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I am a bit embarassed about this topic, but I wonder if other leadies have found a way to alleviate this problem,apparently whan I have my period my immune system sinks and the beasts wake up in great numbers, (and I am not talking herx). Any ideas?
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dontlikeliver
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I'm sorry, I don't know what a 'pousse' is, can you please explain?
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quote:Originally posted by dontlikeliver: I'm sorry, I don't know what a 'pousse' is, can you please explain?
``pousse" (which is French for ``push").
Sounds like yeast can flare but I would say with lyme its hormonal and herxing?
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sorry, pousse is flare of ALL symptoms...
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Yes, many of us of the female type flare big time at menses. I get horibbly sick (beyond my normal level of sick), before and during my period.
Let's see that leaves two weeks of feeling like I am sorta dying instead of really wanting to die.
Sorry for the negative post. I am so damn sick of this disease!!!!!!
But sea....... this is not unusal to feel the way you do at period time.
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Seewater -- these monthly flares have been noted quite frequently here on lymenet. There is something that happens during that time with the 'beasts' (very descriptive) where they seem to be more active. Maybe a replication cycle or something to do with the cycle of the immune system.
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My LLMD said that just prior to and during your period the immune system dampens down, thus allowing the bugs to flare up.... which accounts for the flare in symptoms. Not alot you can do about it, until the bacterial load lessens and you gradually begin to feel better. So yes, it only really leaves about 2 weeks (or less) when you feel half human !!! It is the same kind of thing that happens during stress - your immune system is weakened and your symptoms flare.
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Maybe you could go back and change the pousee in your title so more people will know what you mean?
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My symptoms often become almost vicious a few days before my period until and intensify until about a week after the cylce is over .
I am no expert , but my theory is that the bacteria ( which reputedly replicates every 28 days ) is relpicating at the time of the period , and my immune system is stepping up to slaughter , which results in intensified herx symptoms that are always the same for me.
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my left bicep starts hurting a week before my period, has been like this ever since i got sick.
I went without a period from june06- feb07 and didnt have the bicep pain.
The first two days of my period I am ok, but then symptoms get worse.
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The lyme bacteria duplicates every 12-24 hours not days...
My flares are after my period and my doc says this is due to a regeneration of the immune system that happens every 28 days...immune system is strongest after your period....new immune cells cells mean a big war.
Hang in there, Kim
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yes, and I get extreme intolerance to what I preceive as stupidity....yeah, Lyme rage flares.
I'm much less volatile now since treatment. Not physco woman. My "ms type" symptoms do flare just before though, but lessening, again, since treatment.
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I see nobody has found a remedy to alleviate this. My general dr, (who has no notion of lyme and when she sees me in the waiting room goes white in the face) has told me that during the period, hormones play up and the immune system is deppressed. I was wondering if there is a way to tame a bit the hormones, maybe pms medication would help... Men seem to have an advantage here...
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Yes, men do seem to have an advantage and I have wondered if bringing on menopause early or having a sex-change might help Posts: 2824 | From The Back of Beyond | Registered: Oct 2003
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its funny but this morning my lyme brain just remembered somethhing that used to happen to me.
I used to get my period everytime I got sick, or I got sick mostly with my period.
I remember when I was younger, I had a very bad bought of chicken pox, i got my period 3 days later. Same with bronchitis ive had. It would make sense the period does something to my immune system.
Ive often thought about a sex change too ;-)
seems men get well faster with this thing, and dr dont look at them like they have 10 heads.
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We have found Seasonalle; a birth control pill that limits periods to once every 3 months.
This has helped mood swings during ovulation; and miserable PMS and periods. My daughter had a hard time like 15 days a month and now maybe 2 or 3.
Years ago, a family member went on the traditional pill to regulate severe symptoms and it was a big help.
I googled Seasonalle but can't find the exact ingredients in it or much info about it....
have you noticed any ill-effects or side effects from it?
I am seriously considering a trial period (excuse the pun!) on the pill, as my periods make my lyme-life even more hellish....but am concerned about messing with hormones and the effects this could have on the bugs!
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It has to do with 4 hormone levels - Estrogen, esp.
Estrogen (patches) are used to treat prostate cancer, the "flip" is true for women...to combat cancer, they are given testosterone and estrogen levels are lowered.
Tamoxifen, a breast cancer drug, specifically targets estrogen-dependent breast cancer cells. It works as a PKC inhibitor. These protein kinase C inhibitors cause CELL DEATH. The idea is to target infected (DNA damaged) cells and make them die.
Both sexes have BOTH estrogen and testosterone, just in different amts.
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is similar.
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While estrogen also helps keep calcium IN bones, once again the "adage" too much is not a good thing...esp. in the presence of genetic (DNA) damage.
Same with testosterone levels in men. Protective from many respects, but too much isn't good either.
HRT...hormone replacement therapy is a double-edge sword. Good in some respects (help prevent osteoporosis), bad in others (breast cancer).
Our own bodies, as we age, normally "adjust" levels of many hormones...for PROTECTIVE reasons.
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about this pill, it would be great not to have a period for 3 months but I think Dr B said that contraceptive pill is contraindicated for lyme, as the hormones in them create problems...
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hormones work for some people but for me I can trace one of my worst relpases back to the day I started low dose hormones for heavy periods.
My lyme symptoms do flare before & durning my period. To date have not found anything that helps (other than danilion tea...which is a natural directic...which only helps a very little.
I do empathize I really do
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I have the same two week flare and I too started to get colds like clockwork around that time of the month! I was diagnosed with PCOS last year when I was being referred from specialist to specialist.
I was told that all of my symptoms were hormonal or in my head. Isn't it sad that when Drs can't explain something they blame it on your hormones or want to send you to therapy or send you out of the office with an RX for an anti-depressant? (Not knocking therapy or meds for depression. When they're needed, they're needed. Just frustrated with what I refer to as my MD merry-go-round).
I'm glad to finally see that I'm not alone in the hormonal sea, although I wish we weren't there at all!
Do the flares related to your cycle get less and less as you get better?
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