Melanie Reber
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Good morning all,
Yes, I know I have just about reached my quota of new symptom questions, so if you will just indulge me this one more, I will try to refrain from asking any questions for awhile
I guess it helps somehow to know that others have these weird things happening to them as well...even though I wish it weren't so for any of us.
Anyway, last night, about an hour after a Bicillin shot, a sudden headache with blurred vision began. Shortly thereafter, I went to wipe my nose of what I thought was a sniffle, and it turned out to be blood.
The bloody nose stopped after about 20 minutes with me lying back down with my head back. I don't think I have ever had a bloody nose before, so this really startled me as you can imagine.
This morning there is no sign of it except for the blood drops that fell on my shirt and on the table before I moved...and a slight headache.
I honestly don't recall anyone posting on this before, so I am hoping that this is a common thing that most of you just don't even think about?
Thanks so much in advance for sharing your thoughts...
My best, Melanie
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I hope it's a one time occurence and if it isn't call the doc, ok?
ps. also tilt your head forward to stop them instead of back. I know it's counter-intuitive but that's what they say. (Also it keeps the blood from going down your throat.)
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LisaS
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Isnt bloody nose on the babesia symptom list? I think so.
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Ok I was wrong, its BArtonaella: Heres from an old post: Without any treatment, bart begins as a relapsing fever that has neurological side effects: disorientation, mood changes, difficulty with reading, concentration, mild attention deficit disorder.
As it progresses, you get splitting headaches, swollen lymph nodes, sore throats, shin splints, body aches, severe neurological disturbances, severe ADD, insomnia, extreme fatigue, scratchy eyes, thyroid problems, blood seeping continuously from your nose, and eventually psychosis.
Tincup
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I like that word "FINE".
I should have known better.
First may I suggest... check ALL your meds and supplements to see if they are or have any blood thinning properties. Even things like green tea can do that.
Or check to see if in combination they would do that. And since you have an inhaler.. do check it too. Check EVERYTHING!!!
Next.. look up Vitamin K. Without it.. blood won't clot properly. I can't remember off the top of my head.. but I think it goes like this...
Antibiotics may deplete Vitamin K.. or prevent it from absorbing? I use to have that info and could spit it out.. but can't remember the connection exactly.
You might want to look up leaky GUT.. not nose!
The lining of the gut also has something to do with Vitmain K and absorption.. darn. I will have to try to find it... as my "putting things together" mode isn't functioning.
BUT..
May I suggest in the meantime..
Eat more foods with high Vitmain K content. If you have a can of tomates.. pop it open and eat them. I've had to do that.. actually had someone bring me a can while in the hospital once.
Tomatoes and dark green leafy vegetables are two I DO remember with higer Vitamin k content. It DOES work. And NO whining about having to eat collards and kale. Kentucky Fried or Sonny's BBQ may have them... as would Cracker Barrel if you have them in CA.
If you aren't on the L-Glutamine.. perhaps get on it now... sugar plum. Gotta stop the leaky gut.
Are you bruised anywhere that isn't normal, Ms. Crash into Trees? If so.. let us know.
Now... because you have been sniffling and such a lot lately... could you have nicked a vessel up high in your nose?
Has it happened since?
Since it is Friday.. it wouldn't hurt to call Mr. Lovely at the doctors office and ask them for suggestions. Don't wait till the weekend.. as we know how THAT goes.
If they are doing normal blood work on you.. uh hem... they may see something that could indicate why this is happening. If not.. a fibrogen test.. or tests would be appropriate if this continues.
I use to get nosebleeds a lot in my younger years. It would scare the bee-jebbies out of me. It would be pouring out and I would have to hang over the sink because the blood would soak everthing too fast to prevent a mess.
Very frightening.
Don't ignore it.. but also know if it gets worse.... it is to the ducks you must go.
Your pharmacist may also be able to answer questions.. like..
"I have nose bleeds. Could my meds be the problem?"
Get back to me and let me know how Ms. FINE is REALLY doing.
Have you experienced any bruising along with this lately? Bleeding and bruising may indicate thrombocytopenia, which is a side effect of Bicillin. Have you noticed any pinpoint red dots on your skin?
This does not sound right, especially since you haven't had issues with bleeding of the nose previously.
I would call my doc to see if I needed to get my platelets and clotting times checked. If it gets bad enough it can cause bleeding in the brain. I certainly don't mean to scare you but since this is listed as a potential complication of this specific drug I would not hesitate to call doc.
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Melanie Reber
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Thank you so much everyone! I so appreciate all of your help.
I was just trying to go through all meds to see if there could be an issue with any of them...but I am on 14 Rxs, so it just gets too complicated for me.
But, the only thing I could find was something about inflammation meds, which led me to the methazolamide I am taking for headaches.
Yes, I have been bruising allot recently without any cause, and have had weird blood-type "rashes"- tiny pinhead petechia (sp) type stuff and also tiny vascular looking stuff. This is also new to me.
But mainly I am just so cold and so tired. I really don't have the energy right now to do the whole doc/research/ thing.
Hopefully, a bit later on I'll find my second wind. Hey Ima, I know I owe you a call and will do that in a couple of hours, OK?
Thanks again to you each!!! M
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Tincup
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Ima said...
"I would call my doc to see if I needed to get my platelets and clotting times checked."
After reading more of your explanation on what is going on... I totally agree. You need to check fibrogen levels by doing the blood tests.
You can go to the walk-in place.. or call your doc now and get them to order the blood work by phone and go to the lab.
I would do the walk-in place.. as they can get answers faster.. and you may not get the results over the weekend from your normal Lyme office.
It is ONE little blood test... that will eliminate the need to search and search for other causes.. and when you can't pin-point it after all that research effort... they will STILL require you to go get the test anyhow.
PLUS.. they can fix it if they know it is happening. You can't.
Tincup
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And you are overdue for normal blood work.. and I would like to see the results of a CBC and liver panel too since this is happening... soooooooooo........
GO!
Have a CHEESEBURGER on your way home. And let me know ASAP... or I will have to call you again this week!
Thrombocytopenia is the term for a reduced platelet (thrombocyte) count. It happens when platelets are lost from the circulation faster than they can be replaced from the bone marrow where they are made.
It is good to see you on here but not because you are having more problems.
Someone mentioned thrombocytopenia and I wanted to share some experience with you.
My grandson started having nosebleeds a LOT and he was SO tired. Then he began having petichia (sp??) which was brusing that sometimes was in the shape of the crease in a shirt or pants or just pressure points.
The doc gave him dx of Idiopathic Thrombocytopenic Purpura. He was not on any medications. Doc said it was autoimmune disease. He was treated but I don't remember the meds he took.
Not long afterwards, his knees began hurting him a lot and then his elbows...they swelled and he was diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis.
Then later, my daughter had read a lot of research about his symptoms and she came across Lyme disease. He tested positive through the WB but his pediatric rheumy wouldn't do anything about it. His little brother has ADD and had a couple of positive bands on the WB.
Neither have had treatment yet. Daughter and son-in-law are trying to get money together to get them to see Dr. J.
So, it seems ITP can be related to Lyme itself and not necessarily meds, but since I'm no MD I would't know how to rule it out. I'm thinking my grandson was put on steroids for a while until my daughter refused them.
I am so sorry you are having more symptoms. It seems that so many of us are experiencing more illness lately.
Sending you my love,
Janet
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Melanie Reber
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OK, so before anyone else gets to yelling at me for not checking back in...TOTALLY my fault...
I called the doc, he called right back and had me go in to do some bloodwork STAT.
IF anything is wrong, it should show up tonight, but most likely there isn't anything to worry about! (that last thought was mine)
He was concerned about a reaction to the Bicillin or heaven forbid, Stevens Johnson syndrome...so I have the list of what to look out for and the instructions to head to the ER IF there is another problem.
I am certain that is NOT going to happen, and this is just another TBD thing that will go away.
But, just to be on the safe side, I will have some tomatoes to wash down that cheeseburger!
Thanks again to each of you! And I WILL update ya IF needed, OK? (SO SORRY!)
Much love, M
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Really glad you went. Looking forward to hearing how things go.
With best wishes,
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When I first started treatment I had nose bleeds for three weeks then they stopped.
My son whom I think has lyme but hasn't been tested has been having nose bleeds for over four years. They are always worse in the winter when it is dry. He has had his nose cartarized three different times but he started getting them again this winter. I have had many nose bleeds but mine have never bled as bad as his does. One time we just about couldn't get them stopped and was considering going to the emergancy room.
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Thanks for reporting back, Melanie. I was worried and just saw this now.
I feel better that the doc called you and the bloodwork is done.
I bet everything is fine, too, but it sure would be good to be sure. I'm thinking about you.
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tabbytamer
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Melanie,
So sorry you're going through this. When I was on Bicillin, I would get spine pain and headaches within a few hours. All I could do was curl up in bed under a warm blankie.
But never nose bleeds. Please let us know, if you don't mind, how the lab tests read, okay?
Oh, and if I could make one suggestion, why not put the tomatoes on the cheeseburger?
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