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Claire, I agree that there is some factor here that allows one person to become symptomatic from Lyme, and the next person remains healthy. How often have we seen this right here on LymeNet where an asymptomatic spouse comes back with a strongly positive Igenex test!?
The author of the Homeopathic Treatment of Lyme book says that 250,000 people in Germany are infected with Lyme Disease every year, and yet very few of them actually get ill. This confirms what we see here in the USA.
The author gives us more evidence:
quote:I myself can remember, within the last 15 years having had an erythema migrans develop three times - once, 15 years ago, even with a hard swelling of the surrounding lymph nodes and an edematous engorgement of the underlying tissue. In all three instances I merely watched and waited, without treating myself specifically, or going for treatment.
I would certainly not recommend this procedure to anyone else - just show this to someone sick with Lyme Disease! - I must note at this point that until today I have not suffered any Lyme symptoms. This confirms the general experience, that even with erythema migrans, which is taken to be a telltale sign of Lyme Disease, there is still no reason to get sick in every case....
Wow.
When it comes to these ``odd connections'' that we see in homeopathy - such as the connection between Lyme and Tetanus in my case - I'm finding that this is actually the rule rather than the exception. It is these connections that tell the ``story'' of the person and can help the homeopath determine the remedy.
Can mainstream medicine do this? No, because docs treat each individual ailment as if it were an isolated incident.
Thanks for sharing the ``mystery toxin- allergy'' theory, as interpreted by the NAET people. Interesting, although one might ask what brought about the allergy in the first place? I've heard mixed reviews about NAET - some people swear by it.
In homeopathy, allergies are viewed as part of the whole symptom picture, not as causes for illness. And allergies can be very difficult to contend with in some cases from what I have read.
So, elimination of chicken, eggs, and feathers is the treatment, or is there some ``remedy'' they give to treat the allergy? How does this work?
You said:
quote:Also... we believe that my daughter ate some moldy bread (long story) right before getting chicken pox. And she never gained complete health after that. Lyme sx began appearing within a year or so.
Claire, this is a very important ``symptom'' in homeopathy! It is called the ``never well since.....'' syndrome, or more often referred to as ``ailments from ....... ''. It is often very helpful to the homeopath! And you have to give yourself credit for recognizing the connection there because in the allopathic world of medicine, no doctor would think that your statement had any importance at all. But it does.
As you said, ``No one can ever draw perfect connections between things... but these are observations that seem worth noting.''
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Tracy, I know a lady, almost 70 now, that got a huge rash on the tick bite many many years ago (about 15-20 years??). At that time, no one knew about lyme. Of course, she didn't treat herself.
She's gotten a few bites here and there, exactly in the same area as my infected bite here in Switzerland.
She never developed the disease either. She's still riding horses at this age, without any equipment sometimes!! No saddle!! She works outside whole day, sometimes, doing heavy work, etc, most of the time in contact with nature and ticks. Without any single repellent.
Here, there are kids in my neighborhood that are bitten every summer. Last summer, her mom told me: "Funny, this year was a good year for ticks as my kids came with only 3-4 ticks the whole year". They're having innumerous bites since childhood, and no sickness in view.
Her kids were not almost not vaccinated, drink unpasteurized milk from local cows, etc. I don't think she uses repellent on them nor on herself.
My daughter got 3 bites her whole life, and got sick. I got a single bite, and got sick. So....
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Wow, Selma - you illustrated the point very well that there is SOMETHING that causes Lyme "sickness" other than just exposure to the Bb bacteria!
And it makes me a little crazy to think that with the right preventative homeopathic remedies AFTER you got your tick bite, you would not be here on this board!
This author claims years of success - with not one case of a tick bite causing Lyme symptoms - using his "after tick bite homeopathic preventative treatment". I can't remember if I posted it here or not! I'll have to look....
If I didn't post it, I will find it and post it for everyone...
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Hi folks...a few thoughts. First, Janet Wais and others have done genetic studies in mice and it looks like your response to borrelia burgdorferi (inflammatory response) is very specifically related to genetic variation, very complex (ie many variants of response).
OTOH, there are forms of lyme--depending on the OspC--that ONLY give a rash and never proceed to systemic illness, because of the type of OspC.
AND there are coinfections and some of those are very difficult (babesia etc) and there is probably a genetic response. And the ecological niches for coinfections are very small--as small as a single yard, actually! Because mice don't move much from their place of birth, and even deer don't usually travel more than a mile from their place of birth. So neighbors down the block may or may not have the same ticks in their yard as you do (in terms of infections)
Beyond that, I do agree your toxic load really matters.
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I looked up some links on homeopath Cindee Gardner and lyme:
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I did not get a chance to read all replies, but I suspect I will be in the absolute minority here.
I am just as sick as all of us here, and I am just as desperate to get cured, or at least to get a relief. Being desperate is prone to be taken advantage of.
But I happen to be a scientist.
The dilutions that homeopathy is said to use leaves no active ingredient in the solution, since the smallest unit of a substance is a single molecule. I am saying "is said" because I took this information from online sources. So I guess I should say "if they indeed dilute their ingredients by that much, no active ingredient in left the solution".
Of course, in this case one has to "believe" in existence of molecules - but that "belief" is based on millions of reproducible experiments, and this is a good as we can do in our nderstanding of the world at this point.
After all, scienice is what gave us all antibiotics, HBOT chambers, etc.
Before science came about (say, mid-1850?) medicine was based on belief, and the life expectancy was 40.
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I would like to add that I do not mean that all alternative medicine is a hoax, and that everything that is not based on science is a hoax. Active ingredients used in chinese medicine have been shown to have an effect, and can be purified and perhaps isolated as a defined substance.
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Hi there run... I write about science sometimes. I spoke with a biophysicist a few years ago who was amazed that when manipulating the arms of the molecule that creates taxol, which stops cell division, (he was trying to create a better drug) he was dealing in angstroms--for instance, 5 angstroms. He said therefore that he had to admit that maybe the theory of Penrose & Hameroff had some possibility of being true--quantum effects in the brain.
I have no idea whether homeopathy works or is a sophisticated form of smoke and mirrors that utilizes the placebo effect (which is powerful) and retrospective narrative re-interpretation. However, it is possible that the signature of a molecule is more complicated than we realize and if so, homeopathy might work.
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To Truthfinder (Tracy): Thanks for starting this thread. I am truly enjoying all of the different thoughts coming out as it develops.
Interesting: "...that there is SOMETHING that causes Lyme "sickness" other than just exposure to the Bb bacteria!"
To Claire, Luvs, TNJanet, Mo, Vanilla, OxygenBabe, BeJoy, HardyNaka: So many interesting thoughts. And shared with so much kindness and respect!
HardyNaka: Your comment about 'chasing the mouse' aren't necessarily encouraging, but I'm glad you shared it.
And I wonder from time to time, if placebo's 'work' ... then, why don't we use them?
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Wow, some terrific posts here and I'd love to explore some of them further.... but it has to be later since I'm out of time for this morning.
I'm putting together a list of 'after tick bite homeopathic prevention protocols' from several homeopaths to see how they compare.
Geographical location sometimes makes a difference on homeopathic treatment and prevention of "epidemics", and no one is sure exactly why..... so I thought I'd see what is out there, and from what part of the world.
Runcy, thanks for taking the time to come here and post. Maybe you can help me out with something. So, here's a question for you (should you choose to come back to this thread):
Runcy, what would it take for a scientist like yourself to believe that there is something to this homeopathy thing? What evidence would convince you?
I'm going to re-post an article originally brought to LymeNet last December by Karatelady. I think it bears repeating on this thread.
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Groundbreaking new research has just been revealed that establishes the validity of homeopathy. It's being called the "holy grail" of homeopathy, and it has been published in the peer reviewed journal Inflammation Research.
The study shows that a chemical dissolved in a solution (in such proportions that not even a single molecule of the original chemical could exist in the water) exhibits verifiable, scientifically proven biological effects. What this proves is that homeopathy is real.
There's something about the homeopathic water that is different from regular water, and the biological effects are undeniable and easy to verify.
This, of course, is not new information for those who have been practicing homeopathy for many years, or to those who are familiar with holistic medicine, vibrational medicine, or other forms of medicine that go beyond the rather narrow definitions currently defended by conventional medicine.
But of course, it is big news to many doctors, physicians, and western medical researchers, who have for decades insisted that homeopathy is quackery and that believing in homeopathy is the same as believing in magic.
They say that water could not possibly exhibit a biological effect if it did not contain a single molecule of a biologically active substance. But now, of course, the science is quite real, and this isn't the first study to show that homeopathy is proven.
There have been other studies -- well-documented and well-constructed -- that also show the same effect. But these studies have been routinely ignored, and even shut out by medical journals simply because no one can quite explain how homeopathy works.
To understand why this is such an important breakthrough in modern medicine, we have to go back to the 1800's and take a look at the origin of the so-called germ theory and how it relates to the invention of the microscope and the realization that disease could be spread by invisible microscopic creatures.
Today the germ theory is accepted as real and verifiable. But that's only because scientists and doctors can readily see these germs using microscopes.
Before microscopes were invented, any doctor who proposed that disease could be caused by a doctor not washing his hands and touching two patients in sequence would have been called a lunatic or a quack.
In fact, doctors did not engage in any sort of hand washing for the purpose of preventing the spread of disease until the germ theory became accepted.
The accidental father of the germ theory, a Hungarian physician known as Dr. Semmelweis, was fired and ostracized from the medical community in the mid 1800's for even proposing the idea that disease was caused by invisible, microscopic, undetectable organisms.
In fact, after fighting to publicize the truth about microorganisms for fifteen years, Semmelweis was declared insane by doctors and committed to an insane asylum. (Sounds a lot like modern medicine, doesn't it?)
In other words, in the history of medicine, doctors and researchers didn't believe in the germ theory for one simple reason: they couldn't see the germs. There was no way they could detect these germs, so in their minds, they didn't exist.
As a result, they continued to practice outdated medical procedures which actually resulted in the spread of germs from one patient to another.
Here's how this applies to homeopathy: today, the scientific evidence proves that homeopathy really works. No sane, rational person could deny it after reviewing the evidence proving the biological activity of homeopathic water.
But instead of denying the existence of homeopathy on the grounds that it doesn't work, modern doctors and researchers deny it based on the rather feeble idea that they don't understand the mechanism by which it might work.
That is, they don't know how it works, and therefore it must not be true. And that's about as intelligent as saying "We don't know how gravity works, therefore, there is no such thing as gravity."
Granted, homeopathy is somewhat mysterious. It is curious in the way that it works through the use of subtle energies. Apparently, water has a memory, and there's a fantastic book on this called The Memory of Water that will show you in great detail, with colorful pictures, exactly how water is reshaped by different energetic and emotional vibrations.
It's all quite real -- water takes on a different molecular structure when it is prayed over versus when angry people shout at it. Now, if you take a substance like the one used in this study, which was histamine, and you put a drop of histamine in a glass of pure, distilled water, that water, of course, contains a solution of histamine.
But if you dilute that by taking one drop out of that entire glass and putting it into another glass of water, then you have another mixture of water that is diluted by a factor of 100 or more.
If you do that over and over again and follow a sequence of increasing dilutions, you end up with a solution of water that has no molecules of histamine in it whatsoever.
But, as this study shows, this water retains the memory of histamine, and when this water is given to a biological system, such as a person or an animal, it will produce effects that are attributed to the histamine and that are clinically observable and quite unique to the vibration of histamine.
Of course there are many skeptics out there who will continue to say there is no such thing as homeopathy. They will deny the clinical evidence that's put right in front of their faces, and even if they were to conduct these experiments on their own and produce the exact same verifiable scientifically proven results, they would continue to deny it. Why is that?
It's because they don't understand it, and they don't have the imagination or creativity to suppose that nature might hold some surprises for us yet. They are people who represent the epitome of mankind's arrogance.
They think they understand everything there is to know about the way the universe works, and that nature is apparent and nothing new will be learned. They think that if you can't see it, it doesn't exist, and thus I wonder how they even believe in gravity or electromagnetism or quantum physics, for that matter.
Nevertheless, the end result of this is that the amazing James Randi will probably end up being $1 million poorer because he has been so foolish as to offer a $1 million reward to the first person who can prove the scientific validity of homeopathy.
Well, apparently this proof has already been completed, and now it will probably be a game of continued denials from James Randi in order to avoid paying out the $1 million reward. He will probably say, "Okay, the lab results look solid, but until you can explain how it works, it's not proven."
And that's how he will deny actually paying the claim to people who have now scientifically proven that homeopathy is real -- something Randi adamantly insists is untrue.
By the way, to comment more on good science, kudos go out to the editor of Inflammation Research, a medical journal that has demonstrated the courage to publish a pioneering paper that most other medical journals would have rejected.
And this again speaks to the closed-circle, dogmatic attitude of most peer reviewed medical journals. They define the so-called truths of modern science and modern medicine by selecting those studies and papers that support their current beliefs.
[Gee, does this sound like the IDSA or what?]
Simultaneously, they reject all papers that challenge those beliefs, and that's how things that are true but unconventional (such as homeopathy) can be kept out of the minds of modern doctors and researchers.
But this journal, Inflammation Research, was willing to publish a pioneering paper, and at the same time, the researchers involved in this study -- none of which were from the United States, by the way -- are also to be applauded for their willingness to venture beyond the strict confines of conventional medicine and explore the way the universe really works.
Let's face it, folks -- as men and women on this planet, we are but children. We are all students of the universe, just attempting to understand the way things work... and barely scratching the surface in doing so.
We know so little about the universe and about the way subtle energies operate. I don't think there's a single person alive today who truly understands the simple interaction of tabletop magnets, for one thing.
I don't think there's anyone alive today who understands quantum physics, and who can really explain how it is that the entire universe is made up of probability waves of vibrating energy rather than physical matter.
I don't think there's anyone who can really explain or understand how light can be both a particle and a wave at the same time, depending on how you look at it.
I don't think people can explain how properties of spinning subatomic particles can be instantly teleported from one place to another, regardless of the distance, without requiring any time whatsoever.
I don't think people can explain how prayer alters the health outcome of patients, even when the patients aren't aware that they are being prayed for. (This is called "non-local medicine.")
These are just some of the many mysteries that continue to present opportunities for open-minded, smart thinkers to explore.
Fortunately, there are some scientists who continue to be open-minded, and who are willing to ask these questions of nature, because that's what a true scientist does -- they ask questions of nature and they listen to whatever responses come back.
People like Dr. Stephen Barrett and James Randi are not scientists at all. They are, in every sense, feeble-minded skeptics who probably don't even believe in their own souls. I bet they didn't see this one coming -- homeopathy is real, folks.
It's been proven, and it's been proven in a way that meets the most demanding requirements of the scientific method. If you are a true scientist, and you review the available studies on homeopathy, you either have to conclude that homeopathy is real, or you have to conclude that every law of science and truth upon which modern medicine is based is invalid.
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The study they refer to was originally published August 19, 2004. The name of this article is Homeopathy breakthrough: homeopathic solutions proven to carry memory of water and exhibit biological effects .
The Inflammation Research journal may not allow public access to their articles. Many medical and scientific journals do not.
Also, bear in mind that I seriously doubt if the original research paper was done in the U.S. I suspect this comes from Europe somewhere.
Tracy
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Emotions are another good example. I can't explain how this works mechanistically, but there can be a transformative effect even with the simple act of someone smiling at me when I am walking down the street.
Emotions themselves can fall into the realm of energy medicine,(and which may be behind the power of 'prayer') as well as contributing to disease, depending on which emotions are involved.
Claire
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digressing to more mundane issues for a moment...
I am not quite sure what exactly the process is behind NAET, but I think that the body can create a hyper-response to a particular food or substance that is more 'energetic' (there is that word again) in nature. So NAET uses energy techniques to clear that hyper-reactiveness. My daughter `appears' much stronger since treating for ergot and chicken. She will treat for vitamin D (which I suspected was a problem), because it is such an important vitamin.
But honestly, I don't recommend this as it is too early to tell, and there was an earlier failure with NAET. I view allergies as a symptom... I have seen a reduction in my own allergies, and ability to process different minerals etc., with our LD rx. We will not stop using this rx.
I know that homeopathy looks at the presenting symptom picture and then chooses a remedy based on a substance that would show a similar pattern if taken in large quantities. This is how it could address a possible precipitating event along with other things if there are lingering symptoms from that event. And in this regard, it becomes more holistic.
Maybe one key factor in unraveling LD is determining the `never been well since...' phenomenon. My daughter did have low grade issues before the `moldy food/chicken pox episode'( ) controlled by limiting foods she was allergic to. But that may have been the event that pushed things over the edge.
Lyme may not be lyme without other co-factors?
I agree, Ruth, that this has been informative, with some really thoughtful contributions.
Claire
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Tree said: by the way guys and gals tree is a He not a she
Oh...that explains it
just kiddin'
Runcy, Thanks for your input. I wanted to share that I was told by my MD/certified homeopath that the energy is all that is left in the solution and that that energy is what works in the body. Kind of like when you stick your finger in water and cause a ripple effect. You can pull your finger out but the ripple continues and grows in size and number.
It certainly seems like strange medicine, but I can give my honest testimony that it helped me on so many levels and the cure, so far, (18 mths)is complete. What was cured were migraines I had suffered weekly for 10 yrs (since first Lyme bout) Also short term memory loss (also about 10 yrs) and mental confusion (8 mths duration)
It is great though to have you question and investigate with your background.
Thanks.
Luvs
Anyway, Truth answered it even better.
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RUTH, I just read your answer now. "Chasing the mouse" because you need to find a good homeopathic doctor to discover your substance of the moment. Alone, is really hard. And you need to keep changing, either potency or substance to make it always work. Not a diccouragement, just the way it is.
CLAIRE: have you seen the article Tracy posted (Cindy Gardner)? She said that one should keep changing dosage, that's exactly what my classic homeopath does, or the medicine loses effectiveness.
My lyme doctor also does that, but he uses muscle test to find out potency and substances.
I have the exact impression Gardner says, that same potency stuff works for about maximum 3 weeks, then loses effectiveness.
That's why for home made "serve for everything" homeopathic 'medicines', I would just mix a few potencies to try to get it right , so that I don't have to be going to the homeopath to treat, let's say, an insect sting, colds, coughs... That's how Similasan products work (and many work well on my child!!).
My classic homeopath is though a non-believer on these over-the-counter products, but I am (not on all Similasan products, but on the colds/cough, they work!). Skin rash and tummy problems don't usually work in my experience.
TRACY: thanks for posting that article on Gardner. Very interesting. I took many of the substances in her list, plus others (like dulcamara for chills).
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O.K. Here's my two cents.
Took no offense to the discussion of "religion" as it has become referred to. Interesting experiences shared by many people here.
Let me say that I am in the South, that I am a practicing Catholic, and my husband is a practicing Muslim, of the NON fundamentalist sort. Never in our 20 years of marriage has he EVER forced a belief on me.
But recently I was sitting on a table of a homeopath having colonics done, and while she was massaging my abdomen to facilitate cleansing, she told me she had read "a book" on the history of Islam and Mohammad. Then proceeded to tell me slimy things about Mohammad's motivations with the religion, stuff I know is NOT true, but she declared was true because "she read it in this book."
I couldn't even respond. I just thought that the person had NO skill for critical thinking, evaluating sources, or sense of being appropriate during an appointment. It was very disruptive to my purpose for being there. And yes, she knew of my husband's faith.
I believe this is what is NOT welcome that all of you are talking about. Right! :-)
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Don't think I could imagine a more inappropriate experience with a practitioner if I tried...
It is a shame you had to suffer through that.
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I'm still working on my list of Lyme prevention protocols. I'm waiting to hear back from one homeopathic lab on a specific remedy, and then I can post what I have.
Oxygenbabe, are you saying that the IDSA is even wrong about the fact that an EM rash is indicative of a Lyme infection? I honestly thought it was!
Fortunately, when it comes to co-infections, it is not terribly important to know which co-infections you do or do not have if you are being treated by a homeopath. While it is always helpful to have a ``name'' for any disease or ailment that is troubling you, it is certainly not essential. Even if you have no idea what is wrong with you, the remedies given are based upon the presenting symptoms.
Bejoy, thanks so much for posting the links to Cindee's articles. I did go back and re-read the first one as it has been awhile. Plus, I did not remember that Cindee did phone and online consulting - good to know.
Runcy, you are absolutely right: in potencies over a 12C (or a 24x), there is not a single molecule of the original substance left in the remedy. (Avogardro's Number - law of chemistry) I can certainly appreciate your skepticism.
But it gets even weirder than that.
It isn't just about the original substance alone. If you were simply to dilute these substances, say 1 part substance to 99 parts water as in the ``C'' or centesimal potencies, and do that 12 times, you would have a 12C ``potion''.
I say potion because without the process of ``succession'' or ``potentization'' that has to be done after each dilution, you get nothing. You don't get a homeopathic remedy - you just get water, basically. Succussion is simply the pounding or hard shaking of the mixture a certain number of times before the next dilution is done.
Here's an article from back in December. I got lost trying to read it. Maybe some of you more scientific types can decipher it - something about photons....:
RuthRuth, I had to laugh, but this is a terrific question, and a terrific answer when the topic of ``placebo effect'' is raised:
quote:And I wonder from time to time, if placebo's 'work' ... then, why don't we use them?
Selma, you mentioned changing potencies and dosages; this is something I'm learning about as I go along. It appears that different homeopaths have certain approaches to this, and I'm trying to understand how it all works.
Four things are critical, not just the right remedy: Remedy, potency, dosage, and how often a dose is repeated. This is jut one reason why it is almost impossible to treat yourself for complicated ailments like Lyme.
I may have to try some of the mixed remedy/ multiple potency over-the-counter products for colds. I never have. Colds can be very hard to figure out, I found! But once you get the right remedy, you are nearly well almost immediately. Ask my boyfriend. He became a believer after treatment for just one cold.
Mary, I think I went a bit overboard with my post about the Masonic thing. So, hope that wasn't too offensive. I run into so many people who are convinced that this homeopathy thing just has to be connected to the occult or paganism in some form. As a Christian myself, I understand the concern.
I'm not exactly sure why a homeopath was giving you a colonic....? but I agree that she stepped way outside the bounds of professionalism. You are right - this type of thing should never happen with any kind of practitioner.
Here's a question I wish someone could answer for me:
Why is it that someone with a headache takes Tylenol and when they still have a headache, they say ``Tylenol doesn't work'', so they get some other pain reliever. But the same person might buy a homeopathic remedy from the health food store for their headache, and if it doesn't help they will say, ``Homeopathy doesn't work!'' and they will never try any homeopathic remedies again.
I don't get it.
Tracy
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Oh, and what about that "placebo effect" thing?
I would almost consider that if not for the fact that homeopathics work on lab animals and pets - creatures that have no idea they are being given ANYTHING.
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I think of people that try and get a result from homeopathy and alternative treatments as people who "count the teeth in the horses mouth".
I once read that historians were puzzled as to why in ancient Greece they would have great debates on how many teeth were in a horses mouth when they could simply look. It probably was just an academic exercise done for entertainment but we do the same thing today disguised as science.
There always have been a group of people that are short sighted,dishonest or just disingenuous. They often debate furiously on the amount of room in the horses mouth and the amount of teeth in different creatures mouth's but do not simply count the teeth to see how many there are.
This is how you can come to the conclusion that only so many teeth will theoretically fit into the horses mouth when counting them reveals a different answer.
This is how many treatments are totally discarded. Instead of a honest test to see if it produces the desired results there are reams of research on why it cannot possibly work. Great debates take place on the subject and huge amounts of money is spent showing how chemically, or using some other branch of science it is not possible. I personally like the statement "there is no known mechanism of action". Like the last word was written on "mechanisms of action" thousands of years ago. This is the equivalent of saying that the horse does not have `as many teeth as you count because it is not scientifically possible.
The bottom line is we need to "count the teeth in the horses mouth" and then figure out why it has that many later on. Especially when there is no risk involved.
I believe that is where the term "strait from the horses mouth" came from. But, I cannot prove it scientifically.
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Great analogy, D Bergy.
At this point, I'm not sure we're even at the stage of agreement that it's a horse.
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Thats O.K.
I don't like horses anyway.
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Okay, here is a cross-section of after-tick-bite Homeopathic Lyme Prevention suggestions from various homeopaths.
As I've said before, it is my opinion that we should all have some kind of alternate plan for prevention and treatment of Lyme. Things are not looking too rosy on that front, with insurance companies refusing to pay for treatment and more LLMDs not taking any more Lyme patients for various reasons.
Because of the availability of some remedies in the U.S., you may have to put forth a little effort to obtain what you need for prevention. But I think it would be worth it. As we know, it is possible to get re-infected from a new bite.
We need options.
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Peter Alex - Germany
quote:Until more accurate evidence becomes available, for the prevention of Lyme Disease following a tick bite we recommend the following provisions:
1. The tick should be immediately removed in its entirety.... there are tick-pliers readily available at the drug store or at the veterinarian's...... 2. On the day of the bite and for two subsequent days the recommendation is to take one or two doses of just one globule of Ledum palustre C30 ....... 3. Just to be sure, we give just one globule of the Aurum arsenicosum C200 on the sixth and twelfth day following the bite.
A number of colleagues have told me that in past seven years they have cared for more than a dozen tick bite victims using this or a very similar method, and that no case has proceeded to a clinical manifestation of Lyme Disease. Nor did it show up when a serum test was made.
Whoever suffers more than three bites per season should have stored enough information in their field not to have to repeat the procedure..... the layperson is advised to discuss the subject of repeated preventative doses with a competent homeopath.
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Alan V. Schmukler - Philadelphia, PA:
quote:1st day: Ledum 200C 2nd day: Hypericum 200C 3rd day: Borrelia burgdorferi nosode 30C . One dose a day for one week, then one dose a week for one month.
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B. R. - Philadelphia, PA: (Case report mentioned in the Peter Alex book)
quote:First day, Ledum 200C once (inset bite, puncture wound is cold and better from cold); Second day, Hypericum 200C once (nerve injury, trauma); Third day, Lyme nosode 30C [Bb nosode] once daily for 10 days.
I have recommended this `routine' to over 100 people and not one of them reported back to me any further development of symptoms.
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Cindee Gardner - (I have no idea where Cindee is!):
quote:In every case of Lyme disease Homeopathic texts suggest starting with a nosode (a remedy made from the actual borrelia burgdorferi) in a 30c potency. One dose three times daily is given for three days. If this remedy is given in the early stages, you can actually stop the disease from developing. http://www.hpathy.com/papersnew/gardner-lyme-disease.asp
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Ronald Whitmont, M.D. - Rhinebeck, Millerton, and NYC, NY (nothing specific here)
quote:Cases of Lyme disease prophylaxis [prevention] pose a particularly interesting problem. The homeopathic medicine, Ledum, has been recommended by several homeopathic physicians for use in Lyme prophylaxis after a tick bite. .....
Several possible solutions present themselves in the dilemma of prophylaxis, including the use of homeopathic nosodes or the use of a constitutional prescription...... Neither of these approaches are infallible. Professional judgment on each individual case might prove more beneficial. http://www.homeopathicmd.com/articles_3.html
(Dr. Whitmont has a website and is a 2nd generation homeopath, and he is also an M.D. This is his article about treating Lyme (and co-infections) - long article - scroll down for `homeopathic treatment' section.)
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And for our dogs....... Stephen Tobin, D.V.M. (veterinarian) - ``in a Lyme-infested region'' of the U.S.:
quote:As a preventative, I use the Borrelia burgdorferi nosode 60X [or 30C], giving one dose daily for one week, then one dose per week for one month, then one dose every six months, the same way I administer all the nosodes I give in place of vaccinations.
I have had only one failure in almost two hundred animals so treated. This is more effective than the vaccine for Lyme Disease used in dogs, which often has the effect of producing symptoms of Lyme Disease, including lameness, swollen joints, lethargy, inappetance (lack of appetite), kidney failure, and cruciate degeneration (cross-shaped as in the cruciate ligaments of the knee).
I have seen no side effects from the nosode itself.
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Notes: Ledum is the same thing as Ledum palustre ;
30C is the American potency designation, and is the same as C30;
There are a few sources of the Borrelia burgdorferi nosode in the USA, but it can only be purchased by a homeopath, a doctor, a chiropractor, or most naturopathic doctors; there is one U.S. lab that will sell it to you if you are under the care of a homeopath; however, anyone in the U.S. can order nosodes from Helios or Ainsworths in the U.K. (links below);
Aurum arsenicosum is a very uncommon remedy..... I can't find a U.S. supplier! Hahnemann Labs has one called Aurum arsenicatum, but I contacted them, and it is NOT the same thing so don't order it.
(A British pound is worth a little under $2.00 U.S.)
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I hope Alan Schmukler doesn't sue me for quoting directly from his book without permission. Perhaps he will reconsider if I put in a good word for his book, which I own. It is probably the most comprehensive acute prescribing book out there. It is quite inexpensive and available at Amazon.com.
It is called ``Homeopathy: An A to Z Home Handbook'' and it contains helpful remedy tips for ailments you won't find in most other acute prescribing books. He covers the basic colds, flu, headaches, sinusitis, etc. but he also has entries for things like gunshot wounds, epileptic attacks, eye problems, fears and panic attacks, tapeworm, strokes, Scarlet Fever, Cholera, Anthrax, Encephalitis, West Nile Virus, Tetanus, and many other epidemics, plus a section on what remedies to have in a home remedy kit, etc.
In a world where we face natural disasters, terrorist attacks, and antibiotic-resistant infections, this is a terrific ``survival'' book. Or if you have kids.
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Tracy, this is awesome, many thanks for taking your time and post this all!!
I'm going to try to find the Aurum arsenicosum (sp?) here in Belgium/ Germany/ Switzerland, will post here what I find.
A few questions: 1. Does Schmuckler has any suggestions against TICK born Encephalitis (a virus common here in Europe)? This is deadly or can leave a person with permanent brain/ nervous system damage.
My doctor suggest nosodes for kids, but only 3 tiny globules a day after tick bite, I wonder if this is enough...
2. When you guys say 'borrelia nosode', I'm wondering if it's like what I find here: hundreds of very tiny globules to be taken at one time?? With that amount of 'sugar' I could certainly make my coffee very sweet (just for you to understand the amount). It's quite a lot of micro globules to ingest in a single nosode (such globules inside a nosode are smaller than a sesame seed). Is this the same in the US? Is this that they suggest to take once a day (or even 3 times a day)?
3. One globule that they recommend is something that seems more like an apple seed or more like a sesame seed size? Here there are these two sizes.
When the guy says 'one globule', I NEVER saw any homeopath here prescribe in such a tiny dose. Never. It's minimum 3 'apple seed' globules, OR 7 'sesame seed' globules... Just wondering if the format is different in the US...
Thanks for any info Tracy! Selma
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I have been so focused on getting rid of this disease, that I have really not thought too much about prevention. Not sure why, though, given what my daughter and I have gone through.
Yes... thank you Tracy! I have copied these guidelines over to a word file.
I am curious about Selma's 'globule' question also. I have never known a homeopath to prescribe that small of an amount either and am wondering if a littie more can be taken. I think my homeopath said once that our bodies will take in what it needs and discards what it does not?
I sometimes experience reactions, but I have never been harmed by a homeopathic.
But perhaps in the case of prevention, or after having been bit, there is a reason for it to be fairly precise?
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I know the idea of prevention almost seems like a moot point once you know you have Lyme..... and yet we all have family and friends who could end up in the same boat after one lousy tick bite!!
Homeopathic after-bite prevention certainly does not have to be the ONLY choice. There's no reason why a person couldn't use homeopathy IMMEDIATELY, and then work on finding a local practitioner who will prescribe a month or 6 weeks of doxy.
But what if you or someone you are with gets a bite on Saturday morning up at some lodge or cabin, far away from any medical help, and on a week-end, no less? It is comforting to know that you have some control over that situation if you choose to purchase a few small, inexpensive items - and don't forget to take them with you if you travel!
And what about people like Klutzo on this board who are allergic to nearly all antibiotics?
There is another option for prevention, too.... Literally, you could make a remedy out of the tick that bit you (if you are lucky enough to see him at all). I thought this might be a crazy idea, and then I saw in Ronald Whitmont's article that he did the same thing with a tick from one of his patients!
The beauty of this method is that you would be giving yourself a nosode that contained ``information'' for the body about any and all CO-INFECTIONS that the tick might be carrying. Food for thought. Remedies are easy to make.... don't know if I posted this before....
Selma, I'll be happy to let you know what Alan has to say about Encephalitis, but he does not refer SPECIFICALLY to tick-borne Encephalitis, except to note that causes include ``viral infection such as mumps, measles, and herpes simplex; other causes include bacterial infection, vaccination, reactions to drugs, and stroke''.
He does not talk about prevention, only remedies commonly used for treatment with brief descriptions. I don't know how available an ``Encephalitis nosode'' is in the USA. Hard to say because many labs here do not list their nosodes since the general public cannot order them - you often have to contact the lab and ask if they have it.
I note that Ainsworths in the U.K. lists two remedies: ``Encephalitis'' and ``Encephalitis Tick Borne'', so apparently there is a difference....
Let me know if you want any info on the treatment aspect of Encephalitis and I'll type it up and PM it to you. I won't post it on this thread.
I'll have to come back in a bit - the question of dosage and globule sizes is a good one.
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Tracy, thanks for offering help there. I have the nosode for tick born encephalitis here, but I am just not used to the idea of taking 3 mini globules, I wonder if this dosage not wrong...
My lyme doctor prescribed it, but I don't know, I only have experince with borrelia nosodes that come in so many globules (about a full teaspoon of 'sugar' or more), that's why I keep wondering...
The info on making remedy with the infected tick sounds very interesting, but how to do it? Just take the tick as it is, and put in water then drink the diluted solution??
Even in the highest dilution... I think I'm not that brave...
I also guess one would have to CUT the beast to have it's stomach contents out in the water solution (that is what make us sick, isn't it?).
Well, but the make your own stuff looks very interesting. I guess one has to do it in a glass bottle, right? That's not the Korsakov preparation though, but Hahneman (sp?).
I just got a wonderful experience just a few hours ago with Apis melifica 30K. My 3 year old daughter walked on a bee on the carpet and was screaming before bed time. I gave 3 big globules to her.
In less than 3 minutes she stopped screaming. I repeated the operation in about more 10 minutes, then again 10 minutes. She's now sound asleep.
I also applied homeopathic bee venon (liquid) on the local of sting (I'm not sure if this would help though).
The first 2 bites she got was last year, I was in a park, her feet got swollen and red, feverish, she screamed the whole way back home in the car, I didn't have any medicine with me. She couldn't walk for a few hours.
I couldn't see her sting today, where the bee stung, no sign of it on her foot. This is so amazing. The bee is dead on the dust bin.
She then told me: "The waspe (she confounds the two) bit me on my foot, mom gave me the sugar, I ate it and it went down down down to my belly then to my foot and I made a magic, the pain disappeared". She was dancing and telling me that again and again. She walked to bed no problem.
Homeopathy for kids amazes me. I loved when she said "I made a magic, "plin!", the pain is gone!". I didn't say it was for pain, I said nothing, I just gave to her and continued looking for another homeopathic balsam for swelling, itchness etc (that I couldn't find!). I just then heard she stopped screaming and she said: "tell me a story, Mom". Bed time story. Isn't that amazing?
The over the counter homeopathic medicine for colds from Similasan come in 3 different formulas, so you have to read to see which matches.
Then there are still 3 separate only for coughs (types of coughs etc). I swear they work for kids (as I never really catch colds, I can't tell for adults). So in total there are 6 different formulas (mixes) for colds... And still a separate one for flu.
What never worked in homeopathy for my daughter is fever. Still looking for suggestions!
Another thing is that I already used were Hypericum 200 C and Ledum 30 C and 200C after infected tick bite for my daughter last year. Also borrelia nosodes, one a day for about a week, that I remember, then kept repeating every 3-4 days or so.
I don't feel the homeopathy helped in her disease, because she still fell sick, but I also gave her amoxy simultaneously (which sort of shuts down the immune system). Could it counteracts homeopathy??
Next visible tick bite I won't give her amoxy for sure and will do homeopathics, Buhner's herbs and the PC-Noni for coinfections, and will see what happens. I'm still not really sure about homeopathy and newly infected lyme.
She eventually got better, if homeopathy has helped or not in the end, I don't know, but I didn't feel her recovery was 'due to' homeopathy.
I have years of own experience with homeopathy, and if not working on the 'basic element' that can be slow on visible effects (months, sometimes even years) nor on cronic conditions (also takes months), the 'rest' (acute condition) should have rather fast effects.
I didn't see it fast while using Ledum/ Hypericum/ Lyme nosodes with her. But it could have been the amoxy? I'm not experienced with nosodes either... Daughter is my guinea pig.
Gotta go to bed.
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Selma, I'm thinking about some of the things you posted - you always have experiences to ponder! I'll get back here later on that, but....
Before I forget, if anyone is looking for a homeopath, the best way to find one is through personal referral. It is often helpful to check with local health food stores who are often familiar with alternative practitioners in the area. Sometimes, there are even "free seminars" offered by local homeopaths, which is how I learned what homeopathy really was.
Here are some links that could help. Each website has a physician or practitioner finder. The first two links are for USA practitioners only, but the last link lists other countries, as well.
Bear in mind that the homeopaths listed are just a small cross-section of the homeopaths out there.
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Selma...my sense of geography is ridiculous, how long would it take to travel by car/train to see Peter Alex? That might be the final excellent treatment for you. If you see him once in person then you can have phone or webcam consultations, I believe. Whatever is legal in Europe has to be followed. His case histories were very interesting. One homeopath had given up on her lyme patient and told him to take antibiotics but Alex was able to help him. One has to find the right remedies.
I just went to see the bioenergetic/homeopathic practitioner. Either this is all smoke and mirrors or its real but I don't know right now. I have a lot of remedies to take. He doesn't even treat the infections until he's gotten rid of the metals and toxins from things like antibiotics. Not sure why but he gave me a high potency of Bactrim (which I'd mentioned having in my 20's for so-called cystitis a buncho f times) and some other antibiotic.
In his world view, you need the tissue/substance to get the digital signature of it. So he wishes he had other tissues he doesn't have, just to get their digital signature.
I think I want to contact Eva Sapi and see what else she's found. Like I know there are microfilarial worms in those ticks. I think we need a remedy for that.
Etc.
Again it could all be smoke and mirrors but I spoke with one of his patients for an hour and she claims her hubby who was exposed to 9/11 and other stuff, had very high mercury on provocative chelation with his alt MD (42) and that the chelation treatments were causing some side effects including dry skin so she suggested this doc's approach (she and daughters were already seeing him) and he tried it and it supposedly worked so that on the next provocative chelation no mercury came out.
That's hard for me to understand or believe. You are loaded with mercury in your tissues and a few homeopathic remedies allow you to excrete it easily with no symptoms?
Who knows. I'm trying it anyway. If it's just water then all I waste is some time.
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Selma, suggestions regarding making a tick remedy.... be sure to re-read the article I posted - it gives you the basics for any remedy (and by the way, it would be the Korsakovian method as far as how the dilutions are made).
Now don't get squeamish on me - we are just getting to the good part....
Take the tick and put it in a small amount of ethanol - drinkable alcohol - like Vodka or whiskey.... don't use rubbing alcohol! Let him sit in there until you are sure he is dead.
Take the tick out with a spoon with almost no alcohol so you can ``mash'' him up with a spoon in a cup or bowl. Too much alcohol and you will just get big tick pieces. You want to make sort of a ``tick soup'' or a "tick paste", so to speak.
Take a plastic bottle of spring water - like the article says - I usually set the spring water aside and use it for the LAST dilution - the one I will be drinking. I use tap water for all the interim dilutions.
You will have to decide if you want to make an ``X'' potency or a ``C'' potency. I usually make C potencies because there are less dilutions to get to a higher potency.
X = 10% substance/ 90% water C = 1% substance/ 99% water
Okay, back to the ``tick soup''...... add back some alcohol and stir it up real good so you have a ``tick broth''. Or you can succuss it in this case if you want.
Then take your bottle of water and put 6-8 ounces of water in it. Add as much of the ``tick broth as would be appropriate for the amount of water. (For a C potency in 6 ounces of water, about a level 1/4 teaspoon; for 8 ounces, slightly less than a 1/2 teaspoon.) Measurements do not have to be perfect. It will still work.
Pound the bottle 40 times - now you have your first dilution or a 1C potency. Then follow the directions in that link I gave you.
Just make sure you make at least a 12C potency or a 24X potency, and there will be no molecules left of the tick in there. It is no different than taking the nosodes that you have now!
I hope this made sense
I'm still thinking about your experience with preventative remedies in your daughter's situation....
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O2Babe,
Good suggestion for Selma - I hadn't even thought about the fact that she might be pretty close to Peter Alex.... if nothing else, it sounds like he has a number of colleagues, so a referral is also possible.....
Wow, your practitioner is taking a rather novel approach, but it sounds like he is confident in what he is doing. Sometimes innovation yields some amazing things.
It is not smoke and mirrors. It is SOMETHING, but it isn't that. The effects are too real.
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I posted recently that I was going to try a bioenergetic/homeopathic MD. I can't believe how these remedies are affecting me.
I thought the first one was a coincidence, and maybe the second one was a coincidence, but now I just took the third one so it is no coincidence.
I don't know what will happen overall as I expect this will be a long haul IF IT is real to detox myself from a lifetime of toxins and infections etc.
In any case the first two remedies were detox from antibiotics. The first one--I felt chilled when I took it for about 30 minutes and then later in the day I got so wiped out I crashed into a deep sleep for 3 hours. This might sound normal except I never do that. My boyfriend checked on me 3 times and I didn't wake up. He said he worried I was dead because I was so still and he never sees me like that. When I woke up I cried and said that these remedies were too strong for me.
Two days later I had to take the next one and for about seven hours I felt bodywide pain but nothing else. I felt a lot of pain and it felt like when I took doxycycline. Turns out it had 'homeopathic' doxycycline (it was a potency of 600M).
I waited two days and now I'm starting the organ support. These are 10MM or something like that. Very high potency ie only energetic if anything. I was looking forward to taking them as I figured they would make me feel good. I lay down so tired and I didn't sleep but I feel horrible like a flu--pain all over, and chilled and a weird taste in my mouth. Once again I cried and this time I asked my boyfriend does he think there's SOMEthing in the remedies.
I am faced with a conundrum. It is going to be unpleasant if this is the way it goes but I will deal with it. The conundrum is how the heck it works. I have some ideas about biophysics but I'd like to know why no other homeopathic stuff has ever had such an effect on me.
I'll post back again in a few months.
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It sounds like your practitioner could have made some good calls for you. But only time will tell.
I had a difficult time with a combination homeopathic for detoxing halogens and had to stop it. I never did resume, which is a little unsettling. I might need to revisit this remedy someday.
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i don't think anyone will ever be able to explain exactly how or why homeopathy works.
it's all about balance, and i know in classical homeopathy each healing crisis brings more balance (in chronic and constitutional conditions) and should never be too long or otherwise unbearable.
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Oxygenbabe, I too think there may be other microbes that ticks carry - like the microfilarial worms - which add to the overall ``disease'' picture. That's one of the reasons why if I ever find a tick on me, I'll be making a remedy out of the whole mashed- up tick. I'm going to give my body the ``digital signature'' of everything harmful that tick might be carrying.
Selma talked about her experience using Apis for her daughter's bee sting. Apis is made from the whole bee, not just the stinger or the bee venom. It appears that the body uses whatever ``information'' from the bee it needs to cure the problem, and discards the rest.
Wow, O2babe, you are taking some very high potencies and are having some very strong reactions. All are good signs that the remedy is ``acting'', but as Mo said, the aggravations ``should never be too long or otherwise unbearable''. If they are, please contact your practitioner. There are ways to minimize or eliminate the problem without compromising the positive action of the remedy.
Mo, I think physicists will eventually figure out why homeopathy works, but only IF there is a real interest in doing so. Currently, I don't think the scientific world really cares.
All I know is that I can't wait that long. I need the remedies NOW.
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quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: Oxygenbabe, I too think there may be other microbes that ticks carry - like the microfilarial worms - which add to the overall ``disease'' picture. That's one of the reasons why if I ever find a tick on me, I'll be making a remedy out of the whole mashed- up tick. I'm going to give my body the ``digital signature'' of everything harmful that tick might be carrying.
Tracy
You know if you do that you had better make sure that everything is absolutly dead that was in it.
Now my question is how are you going to do that?
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Selma, don't forget to respond to your own post over at Hpathy. We don't want them to think that all Lymies are as forgetful as I am.
I don't think I've ever seen Similasan remedies here. But I'll have to check around for what is available.
In most Repertories, there is a whole chapter on fevers, so there are many things to take into consideration - too much for discussion here.
I've thought about your experience with your daughter's tick bite last year using the Ledum and Hypericum and nosode remedies......
Were you able to start a remedy immediately - on the first day of the bite? I can't help but notice that this seems to be important in all of the preventative protocols. Even so, the remedies should have helped with the infection.
While most allopathic drugs tend to have a negative effect on the immune system, most will not prevent homeopathic remedies from working. Steroids are another matter, but you didn't use steroids.
Also, bear in mind that homeopathics don't always completely prevent an illness, but in past cases when homeopathics were used during certain epidemics, people who did get sick had a milder or shorter course of illness than other people.
It is hard to know what happened in your daughter's case. The fact that she is well is certainly cause for celebration. Now, if you can just prevent future re-infection....
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Ah, good question Tree, but an easy one....
The answer is: I don't have to worry about it. It just doesn't matter if it's alive or dead.
The reason for that has already been posted in this thread, but since the thread has gotten pretty long, I won't chide you for not reading everything here.
Way back on the second page, I posted this:
quote:``.....in potencies over a 12C (or a 24x), there is not a single molecule of the original substance left in the remedy. (Avogardro's Number - a law of chemistry). ``
(There is an actual formula for this, but I can't post the right math symbols here.)
This is why I advised Selma (or anyone) that when making a ``tick remedy'', make at least a 12C or a 24x potency.
So, according to current scientific ``belief'', there is nothing left but water once you get to those potencies. If you read the Homeopathy and the Memory of Water article on page 2 of this thread, perhaps it will help to explain why this scientific ``belief'' is just wrong.
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Sorry for my delay, Tracy and Oxygenbabe. I was on a trip.
TRACY: I copy-pasted your tick soup info. Thanks. If I understood well, the tick soup you got is about a teaspoon of alcohol + tick material?
I found the bee bite bite next day on my daughter's foot. Looked just like a needle sting, nothing else. I have to do the test again next bite, but this was certainly an amazing experience. I even start to doubt she got bitten, but she screamed so much in pain, I could see the 'point' where the bee stung, so if this worked like it did, it's just amazing.
Tracy, which is my own post about homeopathy I forgot to answer?? I do forget things!!
As for my daughter's experience with ledum/ hypericum/ nosodes, yes, I started when I discovered the tick (less than 24 hours after infected bite). She still fell sick, day by day.
No, no steroids for her either.
Another problem could be coinfections. She was ART tested and the doctor found ehrlichia, bartonela, rikettsia, borrelia plus candida. Candida was caused by abx according to him, but the rest were tick born (from a single bite!!). I wonder if this cocktail ledum/ hypericum/ borrelia includes all co-infections...
Three weeks after bite, doctor still found these 4 infections active, and she was definitively with symptoms (mainly GI but also strong fatigue, irritability, pains here and there).
I guess next bite I'll have to do the tick soup and add to this homeopathic cocktail for prevention... But I won't abandon Buhner's herbs + PC-Noni tincture on top of this, if she's ART tested positive.
But as you said, she's cured now, so who knows homeopathy still worked (she got a milder disease)?
OXIGENBABE: No idea where Peter Alex is. Can you tell me the city name?
I looked in Belgium for the aurum arsenicosum, but couldn't find it (but I didn't go to the best place to find it). I'm going to take a look here in Germany/ Switzerland.
And welcome to the homeopathy club!! This stuff is amazing (when one finds the right remedies).
If this detox of metals works through the treatment you're doing, please share your experience!!! The normal ways of detoxing metals that I'm going through is not hell, but not too far from. It's extremely long, tiring, costly, even if I feel some good results.
What are the things you're using for metals?
Do you think this Alex will do this? My Belgium homeopath is not a believer on metals in my case, so I can't get help there. The other doctor I see uses dr. K's protocol for metal detoxing...
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Selma, here is a posting from the guy who 'runs' the Europe contingent of Dr. Y's work (I'm using only the initial of his last name as people do on this site for docs of any kind). I'm not sure how you can locate a Simon Rees in Galway but maybe its not that hard. Then you could ask if there was anybody near you? Or you go see him once and then after that I believe you can send in urine to be tested. I don't know a lot more, as the Dr. himself is close to me, half an hour away, so I haven't even asked about these other practitioners.
Name: Simon Rees Location: Galway, Ireland Occupation: FCT, Homeopathy, Naturopathy, Tui Na Traditional Chinese Medicine, Tibetan Pulsing Acupressure. . . but mostly FCT!
How I got interested in FCT:
My chronically ill partner Clover, in desperation after nearly a decade of ``mystery'' illness and deterioration of her health in the hands of dozens of doctors and ``experts,'' was finally referred to Dr Y in New York with dozens of serious debilitating symptoms. Mercury poisoning was the main cause, but almost nobody had realized before, and the only other person who had realized did not help her in his attempts to remove mercury using different chelation methods. Looking back, I feel quite passionately that the state of most forms of both conventional and alternative medicine remains in the Dark Ages, (i) for not identifying the importance of toxicity, especially mercury, in the aetiology of nearly all diseases, since Clover's case is by no means unique; & (ii) for not possessing any effective and safe means of diagnosing or treating it.
We both became patients of Dr Y's, and have since undergone years of regular FCT detoxification regimes. Never in our lives, despite a lot of exposure to many different modalities and approaches, have we encountered such a deep, powerful and effective system of medicine. Clover's life, health and happiness have been restored, gradually over a period of years (note: the pace of recovery in FCT is very individual, but most people begin to improve quickly), and she has now become an expert FCT practitioner herself. My long-term pattern of severe migraine attacks vapourized permanently under Dr Y's care, for which I am forever grateful - and all that was involved was removing the ``beast'' (mercury) from my brain and other tissues! I later became determined to learn FCT myself, and, what's more, I wanted to help make it more widely available to people in Europe as well, both out of compassion for all those people in the same situation as Clover had been, and, at the same time, because I recognized that FCT holds the potential to bring medicine forward out of the Dark Ages into a far more enlightened medical paradigm and methodology.
So this was when I struck up a new relationship with Dr Y as his European seminar organiser/co-ordinator, and decided to devote a lot of time and energy to bringing hundreds of healthcare practitioners from diverse fields to study with Dr Y. Since studying FCT, it has come to dominate my practice as the `jewel in the crown,' despite my training in several other medical disciplines. I later tried to maintain the high level of interest and enthusiasm locally by joining forces with fellow FCT enthusiast Kevin Eakins to run regular FCT practice weekends, days and talks, and I now remain closely involved in the ongoing training of FCT practitioners in co-ordination with Dr Y, Kevin Eakins and, last but not least, Clover herself. _________________ Simon Rees, FCT Europe
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Truthfinder, since you know homeopathy, can you tell me...I know a bit about it, but as a total layperson. I had heard of the LM potency (google Amy Lansky, who treated her son's mild autism with LM carcinosin), but can you lay out for me how you go from say, 3X to get to 600M, and then what is 10MM?
I took a break for 2 days and I suspect I was not supposed to do that! But he was away and I was really feeling SICK. I crashed out again on Tuesday night. The Dr will be back tomorrow and I'll discuss with him. I hope he gives me a lower potency than 10MM.
By the way, these 10MM potencies are organ support mostly. They're at such a high potency I think they stimulate the organ to start detoxing, I assume, in the parlance of homeopathy, that the organ is getting the information, on some level we don't understand as molecules and is more in the realm of biophysics--anyway its getting the information about what its 'correct' frequency and vibration and 'code' should be, and its correcting itself and as it does so its shedding accumulated toxins. And that is unpleasant. The immune system and the whole body reacts.
Well it may be the only way out is through. I'll report back on my conversation with him in a day or two. For me, this is an avenue that is a possibility because I don't tolerate drugs and I don't really know what supplements I need. As he points out, even alt. medicine, is usually a bandaid (it has been a good bandaid for me, but its true, I keep needing the IV drips and treatments), and many patients are given the same recommendations when everybody is individual.
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Oxygenbabe, this looks very very interesting. I hope you'll come back to tell your mercury detox experience.
I'll just leave 2 links to the FCT technique for the ones with interest (as he uses homeopathy): www.yurkovsky.com
About LM potencies, I use these since start of my lyme treatment.
They are extremely potent (if you find the right substance you need) and work immediately. I use this to control each organ of my body that was in stress through dr. K's approach (to balance organs to create a yin state).
I was non believer on all this high potency stuff, but LM substances did help me out of the hole when herbs were not helping enough with detoxification.
Dublin is not too far, and I do travel to Ireland here and there. Thanks a lot for the info!
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Hi, Selma -
quote:If I understood well, the tick soup you got is about a teaspoon of alcohol + tick material?
I don't think I explained it well, Selma. To me, the most important thing is to be able to mash the tick up into a ``paste'' first, so don't get too much liquid/alcohol with it. After mashing, add some alcohol and it doesn't really matter how much - enough so that you can then take some of that mixture to start your first dilution, or your ``1C potency''. Does that make any more sense? This is hard for me to explain for some reason. Perhaps I need to make a ``tick-mashing video''.
quote:Tracy, which is my own post about homeopathy I forgot to answer?? I do forget things!!
quote:I wonder if this cocktail ledum/ hypericum/ borrelia includes all co-infections...
Well, it doesn't include all the nosodes, but the Ledum & Hypericum should prevent infection from developing from whatever ``bug'' is involved..... unless..... an infection of one pathogen was already present in the body and not causing symptoms, and the new tick bite ``triggered'' the immune response.
For instance, how often do we hear of some ``trauma'' that caused the onset of symptoms? In my case, it was not a tick bite but a Tetanus shot, so I obviously already had the Lyme infection in my body when I got the Tetanus shot, but virtually no symptoms. Just a theory....... The Ledum/Hypericum can't prevent an infection that is already present.
My current theory is that in the USA, I would estimate that at least 70% of the population already has Borrelia b. in their system. I believe it takes an ``accumulation'' of additional factors to trigger the organism into becoming destructive and to set off the immune system. Just my latest theory, mind you..... I reserve the right to change my mind.
Interestingly, in this Peter Alex book, he mentions that several of his patients could actually trace the onset of their Lyme symptoms back to the point where they began using a mobile phone or a time when a cell phone tower was erected nearby. (!) So, a new ``insult'' to the body appears to be a trigger.
Selma, perhaps Oxygenbabe can find a better address for Peter Alex, but all I can find in the book quickly is: Peter Alex Veterinarian and Naturopathic Physician Wildschuetz, Germany
Okay, I'll go look up some stuff for Oxygenbabe......
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Oxygenbabe, I do hope you will continue to update us with your experiences.
I honestly don't think you should have to go through all the ``aggravations'' you are experiencing from the remedies. But that is between you and your ``prescriber''.
But let me just refer you to an interview between my homeopath and Diane Fuller (another homeopath) that deals with ``zapping'' the negative effects that can occur from remedies. And please note that it only antidotes the negative effects - it does not nullify the good effects of the remedy. If you don't want to read the whole thing, scroll down almost halfway - where they start talking about specific directions......Oh my gosh - I hadn't read the whole article - I am even mentioned in there, ha, ha! Well, that's certainly a surprise.....
Okay, here's the short answer to your question about potencies. If this doesn't quite explain what you are looking for, farther down the page, I've copied some info from the Hahnemann Labs FAQ section which should help.
Please note that Hahnemann developed the LM scale of dilution because he was concerned that homeopaths were experimenting with higher and higher dilutions in the C-scale. He felt that these higher dilutions would produce aggravations that were too severe. Well, that's exactly what is happening to you.
X = 1:10 ( DECIMAL SCALE ) ALSO WRITTEN AS D IN EUROPE.
C = 1:100 ( CENTESIMAL SCALE ) ALSO WRITTEN AS CH IN EUROPE. 1M = 1,000 C ( CENTESIMAL SCALE ) 10M = 10,000 C ( CENTESIMAL SCALE ) 50M = 50,000 C ( CENTESIMAL SCALE ) 600M = 600,000 C ( CENTESIMAL SCALE ) 10MM = 10,000,000 C ( CENTESIMAL SCALE )
LM = 1:50,000 ( 50 MILLESIMAL SCALE ) ALSO WRITTEN AS LM/1, LM/2, 0/1, 0/2, OR Q1, Q2, ETC.
Below is a more detailed explanation of each potency scale.
Note: When reading the following, ``succession'' is the process of forcefully striking a homeopathic remedy against a firm surface (pounding). ``Dilutions'' are done according to the dilution ratios listed above.
What is the ``X'' potency?
The second potency scale is the decimal scale. This scale is similar to the centesimal scale, except that it uses the dilution ratio of 1:10. To indicate this ratio, the decimal scale uses the Roman numeral ``X,'' which stands for 10. 30X indicates a substance, diluted at a ratio of 1:10, has been taken through thirty steps of dilution and succussion.
To compare the decimal and centesimal scales, we simply divide the decimal in half to get the comparable centesimal, or multiply the centesimal by two to find the comparable decimal. For example, a 30X is similar to a 15C, while a 30C is similar to a 60X.
What is the ``C'' potency?
The ``C'' potency, otherwise known as the centesimal potency scale, is a particular degree and range of strength. The letter ``C'' is the Roman numeral for 100, meaning the dilution ratio of medicinal substance to non-medicinal substance is 1 to 100. For example, one part of salt, calcium, arsenic, or charcoal has been put into one hundred parts of milk sugar or alcohol.
The number tells us how many times it has been diluted and succussed. For example, a ``30C'' potency tells us that a substance, diluted at the ratio of 1:100, has gone through 30 steps of dilution and succussion. 200C means it has gone through two hundred steps of the dilution and succussion process.
What is the ``M'' potency?
1M, 10M, 50M are marked with the Roman numeral ``M,'' which stands for 1,000. This ``M'' is being used as a shorthand for 1000C, not for a dilution ratio of 1:1,000. Therefore, 1M is a 1,000C and means a substance, diluted at the ratio of 1:100, has been taken through the dilution and succussion process one thousand times. 10M is a 10,000C, and a 50M is a 50,000C. A potency of CM means 100,000C, a DM means 500,000C, and an MM means 1,000,000C.
The centesimal potencies typically used are 6C, 12C, 30C, 200C, 1M, 10M, 50M, and CM. To put this into some perspective, the 1C has one 100th of a part of medicinal substance in it. A 2C has one 10,000th of a part of medicinal substance in it. A 3C has one 1,000,000th. The number indicating the amount of medicinal substance in a 30C is a 1 followed by 60 zeros. Imagine how many zeros are in the numbers representing the amount of medicinal substance in a 200C, a 10M, or a CM!
Because the process of dilution and succussion brings out the medicinal quality of a substance, the more a substance has been diluted and succussed, the more its medicinal quality has been developed. This means, the further along the scale we go, the more powerful the remedy is. A CM is vastly more powerful than a 6C, even though the CM has been diluted 100,000 times!
The development of medicinal power lies not simply in the dilution, but also in the succussion. Each step invigorates the substance's inherent medicinal power, developing it further as we climb the potency scale. While the CM has been diluted 100,000 times, it has also been succussed at each of the way, and therefore has gone through 100,000 steps of invigoration as well.
What is the ``LM'' potency?
The third potency scale is the LM scale, ``LM'' being the Roman numeral for 50,000. This scale dilutes substances at a ratio of 1:50,000. To begin, we take a 3C (the point at which all substances are alcohol soluble, as achieved through trituration) and dilute it into 50,000 parts of alcohol, succussing it 100 times (as opposed to the 2, 10, 20 or 40 times applied to the centesimal and decimal scales).
This first step of diluting at 1:50,000 and succussing 100 times is called the LM1. The scale continues with the LM2, LM3, and so on. At each step, the substance is reduced at a dilution rate of 50,000. Obviously, the LM scale becomes more highly dilute and invigorated than the centesimal or decimal scales, which means that the LM scale is higher in potency than the centesimal or decimal.
The LM scale is more potent than the centesimal and decimal scales, and yet it is also more gentle. Because it is so dilute, and also because it is given in liquid form (diluting it even further), the LMs act very gently and are quite suitable for people requiring gentler treatment.
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Thanks Tracy, I PM'ed you. I'm so confused about the whole thing and that aggravation zapper TOTALLY CONFUSES ME as to how it works!!!!
I will call my practitioner shortly and ask for a lower potency.
Meanwhile, Selma, if you PM me, I will give you Dr Alex's email.
Edit: I called but this is the potency he wants me to stay at. He tests the organs ahead of time to see which ones need support during detox. You're just to tough it out for a few days. Since I have recovered (its Friday) I am willing to do this. I stopped halfway thru so that's not great but I'll finish them up this weekend.
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Thanks for the update, Oxygenbabe.
Boy, that "smoke" and those "mirrors" sure can pack a wallop, can't they?
Sorry you are having such a tough reaction to the remedies. I would love to have a chat with your practitioner about that....
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PLEASE NOTE....
When choosing a homeopath to work with, please make sure that the person's health practice consists of at least 80-85% homeopathic treatment of his/her patients.
Naturopathic Doctors (NDs) have some homeopathic training, but that does not make them good homeopaths. On the other hand, many NDs primarily practice homeopathy with perhaps a few additional modalities such as acupuncture or Traditional Chinese Medicine. These types of NDs would probably be good choices. Others seldom use homeopathy for their patients and these are generally not helpful to someone with a complicated, chronic disease like Lyme & Co.
The following is my story of HOW NOT to choose a homeopath...... and what can happen if you get it wrong.......
After having symptoms for over 20 years, an ND in a nearby town helped me figure out that I had Lyme Disease late in 2005. So, I began treatment with him about a year ago, and I told him I was primarily interested in homeopathic treatment although I didn't know very much about it then.
Unfortunately, in this case it appears that the ND thought I knew a lot more about homeopathy than I did, and in turn, I assumed that the ND knew a lot more about homeopathy than he did. This was a prescription for disaster.
To make a long story short, in March and April of 2006, I ended up taking a dropper-full of liquid Ledum 1M, 2 times a day for approximately 6 weeks straight! This is not good and should not have happened.
I honestly never felt any effect from the Ledum 1M at all back then, and that alone should have been an early indication to either change the remedy, adjust the potency, etc. But I was never told to stop or change anything. And I didn't know any better.
Fortunately for me, my NDs office closed so I went in search of a new practitioner. Since there are no homeopaths for 200 miles, I found an excellent online homeopath last September and got started with treatment. Due to my lack of response to the Ledum 1M previously, it seemed that Ledum was just not the right remedy for me so my new homeopath did not look at that remedy too hard when analyzing my case.
Meanwhile, during the past year, I've noticed a slow but steady decline in my mental state; my thinking and organizational skills have really gone downhill; I have more trouble with spatial relationships and increased memory problems; I've become increasingly apathetic and less social.
Despite good work by my new homeopath, I've had some increase in physical symptoms, too, most of which I have had before at some point in the last 20 years - they are just worsening or becoming more pronounced.
About a month ago when the weather started getting nicer here, I started walking with my dog and found some suspicious ``bites'' when I woke up the next morning. I didn't think they were tick bites, but decided to do a little ``preventative health care'' just in case and took 2 or 3 doses of Ledum 30C over the next 2 days - a much lower potency than I had before.
HOLY COW! I had an immediate positive reaction, and in fact, I had the most dramatic increase in my ``sense of well-being'' that I have ever had from a remedy to date. My sleep was deep and lasted longer than `normal'. Even many of my pains were diminished! These are all excellent signs of the ``right remedy''!
I realize now that there were substantial consequences to taking the Ledum 1M improperly, with no instruction or supervision offered by my ND. What has happened is that I am now in a ``Ledum state'' and I have actually acquired many of the characteristics of Ledum, including a ``chaotic dullness'' in my mental and emotional areas.
Here is what an imminent homeopath told me when I wrote to him about my situation (I wrote with the permission of my homeopath - she wanted his opinion, too):
quote:It is never good to repeat high doses of high potencies so often in a row as..... one runs the risk of "catching" the symptoms of the remedy that do not belong to your disease (accessory symptoms).
In your case, when you took the lower potency of the remedy, it showed to me that indeed Ledum was the indicated remedy and by taking a lower potency you will annihilate the similar aggravation you had from the previous repetition of too many doses and too high potencies. So now that you are on track, apply AS NEEDED the 30C Ledum liquid doses.
Hopefully, this story will have a happy ending, now that I know what happened and what to do about it. This has been a setback, though, no doubt of that now.
And please do not construe this to mean that high potencies are bad! That is not the case at all. The point is that a case has to be managed and monitored by the homeopath, and the patient should have instructions on what to expect, what to look for, when to repeat a dose, what to do if a new problem crops up, etc. These are key elements in proper treatment.
I just hope my story helps someone else avoid a similar problem.
Please be as careful about choosing a homeopath as you would be about choosing an LLMD for conventional treatment. Homeopathy works, but you have to have the right practitioner to make it all come together.
Tracy
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Just wanted to say a big thank you to all those who have posted on this topic I raised. I haven't made use of this internet discussion group much before, because I have an aversion to sitting more at the computer (arthritis in the ol' hips and low back), and it's easy to get hooked and have hours go by! So I'm impressed with how many of you take the time to share your experiences and wisdom. I've gained much from this discussion, and am feeling more inclined to contact a local homeopathist, who has an excellent reputation. I hadn't done so before because of the "yet another expense," and I'm going through my meager savings rapidly with this disease!
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F. PAM, thanks for taking the time to come check out the thread.... sounds like it answered a few of your questions.
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