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I do take it regularly. I am not ranting and raving about it per se, but I do think it is helpful and important to be on systemic enzyme therapy.
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I heard this stuff helps alot with the hypercoagulation and the excess fibrin created by the borrelia. I also heard that once the fibrin is reduced which the borrelia causes, it becomes alot more easy to treat becuase the borrelia's defenses are taken down with the sytemic enzyme and the ABX, Herbs, Rife, Slat, ect. attacks it with alot more ease!
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Lumbro and nattokinase do the same, so shop around! You're right about what he said.
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Here is what I learned about these products:
Per Dr. K's comments at a recent conference, Nattokinase is the most overrated supplement right now. It falls far short of the effects of Lumbrokinase. In his testing, almost everybody within 2 months or so on Nattokinase, they become allergic to it; and it blocks the uptake of everything else. It disturbs everything else.
It is a soy-based product which by its nature isn't great for women because of the hormonal residues that are in there.
He told that it appeared clinically if treating a Lyme patient, and put them on Nattokinase, they do a little bit better for 6 weeks or so, and thein their system gets completely stuck again. Everybody thinks it's the natural course of the disease; while in fact upon testing it is the Nattokinas that blocks every other thing from working.
He does not use it. He uses VitalzymeX (the one without Titanium Dioxide). He uses Rechts Regulat.
Take care.
Rutozyme is a no-no because it contains Titanium Dioxide, a carcinogen.
I think he stopped using Wobenzyme a long time ago also. He always stayed away from the one with the red dye coloring.
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I take serrapeptase enzyme. I found it under the Serraflazyme brand at the Vitaminshoppe.com. It is inexpensive and I find it to be very effective for myself.
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for what it's worth. I spoke to the company that makes Vitalzym this morning and they stated that as of about 2 months ago they are no longer using titanium dioxide in Vitalzym. GiGi is right in that they were using it in the past. She told me that some online sources may still have a few bottles of the old stuff, and to make sure just call them to verify they have the new formula with no titanium dioxide.
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"It does not list Titanium Dioxide as an ingredient."
NOW you tell me!! I just received my Rutozyme today....which does contain titanium dioxide. Darn it!
I really had not found anything better. I did take some Serrapeptase for the past two weeks, but wasn't sure it was working.
Thanks though for the belated info!
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avoiding gluten, I was taught to avoid anything with maltodextrin in it as it often comes from barley, a gluten source.
Since, often I hear that maltodextrin is from a corn source or that they just don't know.
I don't know the source of maltodextrin Vitalzym uses for but I sure like companies that stay as close to the product as possible.
Wobenzyne used to have bovine ingredients (although from happy cows in Argentina). That was a few years ago, don't know now.
I agree about the systemic enzymes. I think that is one of the most important supports.
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sorry lymetoo!! I wasnt involved in the thread earlier I had just been researching and figured I would make a few calls myself. I actually ended up ordering the vitalzymX that GiGi speaks o because of the higher concentrations of enzymes. You wont find VitalzymX on the internet as it has to be ordered through a doctor. however, the company I ordered it from was a company that I found selling Vitalzym on the internet, but they have a doctor on staff. Their agreement with Vitalzym is that they can sell VitalzymX but they can't advertise it online. So you have to order by phone.
If anybody wants the info, PM me.
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I used to take Wobenzyme when there was nothing better on the market.
Rechtsregulat is still our favorite. I now use only a few drops a week. It is not necessary to keep taking two tablespoons a day as I believe is indicated on the bottle. Once you have reached a more normal state with your blood, a few drops will do.
I rub in a few drops of Rechtsregulat (or anything else that I like, for that matter) lasering it in with my green laser, a few seconds; or I use a vial containing the Rechtsregulat and laser it in a few seconds.
(Look up "Laser Balancing" on www.nurseandi.com It is more fun to see and feel the results of lasering than anything I have done over the years. At our age, one has to stay ahead of things. I am never going to get caught with any toxin in my body again!!!!! I learned that the hard way as many of you.)
I used to just test myself - if I happen to stick myself (while sewing) with a needle, and blood came bright and thin, I knew a few drops of Rechtsregulat would be enough.
It has helped my stomach a great deal along with my inflammation in the joints and muscles.
I have heard though there is better...just was'nt sure wich one.
I have been out for about 2 weeks and feel more inflamed, so much I have started back up on my anti-inflammatory.
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Gigi, is it fair to say that Dr. K uses Recht Regulat in cases where hypercoagulation is the primary concern and VitalzymX when inflammation is the most pressing need?
I ordered two bottles of Recht Regulat last winter and I actually kind of liked the taste. For me though I am always out and about and having a liquid is just not as convienent. I never really had much issue with my blood as it has always been thin and red when blood has been drawn. On the other hand, inflammation is a major issue with me. I have ordered the VitalzymX and am hoping I can get some results.
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Wobezyme- I bought a bottle and take it on an empty stomach when herxing and don't notice any effect. Just my 2 cents.
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GiGi
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Memphis,
"Gigi, is it fair to say that Dr. K uses Recht Regulat in cases where hypercoagulation is the primary concern and VitalzymX when inflammation is the most pressing need?"
No, not really. He recommends the use of what tests best with ART.
With most chronic disease, it is difficult to "guess" the primary need, except some very obvious ones.
ART (autonomic response testing) determines the choice of medication, with common sense always playing a role. Depending on symtoms and examination, he decides which medications might come into play, from antibiotics to digestive enzymes. Final decision is made with ART taking into consideration all other remedies and supplements the patient is taking or wants to take. Synergy - they all have to work together. Just choosing one remedy that is not quite suitable could void the effectiveness of all. This is happening with many people on so many different products. I went through that myself.
The main attention is directed not toward symptom, but to treat the cause. For instance, If you chase the bugs and metals out of the knee joint, it will stop hurting and the swelling will go down. The agent thought to be effective for this is tested with ART before it is applied. In my case, it was bee venom that took care of the inflammation for good and brought the knee back to normal size. He would test abx, herbals, as well as heparin, vitalzyme or similar, and RechtsRegulat, and some other agents with ART to make the decision for the dominant problem at the time. ART gives this information.
If a medication does not test well, no matter how well it may work for another patient or how popular it is, it is an indication that this is not what the patient needs and /or that it will not work for the patient. The med that tests highest as determined with ART is the one that is used, and that is also tested together with all other meds and supplements the patient is taking to assure that one incompatible supplement or med does not negate all by causing a blockage of the ANS (autonomic nervous system).
All medicines used for injection (Neural Therapy or Prolotherapy or bee venom, etc. ) are also tested with ART before they are used. It avoids allergic reactions and problems to a large extent.
I did a lot of guessing before I had someone to test me with ART. It certainly is of great benefit to the patient.
In "Lyme Disease: A look Beyond Antibiotics" www.neuraltherapy.com Dr. K. talks about the different agents you asked about.
Take care.
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