that is uncharacteristic. I am also noticing that his joints are showing some stiffness that we hadn't seen before. I think these are due to the Cipro and are similar to what I experienced on Levaquin.
My question is, does anyone one know what to give a child for support of these sx? What doses did you use?
My LLMD/Psych told me to take free form Glycine (among other things) for the irritability since it is a precursor to GABA and Levaquin reduces GABA in the brain. I also just remembered today that taking Magnesium, as I do, is advised to prevent tendon damage on this class of abx.
With the Glycine my question is mainly about dose. I can mix it in his juice. With the Magesium the only appropriate form I could find was MagCitrate that is mixed with hot water but then I'm concerned about dose and making his stools too loose. I guess I could feed him more binding foods.
Any help would be much appreciated. We have an apptmt with Dr. J in late March and hopefully with Dr. M the ped Naturopath in mid March.
TIA, Denise
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I simply cannot believe that any doctor on earth has prescribed cipro to a three years old child. It is too dramatic joke about it so I assume it is true.
Cipro and levaquin are nearly identical antibiotics, and belong to the fluoroquinolone class. You should never use it on your child unless there is the proven only way to fight a life threatening BACTERIAL infection.
Your poor little creature has not enough experience in life to know what it is probably happening to him. And how can he/she explain it to you?
Very likely he will be developping eye damage, heart abnormalities, and multiple pains of every sort, specially painful and crippling neuropathies all of which may become irreversible. Longe term Cipro also causes brain fog, brain lesions, brain impairement, neuron death, cognitive and psychocological damage that can last forever. How can your doctor expect that your child is going to explain them to you if perhaps he/she thinks that life is like that. The irritability is probably his response to pain.
Cipro will cause irreversible damage to the musculoskeletal system of your child. It affects the very specialized cells that reside on the tipo of every bone, that are programmed to grow, and that they also normally bear all cartilage cells.
Cipro is forbidden for people under 18 save compasionate cases (death or life, when there is no other antibiotic to resort to). That is the practice in the whole civilized world. ONe big pharma has had to face criminal charges and penalties for testing it on children in Africa. You will only find a few reports of doctors recommending fluoroquinolones on children, and belong to well known cynical doctors on the payroll of manufacturers. Fortunately, almost 100% of reports discard the use of fluoroquinolones on children.
Sorry to be so vehement but yor doctor is either an iliterate or a criminal.
Magnesium will prevent absortion of cipro if you administer it at the same time that cipro, so for the antibiotic to work better it is recommended not to take magnesium with cipro. Taken several hours apart, magnesium may protect slightly from cartilage destruction and tendon necrosis, as well as a little from tendon rupture. If your child is a little stiff is because his/her tendons and muscles have been heavily battered already.
The sooner you stop the treatment, the more probabilities that his young metabolism can recover from all the damage, but the recovery will be measured in term of years. Intellectually the recovery can take many years.
Forget the issue of brain GABA receptors. They are targeted by quinolones, and once there cipro has a half life on the receptors of 18 months. Nothing has been found after 20 years of frantic research to remove cipro from the GABA receptors once they have become so injured that bind strongly to submolecules of cipro. Once reached that state, insomnia, anxiety, depression, and even seizures can develop for years.
I so not know if I have the right to tell you these facts, because they can scare you, but I think you should know them and help you to take a decision with more information to contrast.
If you decide to put your child off fluoroquinolones, you have to be extrmely vigilant for the next 18 months or so, to detect strong symptoms of fluoroquinolone toxicity (that show up along one or two years after exposure), and adopt the palliatiave measures that correspond, in order to mitigate your child's suffering.
You must sue that doctor.
John
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