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I have neuro Bb from about 15 years. Right now I'm on antibiotic course from 4 months. And nothing changed from this meds. Ok, nearly nothing... A week ago, I decided to turn on the Stephania tetrandra herb for my problems with eyes, headaches, head pressure and much more similar ones. So, the first day after third capsule of this herb, my face, eyes starts to burn and I had a severe pain in my head. The second and the third day was exactly the same! I took only 3 capsules of this herb! Is anyone there who have same reactions? Anyone who is taking Stephanias with abx: cefuroxim, azitro, tinidazol? Is it ok to take this herb with this kind of antibiotics? My doc in Poland doesn't know to much in this, but Buhner says that is ok to take it together with any abx... I'm a bit scared right now and desperatly searching for any answer on this reaction. Thanks for any help.
-------------------- All the best... Marcin Posts: 8 | From Poland | Registered: Mar 2007
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MariaA
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I did get some mild eye herx symptoms on stephania- and I really never experience herxing in general. (I'm also not neuro-Lyme from what we can tell, my neuro/confusion/brainfog symptoms went away quickly with detox and antibiotics and haven't returned, so my situation might be very different than yours). ANyway, my symptoms when taking stephania for the first time were a mild 'soreness' in the eyes- sort of like when you haven't slept enough- and puffiness under the eyes that I hadn't seen before. It was really mild and went away after a couple of weeks on the herb (which I continue to take).
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suggestions from another patient (I am not a medical professional!):
Have you tried backing down from this dosage?
Have you tried stopping it completely to see if it's the herb and not something else?
Maybe you're allergic, or maybe you are just experiencing a herx like you say. Are you taking anything for binding of the toxins from the borellia- such as chlorella, or bentonite clay, or cholestyramine/welchol?
Sometimes when people have had a hard time with andrographis they've had to back down to 1/4 or 1/2 a pill at a time, and didn't take it multiple times a day. Maybe stephania is the same way for you (again, these are just my guesses, I'd hate to give you bad advice and have it turn out to be an allergy instead!)
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Marcin, as Maria says, go slow with herbs. Some can be very potent, and as abx, they can cause allergic reactions.
Buhner is a great believer on stephania. Also be careful with sources of stephania, it is one of hte herbs that can be mistaken easily.
Some guys in Belgium died after using the wrong 'stephania' (it was another plant that looks very similar to stephania), but it was a mortal mistake. Read that in Buhner's book.
Be sure your stephania is really stephania.
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By all means, start out VERY slow.
I started on ONLY ONE pill a day of it for several days, then upped it to two pills a day, etc..
Right now, I am on Stephania in tincture form only. I took the capsule, powdered form for about 16 months, then added in the tincture last month and was taking two capsules a day along with two (2) half droppers full of the tincture.
Now I am on ONLY the tincture, along with all my other herbs of course.
I only had about two hours sleep last night and my vision was quite blurry most of today and my head felt "dull".
I just finished supper, and my second dose of herbs for the day, and all of a sudden I can see great again. Don't know HOW LONG it will last sitting here at the computer, but I was amazed at how good it was all of a sudden. Strange.
Go slow in the beginning though on herbs, especially if you are on abx also. AND be SURE to be taking Lymph system cleansers.
quote:Originally posted by MariaA: I'm also not neuro-Lyme from what we can tell, my neuro/confusion/brainfog symptoms went away quickly with detox and antibiotics and haven't returned, so my situation might be very different than yours).
Yes, it is different My neuro symptoms didn't go away and I don't think they quickly will... Right now I'm going to stop taking this herb and will see... Is stephania crossing bbb?
quote:Originally posted by hardynaka: Buhner is a great believer on stephania. Also be careful with sources of stephania, it is one of hte herbs that can be mistaken easily.
Thanks for warning. I just found stephania here: http://www.schubertapotheke.at/TCgi/TCgi.cgi?target=home What do you think? It looks ok for me. It's a pharmacy, not a shaman shop. They have a lot of herbs there and it's a nearest place from Poland... Do you think that 3 pills a day is OK for starting or should I start from 1 pill just like Jim said?
quote:Originally posted by JimBob: Go slow in the beginning though on herbs, especially if you are on abx also. AND be SURE to be taking Lymph system cleansers.
Thanks Jim. I started from 3 pills a day just like I said and I understand that it's quite a big load for the beginning. Is that correct? Should I stop taking this now and what will happen? What kind of lymph system cleansers are you talking? Is that chlorella for example?
quote:Originally posted by Cass A: Buhner does talk about Stephania being a potentiator of other herbs and drugs. Look over the chapter in the book carefully about this.
Sure, I've seen it. But he does talk about taking harbs with antibiotics and other drug also. And he says that there is no problem with it. Is it correct or am I wrong? I just can't imagine how will I feel with 8 or 12 or 16 pills a day!
-------------------- All the best... Marcin Posts: 8 | From Poland | Registered: Mar 2007
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I'm late to this discussion. But I am using the Stephania Root, so my experience may be helpful to share...
I decided to use this because it is specific for neuro issues (crosses blood brain barrier) and because it increases effectiveness of other drugs (I think because of circulatory system effects).
I started with the powder in capsules for the first couple of weeks. I took two capsules with morning and evening meals.
I was not on any major killers at the time, just most of Buhner's support protocol supplements for neuro and collagen issues. No noticeable herx symptoms. Also, I was taking the detoxing herbals at the same time.
I started my homemade Stephania Root tincture about a month later. Still without any major killers added in. Still no noticeable herx.
I was feeling so good I worked intermittently for four hours in the yard on a sunny day and got a nasty herx. (Pounding headache, scratchy eyes, joint pain, fatigue.) Took about three days to recover. I am so thankful I recovered to quickly!
Finally I added in an herbal anti-microbial (Quina) two weeks ago. My main herx-like symptoms have been a return of the skin itch/rash (but not nearly as bad a before) and new intestinal symptoms. (Painful bloating/gas/runs.)
I would guess since I had so many neuro issues at the beginning, that the neuro support protocol has been key to regaining ground in that area. Now other things are stirring up.
I would not think of adding Stephania Root to antibiotics if you don't have other support and detox protocols in place. In my basically newbie opinion, increasing the kill rate could be more harm than good in that situation.
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Hi Marcin,
YES, three pills a day CAN be way to much.
For some it is not. For some one may be too much in the beginning.
I had terrible stomach pains BEFORE I started herbs and/or abx. I started herbs FIRST, after relapsing from abx taken years earlier.
SO, I started on one pill a day, then tried another herb at one pill a day, etc.. The FIRST day that I took herbs, I actually took one pill that day of three different herbs, and I had gas so bad it was dangerous to go to sleep.
Before you laugh TOO hard and split your gut, let me tell you, I have an illeostomy; and believe me I do NOT want a lot of gas when I go to sleep at night.
Of the three herbs I took, I found out the BIG gas maker was the Devil's Claw. BUT I also discovered IT was the BEST herb to make my vision good. So, it found that IF I only took it two times a day, instead of three, I got by okay with it at night. Also, it produces less gas once your system gets used to it.
As far as WHAT cleaners of the Lymph system to take Buhner recommends Red Root tincture as the BEST Lymph system out there. Not the strongest but the best that you can take without a prescription and not getting the average person into trouble. Also Milk Thistle in capsules is good. AND I like Sarsaparilla for cleansing the blood, plus it is good for many other things.
I HAD to give up on abx back in February 2006 as it hurt my stomach no matter WHAT I took to help it. Once I quit the abx and kept taking C-Salts from nutri.com, my stomach got just about cured.
I never took YOUR abx, so I can't comment on that at all, and I am not and MD, just a DM.
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