Ann-OH
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Hi, I don't have the time to check and see if this was posted elsewhere here, so here goes.
Has anyone else received this info? What happened to the Bowen test? Does anyone know these people and this doctor?
I am not trying to advertise for these people. I am very confused and very, very, skeptical. Looks like the old silver "cure" again. I googled "Germslayer" and found it costs over 40 bucks a bottle.
Ann - OH
[quote] Information Dear Physician: Central Florida Research, Inc. is replacing the laboratory operations of Bowen Research and Training Institute, Inc. The new laboratory is located in Lake Alfred at the same location as Bowen Research and Training Institute, Inc., 245 N. Seminole Avenue, Lake Alfred, Florida.
The new Borrelia burgdorferi antigen test Central Florida Research, Inc. will be offering is a much more sensitive test than the Western Blot. A Borrelia burgdorferi fluorescent antibody is used to detect the antigen in whole blood. The test is set up manually and read by Flow Cytometry.
The Flow Cytometer can count the number of organisms in 100,000 events in 2 minutes and 50,000 in 1 minute. To visually count the organisms in 100,000 events or 50,000 events using a microscope would be almost an impossibility.
The Flow Cytometer counts the number of all events passing through the aperture and enumerates the organisms that react with the antibody. The test result will be reported as a percent of the counted events.
This test detects the antigen or spirochete in the blood. The antigen may not be present in the sample tested if there are very few spirochetes within the blood or if they are in some other organ of the body.
Therefore, a negative test does not mean the patient does not have Lyme disease. It means that we were unable to detect Borrelia burgdorferi in the specimen.
The test was compared using our instrumentation and the instrumentation of our Flow Cytometer supplier.
The test also was compared using Western Blot. However, this could not be used exclusively, as the Western Blot has only a 60% to 70% accuracy for Lyme disease.
Data on 56 of the samples evaluated showed 97% of the tests that tested negative by Flow Cytometry were negative by Western Blot. 86% of the Western Blot positive tests were positive by Flow Cytometry.
Only 29% of the tests positive by Flow Cytometry were positive by Western Blot. This was expected because the antibody may not be present in a person with Lyme disease.
We feel this test will be a valuable aid for the physician in the diagnosis of Lyme and other diseases when used with symptoms and other tests for Borrelia burgdorferi.
March 01, 2007
Dear Lyme Support Group Coordinator/Leader,
As you probably have heard, Central Florida Research, Inc.--an approved Lab--has developed a new Lyme antigen test using flow cytometry. This new test, the only one of its kind, is important because it not only confirms the presence of Bb in human (or animal) blood samples...it also quantifies the extent of infection.
As part of the certification process, a patient using Germ Slayer, from Aluwe LLC, was tested pre-treatment and again after 60 days on this Germ Slayer protocol.
The post-test indicated a dramatic Bb count reduction in the patient's blood sample. The Lab director is restricted from publishing these results, since they were determined pre-certification. However, his quote to the patient's supervising physician was that this reduction in Bb was significantly greater than with any other protocol ever measured.
A summary of the patient's clinical case study appears in the Press release, below.
Please read it.
Then--please contact me to discuss what we can to together, with this information, to help Lyme patients improve their health and quality of life.
For several months we have had patients on a new protocol for Lyme Disease--and it is working! This is one case history: a 40 year old male Lyme patient was diagnosed 2 years ago with ALS. He had the highest borrellia ever measured on a flow cytometry test. He had been wheelchair-bound for 18 months and then bedridden because he was unable to walk. He had lost his ability to speak intelligibly and had only a short time to live.
We tested his markers using Flow Cytometry and then started his regimen of Germ Slayer at 2 oz 4 times per day for 8 weeks. At the end of that period, he had the ``best improvement of any protocol tested by Flow Cytometry''. At two months, he was able to stand unassisted and walk 18 steps. It had been 15 months since he was able to have mobility! There were also dramatic improvements in OT, PT, and speech therapy.
Germ Slayer is a breakthrough in production technology of nano-particle size silver that stays in a fluid state within the body for up to four hours. There are no side effects except during the initial start up as Germ Slayer attacks existing virus and bacteria. The Herxheimer reaction may be severe, but minimized by titrating dosage to symptoms for 1-2 weeks. Germ Slayer has no contra-indications and can be used in conjunction with traditional antibiotic treatments and other medications.
There is no known medical downside risk to this protocol. There are thousands of patients using Germ Slayer and now more than 50 Lyme patients experiencing significant clinical symptom improvement.
Would you like to partner with us in beginning a new non-pharmaceutical treatment alternative for Lyme patients, we would. We request that you refer us to Lyme patients who want to get off antibiotics and improve their quality of life. For more information on treatment protocol, medical implications and results to date, please contact via e-mail our Medical Director, J Luke Lentz, MD via e-mail -- [email protected].
Help us help the victims of Lyme to a new quality of life with this new breakthrough resulting in a totally new protocol. [end quote]
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Well, I don't know what to make of this. Worried that this is entirely different approach from what Bowen was doing, and as you probably know Dr. Whittaker retired due to ill health and age. This is a different outfit.
Is this flow cytometer thing going to be able to find antigens in blood when spirochetes are tissue-trophic? What about cysts, L forms, etc? I am afraid it is faster and easier to do and that may be its main attraction. Think they are looking for a different method because microscope work is so time consuming. Hope I am wrong, and that it is going to be useful.
Don't like them having anything to do with the germslayer product. It definitely does look like a variation on the old silver cure. This is a very bad idea to have the lab saying anything about therapy. Not their job.
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Germ Slayer is not connected in any way to the old Bowen or The New test by Central Florida Research Laboratory. The Qrib is no longer Available and was never approved ...Please check out the link to Central Florida Research at the bottom of my post....again They are not connected with Germslayer or any other product being sold..other than there CLIA and State of Florida approved test.
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Thank you for this clarification. I got the impression they were associated because of the contents of Ann's post. Not sure how they got hooked up together. Pleased that there is no association with germslayer and the lab.
Willing to wait and see on the new test.
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This is a long way from the 100% that the Bowen test said they had. After all those years and years, and thousands of patients taking the test and donating to Bowen for it, this sure doesn't seem to carry out the promise.
[quote from website cited by Greg] Only 29% of the tests positive by Flow Cytometry were positive by Western Blot. This was expected because the antibody may not be present in a person with Lyme disease.[end quote]
Since this is a blood test and going for spirochete or antigen, it doesn't seem to me to be any better a method than what we already have with the other tests.
An urine antigen test seems to me would be more accurate than this one, as the organism doesn't like to hang out in oxygenated areas such as blood and perhaps would be more likely to be found in urine as the kidney processes and casts off the dead spirochetes or antigens.
If the test has nothing to do with the silver, this is sure a pretty slick PR job.
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If only 29% of the positive tests were picked up by Western Blot then this test picked up 71% more positives then the WB.
What the above tells me is that this could be a very important test to track your progress (borrelia antigen levels) whether on antibiotics, Buhner, Marshall, Siver, etc.
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I'm remember reading sometime ago about people taking those silver products, and the silver would remain in the body and build up as the person kept taking the silver.
Pretty much, I was told it can be toxic.
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I don't understand the relationship between the three letters in Ann's post. Were they all from the same source or from two sources, as it appears: one from FL and two from the germslayer people using the name of the FL lab. Someone needs to ask the FL lab whether they know this is being done. In the past, a silver selling company was using Dr. Burgdorfer's name in their advertising as if he had approved of this method of treating lyme, which was untrue.
I can't find germslayer mentioned on the lab's website. So, it doesn't look like they are promoting a silver treatment.
The new test and the new lab are not Bowen, but a successor, the former owner of Bowen having retired. Think the new lab wishes to avoid the extreme labor intensive nature of their previous microscope work. I am sorry to lose that as it is nearly impossible to find any lab that will do microscope work anymore.
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Hi Ann Just wondering where did you get the slick PR job from? Was it sent to you as an email? I had not seen this until I read your post. CFR has nothing to do with this company and did not approve this release.
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