Battle against cell towers includes health concerns
By JULIE ANN GRIMM | The New Mexican May 6, 2007
Panel explores dangers of wireless technology; local officials wrestle with other tower issues
A widely known doctor and neural therapist who formerly practiced in Santa Fe is among those who want more doctors and scientists across the globe to recognize what they argue are devastating health effects from electromagnetic fields and wireless technology.
``This is a huge problem,'' said Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, speaking Saturday at the Eldorado Hotel during the annual meeting of the World Congress of Integrated Medicines, called ``Electromagnetic Factors in Health: An Invisible Pandemic.''
``It's bigger than mercury. It's bigger than Lyme disease. It's bigger than anything we've dealt with in medicine, yet physicians, some of whom are in the room, are not looking into this,'' Klinghardt said.
Klinghardt pointed to his work at the Seattle-based Institute for Neurobiology that treats autistic children by lessening exposure to electromagnetic fields including certain electric wiring in their homes.
He also urged people to investigate data about how communications towers for cellular telephones cause abnormal EKG readings in children as far away as 1.6 miles. Each person in the United States is affected by as many as 50 such towers -- including those now commonly hidden in church steeples or made to look like trees -- in any given location, he said.
Other speakers said cell phones and wireless technology are the cause of myriad disorders including cancer, insomnia, fatigue, immune system problems, low sperm count and high blood pressure.
People in Santa Fe are already up in arms about the potential health hazards of wireless devices and communication towers, with a handful of people affected with electromagnetic sensitivity leading a charge against a city plan to employ wireless Internet in government buildings and perhaps at large in the downtown area.
An informational presentation by Wi-Fi opponent Arthur Firstenberg is planned for 7 p.m. May 14 at the Santa Fe Woman's Club, 161 Old Pecos Trail. Firstenberg regularly speaks out against projects including cell towers proposed for erection.
Local elected officials, however, indicate federal rules about communication devices don't allow them to impose much authority. Santa Fe County, for example, has had recent challenges in dealing with a company that wants to erect new communications towers and with neighboring landowners who oppose the idea.
While Edgewood residents dropped an appeal of a New Cingular Wireless tower earlier this spring, the county commission is set to deliberate a proposed tower in Madrid again in the coming months.
The board first denied the company permission to build a tower on a hilltop on private land in Madrid, south of Santa Fe. When Cingular filed a District Court appeal, the board then voted in December to reconsider the case. Commissioners have not discussed the case in a public meeting since then, and it is not listed on an agenda for Tuesday's regular board meeting.
In the meantime, the county and Cingular met with people in Madrid who opposed the siting of the tower.
Heather French, who lives near the proposed site, was one of several community members on the committee. French said efforts to negotiate another site failed when Cingular refused to change its proposal.
French said she's also been frustrated that federal rulings prohibit much local decision-making power based on health concerns. Plenty of other problems with the proposed site make it objectionable, she said, chief among them is that the location is in a historic district.
Set to expire next week is a second court-approved delay in the county's deadline to respond to the appeal, but county spokesman Stephen Ulibarri said state District Judge James Hall has already agreed to allow another stay.
In Edgewood, it was local residents acting without an attorney who appealed the county's decision in October 2006 to allow a 36-foot cell tower on land near an elementary school. But by this spring, two of the three plaintiffs, Ellen and Lynette Curley-Roam, had dropped the appeal and moved away; the third didn't want to continue alone. The Curely-Roams were not available for comment.
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He said the same thing years ago when he urged me to pull our fuses in the house at night to avoid some of the EMF. Even though I am an old lady already, avoiding EMF, etc. played a huge role in my being cured from Lyme Disease.
Electromagnetic exposure and heavy metals anyone? Can you see the sparks flying? "Common sense is not so common" -- also a Klinghardt expression.
Be smart about it and take care.
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I suspect Dr. K. is right about this....
In this new book I just read - The Homeopathic Treatment of Lyme Disease by Peter Alex (in Germany) - he made a statement that I found quite interesting....
He mentions that several of his Lyme patients could actually trace the onset of their Lyme symptoms back to the point where they began using a mobile phone or a time when a cell phone tower was erected nearby. (!)
So, having Borrelia b. in your blood may or may not cause you symptoms right away, as we have seen on this board many times with spouses testing positive who have no symptoms.
But cell phone use and cell phone towers may be just one trigger that can set the whole "Lyme Disease Complex" in motion.
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"Science" is plentiful if you look beyond USA Today. But it does take the will to open eyes and ears. Most of us are not ready for that.
The list below has grown immensely over the last few years. But I am not keeping track of it any longer --- for obvious reasons.
RRENT SWITCH: VHS Video How to Reduce or Eliminate Electromagnetic Pollution in the Home & Office by John & Trish Banta
The only of its kind! A very practical and easy to watch video guide to detecting and minimizing unwanted man-made EMFs. Includes step-by-step information on how to deal with electric blankets, water beds, computers, microwave transmitters, radar, and household wiring! Must watching for home buyers, electric sensitives, and anyone concerned about EMFs. 1994
Current Switch Video (Cat. #A610)....................$29.95 Make sure to get 2nd edition
WARNING: THE ELECTRICITY AROUND YOU MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH by Ellen Sugarman Originally published in 1992 and out of print for several years, this investigative journalist has revised, improved, and expanded her original work and made it available once again. Clearly written for the non-technical reader but absolutely right on with useful and practical information for understanding, detecting, and reducing EMFs. Topics include: EMF controversy explained, how to do an EMF survey, what do the studies prove?, managing EMFs at work, and current EMF litigation. Comprehensive and relevant. Highly recommended. 1997.
Warning: The Electricity Around You ... (Cat. #A525) ...... $17.00
ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS A Consumer's Guide to the Issues and How to Protect Ourselves by B. Blake Levitt
A frank, balanced, informative book explaining where electromagnetic fields are in nature, what illnesses may have a connection to EMFs, why doctors' knowledge may be limited, how the safety of homes and offices can be determined, and what action citizens and communities can take toward protection. 400 pages. 1995 Regular price: $15.00
Electromagnetic Fields (Cat. #A580)....$16.00
SILENCING THE FIELDS A Practical Guide to Reducing AC Magnetic Fields by Ed Leeper Ed Leeper (who worked with Wirtheimer in the 1970's on the ground breaking study linking EMFs with childhood cancer) has finally published his considerable thoughts and experience dealing with electromagnetic fields. He covers in depth the concepts of net current, fields from water lines, improper electrical wiring practices and how to correct them. Then he goes on to selecting an EMF meter, principles of practical magnetic shielding, considerations for fluorescent lighting, small appliances, radiant heating etc., etc. Written in a candid language with ample illustrations. Clear enough for the patient layperson, and specific enough for the electrician, engineer or physicist. This is the PRACTICAL solutions book we have all been looking for. 340 pages, 2001
Silencing The Fields (Cat. #A547) .............................. $49.50
TRACING EMFs in Building Wiring and Grounding by Karl Riley A practical guide for reducing AC magnetic fields produced by building wiring and improper grounding practices. Step by step instructions for detecting wiring problems and a full description of common wiring errors and how to correct them. This guide is for anyone who wants to inspect their own home, electricians and electrical inspectors, those starting a new profession in EMF consulting, as well as those involved with the process of building construction such as architects and contractors. Utility personnel involved in EMF measurements can profit from this information. 71 pages, soft cover book. 1995
TRACING MAGNETIC FIELDS IN BUILDING WIRING Video by Karl Riley This video graphically explains how certain wiring errors create high magnetic fields. It shows step-by-step methods of measuring the fields and then how to find the faulty circuit and the wiring error. Created under a grant from California Health Services to help school electricians reduce the magnetic fields found in the state's schools during a 90-school magnetic field survey. Filmed by the video dept. of Southern California Edison and using their graphics animation to show how the currents move in misconnected circuits. Written and hosted by Karl Riley, author of Tracing EMFs in Building Wiring and Grounding. VHS 23 minutes.
Tracing Magnetic Fields... Video (Cat. #A531) ........ $19.95
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I noticed that I became ill right after buying my computer in 2000 and also my first cell phone. Minor sx for years before but triggered around that time.
When I was really ill I could not talk on a cell or look at a computer for more than 5 mins.
We are all in trouble if this is what is going on. Protective devices are most likely a futile effort.
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Here are some of my notes taken during a 2006 Conference on the subject of EMF exposure (, attended by MD's, DDS's, and ND's, etc.), all of whom now Lyme literates.
So if our glands are no longer able to produce the necessary hormones to lead a happy healthy life, it's a place to start looking. All of us seem to suffer from a dysfunctional thyroid. I learned along the way that to just look at Lyme simply doesn't work and trying to solve our problems with a few more antibiotics simply does not work either.
Lyme - Electrosmog and Geopathic Stress
What do we know today? What's the problem? How does it affect us? What can we do?
What's the problem?
The US is a leader in sacrificing generations of its own children in the name of corporate wealth and health: in well informed circles it is now known that only one in 10 children is medically (asthma, obesity, fatigue), neurologically (hyerpactivity, dyslexia, ASD, etc.) and psychologically (depression, socially inapt, etc.) healthy at age 6 (entry into public school system). The numbers have increased exponentially in recent years. In Germany it is one in 4 children who are still healthy at that age.
In adults, present with loss of: zest, short term memory, creativity, sex drive and potency. Also: insomnia, fatigue, dulling of the senses. Dramatic increase of neurological and psychiatric illness.
Our own findings relate over 90% of these illnesses to the synergistic effect of FM, low frequency and microwave radiation and the interaction with mold/yeast, heavy metal toxicity and chronic bacterial infections (Lyme, strep, mycoplasma, Chlamydia).
Main Sources of pathogenic EMF radiation
Electric Household appliances (Razors, hairdryers, etc) Fluorescent Lighting (separates + and - wiring) Lamp or alarm clock on nightstand (if plug the wrong way and ungrounded) Electric wiring in home Nearby powerline Laptop computer Wrist watch Switched-off cell phone in pocket
Known medical effects: decreases pineal function with decreased melatonin production, opens blood brain barrier, increased leukemia and cancer rates, brain fog, synergistic effect with all other types of radiation
Pulsed EMF with sharp pulse rise (10- 100 Hz)
DECT system (and others) of cordless phones Radar from nearby airport Alarm system in homes
Known medical effects: disturbs all known intrinsic rhythms (EEG, heart rate variability, breathing pattern, 24 hr meridian activity, bowel movements, detoxification, etc.) blocks blood-brain and gut barrier (leaky gut syndrome) in stuck-open position, synergistic effect with other fields, increases mold growth in homes
Microwave
Cell phone radiation from base station (affects blood brain barrier in 1.6 mile radius) Wireless internet, WLAN, etc. Blue Tooth technology Some home alarm systems
Known medical effects: increases cancer rate 3-fold in 10 years after cell phone radiation is brought into a community - after a 5-year incubation period. Severe EEG, HRV (Heart Rate Variability) and EKG changes, delayed and disturbed brain development in infants, decreased melatonin and hormone production, open blood brain barrier with increased toxicity, affects endothelial cells in gut mucosa and endothelium (dysfunctional), responsible for illness and death of trees.
Electro smog reduces melatonin in the pineal gland. Why is this bad?
Melatonin induces sleep. We only heal and detoxify in deep non-rem sleep. Without melatonin, no regeneration and no
(by the way, if you take Melatonin and wake up with a hangover, look at it as displaced mercury)
Melatonin is the most effective and potent neuroprotective chemical in the CNS and prevents damage from mercury, lead, aluminum, chemicals, mycotoxins, viruses, cigarette smoke, bacterial and parasitic endo- and exotoxins (Lyme, clostridia, ascaris), outgasing of carpets and new car plastics, etc.
Take care.
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I'm sure the science is there, but how does one keep up with it. How is a person supposed to survive in this world, let alone get better.
I'm only 10 days post amalgam removal, have had metals bouncing around my body for days, contemplated suicide more in the past week than ever.
I barely get one thing fixed before I find another thing wrong. Finally got the mercury out. Got on disability. Yes, I live 800 feet from a cell tower. This makes me want to jump off a bridge.
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Odd! I just bought two of the EMF devices today--for my bedroom. The homeopath/bioenergetic medicine practitioner I am seeing suggests you turn off the circuit breaker in your bedroom at night. But I use soundmakers I could not sleep without given the noise in my apartment building and on the nearby highway. So I got those instead.
I also brought him my ultraportable laptop and he tested me on it with a battery and with it plugged in. He was surprised that it was pretty okay. I think that's because its essentially a small battery operated device. Its about 3 pounds at most. I'm happy I have something to work on that I know is okay.
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I'm sure the science is there, but how does one keep up with it. How is a person supposed to survive in this world, let alone get better.
I'm only 10 days post amalgam removal, have had metals bouncing around my body for days, contemplated suicide more in the past week than ever.
I barely get one thing fixed before I find another thing wrong. Finally got the mercury out. Got on disability. Yes, I live 800 feet from a cell tower. This makes me want to jump off a bridge.
Sorry, answered your e-mail a few minutes ago. Won't repeat it here. Don't jump yet - do something --- if it is only tapping MFT or EFT.
In general, we will all survive by reducing the overall toxic load that we all carry as much as humanly possible. Make certain that you are not constipated. Having one bowel movement a day = constipation. Take enough of the right type of Mag Malate and a good Vitam C (not corn derived - because we are allergically stressed with corn already)to assure two BM's a day. Cut back to proper consistency.
Move if you can see a mobile phone tower from your window. Many of them are now hidden in such a way - i.e. they look like roof tiles on some houses. The people who permit this on their own property are paid a fee, they don't suffer; you as the nearby neighbor suffers. Be alert to all that.
Open your eyes and forget attacking Lyme only. Most of us are sick because we are toxic and happen to be exposed to the microbial toxins that finally brought our body down --- the straw that broke the camel's back. If you ask Dr. K. or any other knowledgable doctor, most people have been exposed to microbial infections and many are able to handle them fine. Some of us can't and have got to unload - all or some - including the emotional garbage that affects our body chemistry more than anything else.
Take care.
Take care.
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quote:Originally posted by treepatrol: Show me the science
Have you read the book: "Why Your House May Be Endangering Your Health"?
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Jim, that's why we keep hanging on to our "slow" land-line instead of wireless! And I have probably said it before, use only a corded telephone - the old fashioned telephone that you can't lose by carrying it around the house.
Take care.
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quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: I suspect Dr. K. is right about this....
In this new book I just read - The Homeopathic Treatment of Lyme Disease by Peter Alex (in Germany) - he made a statement that I found quite interesting....
He mentions that several of his Lyme patients could actually trace the onset of their Lyme symptoms back to the point where they began using a mobile phone or a time when a cell phone tower was erected nearby. (!)
Several Lyme patients could as well trace the onset of their Lyme symptoms back to the point where they began using a microwave oven, moved to a new house, began using internet, got married, etc. etc.
Do you get my point?
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I do believe cell phones and towers are not good for you.
I had an intense on set of LD way before cell phones were around and shortly after sitting in a meadow leaning on a tree in the middle of a hike. I also had a bulls eye rash.
After reading Klinghardt's weird rant on the flu for a flu season that turned out to be not so bad (2005-2006) I just think the man is kind of out there.
His flu rant is still posted on his website under "other articles" and to me it seems out and out paranoid to the point of being embrassing.
Oh and if anyone wants to buy a home in Maui his is for sale on his website. Maybe it is right next to a cell phone tower..
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I became sicker after moving to a home with a strong cell tower nearby, and I became much sicker during a time I used a cell phone alot.
I had no idea why the cell phone made my head hot.
I wasn't thinking clearly enough to question it.
I thought a brand name phone and cell phone company wouldn't possibly sell something dangerous.
I hope I learn to trust my gut instincts more and controlling authority figures less.
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Yea, I think it's probably a huge deal. Thanks for posting the reminder.
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Jim, that's why we keep hanging on to our "slow" land-line instead of wireless!
If your talking about sticking with dial-up internet as opposed to broadband, you don't need wireless for broadband. You can definitely get a traditional wired router and-or cable/dsl modem like I have. For a cable modem of course you'll need a cable line installed, for DSL (if available), you just use your existing phone line.
I've never liked wireless to be honest. It's insecure, and emits more EM radiation.
You can always used shielded RJ-45 cable, and it can be run quite far, and throughout buildings. I used to work as a security system tech and ran wire through quite a few industrial buildings.
Not sure if that's what you meant. If I misread and you already know that oh well no harm in being sure/pointing it out.
There are different standards that computer cases come with for Electro-Magnetic Radiation emissions. I forget what the better standard is called. You ideally want a good quality steel case, with metal parts covering everything.
Also, for more protection, you can get what's called a KVM extender (keyboard, video, monitor) , and put your computer case tucked away in a closet (with optional shielding) away from where you sit, so it's not blasting EMR at your genitals or face.
LCD (the flat ones) monitors I believe emit less radiation than traditional CRT's (the big ones), but be aware that they are back-lit by fluorescent lights. Hopefully LED back-lit ones will be economically available in the near future. There are already new LED back-lit LCD TV's for sale (expensive though!).
I should really heed my own advice on the EMR avoidance, I'm just sorta poor so it'll take me a bit to get around to it.
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Where I live the cable company stopped coming up our one way rural street 8 houses away and refuses to go any further.
My neighbor/landlord has satellite for his computer and television. He bought something recently so that I can get on the internet using my airport. Is this bad?
Would dial up be better for me and what about the satellite for the television?
My IBook has a white plastic case - should I have bought a better computer with a metal case.
Thank you for all this info.
I think 20/20 or one of those shows did a show about how bad cell phones are for you and the cell phone companies are lying about how much radiation comes out of them.
The owner of Virgin Atlantic was on the show and he said "Everytime you put a cell phone to your ear you are frying your brain". His good friend died from brain cancer they think due to cell phone use.
According to the show studies done in Europe show that when a cell user gets a brain tumor it is on the side of the head where they use their ear for talking on their cell phone.
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quote:Originally posted by Vanilla: My neighbor/landlord has satellite for his computer and television. He bought something recently so that I can get on the internet using my airport. Is this bad?
Would dial up be better for me and what about the satellite for the television?
My IBook has a white plastic case - should I have bought a better computer with a metal case.
Your neighbor/landlord setup a wifi within your range I'm assuming. Are you saying he has sattelite internet? As far as I know, sattelite internet is pretty crappy, because even though the downstream speeds can be decent, upstream is still really slow.
Since you are already going to be exposed to it, it may not be that much worse if you take advantage of it by using a wifi (your airport) card.
It's really up to you, to weigh such potential risks and benefits. Personally, I couldn't stand living without broadband.
As far as your iBook and it's plastic case, its plastic coated sure, but it probably has some shielding at least. Laptops are pretty bad though, because people often put them on top of their laps! There are ways to measure the EMR, do some searches on the net for info.
That's an interesting tidbit about the virgin atlantic owner, and the tumor on the listening side of the head/brain.
For anybody who doubts EMR (Electro-Magnetic Radiation) dangers, don't be so ignorant. It's not "show me the data proving its dangerous", you should be thinking, "show me the data showing its safe."
The fact is, a lot of EMR safety standards were devised originally for shoter term military-type safety standard applications. No long term, regular use studies on humans have really been conducted, nor is it really even feasible for such studies TO be conducted anymore (controls, anybody?)
There is probably more interesting foreign research of the dangers, than domestic research. I have read enough to convince myself, and anybody who looks around with the least bit of effort, I'm sure can dig up some for themselves too.
Here's a couple links to start with though. I did have a link to this really good site chock full of studies (Foreign and American), but I cannot find it in my bookmarks right now.
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Thanks for the info I am now removing my laptop from my lap....
What the show I saw on cell phones said was the radiation levels coming out of cell phones are much higher then the companies calm and the producers of the show had to get the phones tested in Europe because the labs in the USA refused to do so.
Heck yeah cell phones are bad for you and the cell phone companies like the CDC and most politicians do not care about our health or safety in the least. The cell phone companies are getting away with murder and are unregulated. They must have a strong lobby.
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Great! I live right across from a cell phone tower and have at least five deer visit my yard everyday...
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I do want to say tho that, unknowingly, I became gradually sicker with Lyme in the early 1980s after a 1981 tickbite when there were no cell phones around, no computers, no microwaves, etc. So it is possible to just get sick with Lyme, too.
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Move to where they have no cell towers?
Our area tried fighting the company that was installing them on a hill. Good luck. They are building them EVERYWHERE. Corporations rule the world-Korten.
Food(land), air, water=pollution.
Air, water purifiers. Organic foods.
Take all your amalgam teeth out. What are dentures made of? Plastics.Replace teeth with what?
Clean your home with vinegar and water? Can you handle the smell if you have hypersensitivities to smell? I even considered living in a yurt. Too close to ticks.
No carpets=slippery floors for my 90 year old Dad.
Sorry. I need to state some things I have and am willing to try to change. It just is so overwhelming but I DO keep trying to 'clean' up my environment.
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Just Me, if your point is that there are any number of "triggers" that can set the symptom ball rolling with Lyme Disease, then I couldn't agree with you more.
The cell phone issue just happens to be one that hasn't received much attention yet and not many people believe there is a problem at all.
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i use a Q-link emf protector it does seem to help myself and others
i am working on my own crystal driven protection systems now that will hopefully be more powerful
has anyone here seen the experiment where they took two cell phones, called each other, put an egg in between and cooked it? the waves are similar to those used in the microwave, which is also very harmful for health.
since i have been able to feel energy, the cell phone really bothers me a lot. i can feel it heating up my head and it hurts. i can feel the whole energy field. i can feel the cooking in my head. i use my ear piece a lot, which helps some, although i can still feel it sometimes.
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Thanks for that info about KVM extenders. Sounds like a great idea, rather than sitting at a desk with a tower right under it.
I have a small ultraportable I've been using and it doesn't have a lot of EMF (according to my practitioner who tested me). The EMF's drop off pretty rapidly, especially when its on battery rather than plug in. However don't put it on your lap!
I can feel the field from my cellphone and use it rarely. The new cellphones are much stronger. The first two I had, I did not feel.
I use broadband but a cabled LAN network so that my home is not being bathed in wireless. But who knows what the neighbors are doing. They may well have wifi and I'm sure it goes in all directions.
The problem is the assaults are everywhere. For instance, organic milk--did you know the cows are fed soy and corn (even if organic) which is a bad diet, and that they are milked while pregnant, so the amount of hormones is 10 times normal in the milk? What about your environment? Plastics have poisons, and yes, amalgams are really bad, but plastic fillings arent great either, they are endocrine disrupters. New cars offgass poisons for 3 years before they're actually really safe. Industrial waste has poisoned many places and people didn't know. There's a park in Baltimore that is poisoned (the ground) with arsenic from prior industry. They knew this in 1981 and told nobody and the kids played there and the football teams practiced there. So they all got exposed to arsenic which will increase their chances of cancer etc.
You do the best you can. You may end up near a cellphone tower, or a park with arsenic, or dutifully drinking your organic milk not knowing its got 10 times the hormones. Even my raw Amish milk, they unfortunately do milk the cows most of the year (while pregnant).
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I'm cutting the circuit breaker from my bedroom at night.
I think I feel better quality in sleep (need less hours of sleep and I sleep deeper).
Cutting the circuit breaker was indicated as a treatment for persistent chills I got since I caught lyme almost 2 years ago.
It seems to be working, but I have to do it for longer to be sure.
I would NEVER imagine that wires INSIDE the wall would cause disruption of hormones. I had already taken off all machines from my bedroom (including lamps), but it didn't help as much. Now I'm trying to cut the circuit breaker.
AS I go on with the treatment, I feel like returning back in time, cooking like gradma did in those heavy iron pans, moving around in the night with torches or candles, or following the light of the moon...
I wonder what to do with this computer. All wireless, keyboard, mouse, modem, a huge screen....
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quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: Just Me, if your point is that there are any number of "triggers" that can set the symptom ball rolling with Lyme Disease, then I couldn't agree with you more.
The cell phone issue just happens to be one that hasn't received much attention yet and not many people believe there is a problem at all.
Tracy
Yes, there could be several triggers. But the point I was trying to make, is that such can be explained as coincidence as well. See, there are always certain events happening in one's life at the same time of the onset of Lyme symptoms. And since there are thousands of Lyme patients, there will often be several others who share the same event that happened at the same time of the onset of Lyme symptoms.
So, one needs to carefully look into the data, comparing how often Lyme patients could and couldn't trace the onset of their Lyme symptoms back to the point where they began using a mobile phone or a time when a cell phone tower was erected nearby. Then one might be able to tell if the occurrence is greater than what would be expected if it were only coincidence.
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So how does one even attempt to get an idea of how much EMF's are emitted from a cell tower 800 ft. away.
My poor husband is running around with some detector thing trying to measure emf's around the house.
He is going to walk up the hill to the tower soon. Who will give you the straight scoop on this? The owner of the tower? We know the owner of the land, of course, its a small town. Where do you start to find out if the tower has to be put so many feet from housing or if there are no regulations at all?
This is so overwhelming. But any thoughts are appreciated.
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I use a himalayan salt lamp in my computer room to help neutralize the EMFs.
Apparenly salt lamps are natural negative ionizers. Here's a quote from an article:
"When the gentle heat from the lamp (or candle burner) warms the crystal, they emit a negative electrical charge, thus ionising our atmosphere and interacting with our own bioenergetic field, and helping to neutralize harmful EMF radiation"
It seems to really work for me. I am actually going to be getting two more, one for near my TV and one for the bedroom.
I also read as a helpful hint that if you do have electronic equipment that releases harmful EMF one thing you can do to mitigate it is to make sure that it is backed up against an outside wall so that all the EMF goes outside.
EMF can go through walls so you want to make sure that none of your electronics is backed up to where you sit on the couch or in bed, for example.
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Is everyone affected?
Bodyweight, body mass index, bone density, etc. alter the conductivity and receptivity of the organism.
Water and electrolyte content alter the antenna function of the organism (dehydration is protective and therefore most often adaptive!)
Touching the earth and spending time in healthy fields (i.e. old growth forect) discharge static electricity and restores normal electric tissue properties.
Heavy metal depositis in brain and Central Nervous System act as micro-antennae (Y. Omura)m concentrate EMP radiation into the brain and increase reception.
Dental metal restorations increase reception for both radio waves, micro current from cell phone broadcasting and from all ambient fields.
Genes regulate the metal detoxifying enzymes and can predetermine people to be electro-sensitive.
Any loss of myelin (=insulation) increases reception (MS, Lyme, other demyelinating illnesses and auto-immune processes).
Synergistic effect between geopathic earth radiation, metallic objects in home (mattress, artwork, frames), electric and magnetic fields from appliances and household current and incoming microwave from cell phone.
(as discussed at a late 2006 Energy Medicine seminar by Institute of Neurobiology/Dr. K)
Take care.
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Simple ways to help yourself and your willing neighbor by Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, PhD
Your system is by the factor of hundreds of times more sensitive during sleep. Most suggestions are based on this simple fact:
....Shut off ALL fuses at night. Buy a flashlight. Better: have a"demand switch" installed by a knowledgable electrician (rare to find). Move children's bed away from wall (3 feet).
....Get rid of cordless phones at home and get corded phone
....Use PC rather than laptop whenever possible. Have "box" as far away from chair as possible (best: outside, since computers outgas Beryllium, mercury, lead and PBDEs
....No wireless internet at home or in office
....Use metallized grounding sheet under regular bed sheet with ground wire either in earth (best) or attached to metal waterpipe (not the ground in electric outlet, since most often 60Hz flicker on it).
....Install metallized mosquito net (Baldachin) to deflect incoming microwave
....In office, or if possible at home: use metallized paint or conductive Silica paint on walls
....Have experienced ART practitioner or Building-Biology expert check home for geopathic radiation and move bed location or work-site accordingly
....If you are chronically unwell or have a diagnosed medical illness and you have not responded to treatment, assume that electrosmop is keepiong you from getting well. Fix it!
Take care.
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quote: He mentions that several of his Lyme patients could actually trace the onset of their Lyme symptoms back to the point where they began using a mobile phone or a time when a cell phone tower was erected nearby. (!)
I'm sorry, but I know my symptoms started soon after I was bit by a deer tick....and I'd been using computers and cell phones for at least 15 years before that point. At least in my case, Lyme symptoms had nothing to do with EMF.
And what about all those people who are getting better w/rife?
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It's cumulative!!!!!! Some take one month of exposure - some take fifteen years of exposure - then a tick bite is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Here is some to help yourself -- that's what I was told when I was barely navigating through the day:
If you do not absolutely have to use a cell phone, get rid of it. Making monthly payments drives the industry and leads to the installation of more broadcasting panels in your neighborhood.
If you continue using a cell phone, get ear piece with air conduction
Absolutely metal free mattress and bed frame
Unclutter the bedroom
Use Melatonin at bedtime (best: sublingual)
No wrist watch, not metal jewelry (especially not around the neck), no metal zippers or metal belt buckles
Avoid living in apartments (neighbor above, below or next door may have wireless or cordless phone) or working in office buildings
10 minute earth-hole meditation at the end of workday
Avoid new cars (phthalates, EMF pollution)
Metal free dentistry
Work a life-longmetal detox program
Avoid elecrical applicances (hair dryer, electric razor, computer)
Spend less time on computer. Get a life!
Follow all these recommendations and teach them to your children, parents and friends
Take care.
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What do people do who have metal implants for everything from hips & knee replacements, titanium rods, pins, plates, defibrillators & pacemakers?
What about people who wear glasses with metal frames?
Kayda
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so does this mean that those treatments where they reverse the image of the disease on glass or something works? called bioresonance i think.
you're supposed to stay away from telephones, tv's, radios, computers, etc, at least for a couple of days after treatment.
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i sleep under a large metal pyramid with crystals and a gold plated capstone no netting though maybe i should get some and make it into a fort though! hehe
i noticed the difference when i got it in how much better i slept.
now i am working on making crystal chakra protection pendants and also small stationary crystal pyramid generators/converters - negative emf->positive energy sometimes called orgone generators and lots of other names.
ive heard the vast majority of the pro golfers on the PGA are wearing the q-links, and lots of other pro athletes. they find it improves their score, tiger woods wears one. there is definitely a noticeable difference in myself and others using it.
it has a 75 foot copper coil that is used to resonate at the body's frequency and protect it
my devices will also use a copper coil, but crystals for resonance instead of a chip. it should also help balance the chakras and heal.
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I think that there are correlations on how much emf's our bodies can withstand and the level of illness we each have. I used to be a lot more sensitive to energy fields than I am now.
I am grateful for all of the helpful suggestions and I am planning to try several of them. I am especially anxious to see what happens by turning the fuses off at night.
But even if we do not notice anything, would this not help our global warming situation also? This is a geniune question, not a rhetorical one. If so, that would certainly seem like a simple solution.
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Joe, The silver coated netting fabric is sold in Europe and here. Do some googling and ye shall find.
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What do people do who have metal implants for everything from hips & knee replacements, titanium rods, pins, plates, defibrillators & pacemakers?
What about people who wear glasses with metal frames?
Kayda, they live with it as good they can. I used to have titanium screws and plate in a fractured heel - I had them removed after the fracture heeled and went on a titanium detox.
Metal rimmed glasses are not a good idea. They also cross the midline.
Titanium dental implants are bad news for the chronically ill and not a good idea for well people and as people get older and the general toxic load becomes more of a burden. I used to have one - long gone.
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Joe Ham said "....Install metallized mosquito net (Baldachin) to deflect incoming microwave
Where can I get some of this Baldachin? Is it a special order or prescription from Klinghardt? How much does it cost?
I want to make a pyramid shield to sleep under to keep all those pesky neutrinos from bothering me at night."
And I want it to make to make a hood to cover my head whenever I go out. People will surely recogize me as a cutting edge kind of guy.
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Ok - I was totally taken in regarding the two cell phones cooking the egg article. My husband the killjoy that he can be ;0) suggested it was an urban legend...
Not to say that I am sure that cell phone use cannot be good for us. I have himalayan salt lamp as well.
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I don't think people who are chronically ill themselves should be jabbing fun at other chronically sick people who are trying their level best to get well.
Especially when those jabbers are so willing to tout endless doses of highly and scientifically confirmed dangerousdrugs into their bodies, sacrificing their lives while not resolving their illness. Then they dare to accuse others who tout different methods? Puleeese!
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i always wanted to test that experiment out, i guess now i really should! i can feel the cell phone heating up my head. every since i can feel energy, cell phones and wireless networking stuff feels awful to me. the cell phone is too painful to hold up to my head often. i use a wire. and i try not to use my cell.
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