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Has anybody tried this protocol and made any progress?
Would you mind posting your experiences cos I have real problem tolerating antibiotics cos of severe yeast issues and severe migraines from the drugs.
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I did samento for a little over a month, I went through 3 rough herxes at first followed by feeling better, then I just plateaud and wasn't getting anywhere so now I am being treated by a LLMD
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I think alternating Banderol and Cumanda may be better than Samento and Cumanda. Banderol seems to be emerging as a better option than Samento.
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Hi haven't heard of Banderol have you any further info?
Actually looking back at my diary I did do quite well on the Samento way back on 2004 but messed things up by adding the antibiotics.
Thanks Lil
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I used cumanda to control yeast and had great results. I never used samento, just the cumanda because I stopped responding to the antifungals meds.
I can't follow the yeast diet because of GI issues. I can only tolerate carb-heavy foods. All my thrush disapeared on cumanda.
And this was while on abx.
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quote:Originally posted by WildCondor: Try this site you guys, its the site for Nutramedix in Ecuador. It has more info on the herbs than the USA site Banderol can be bought there.
This is the site I used a couple of weeks ago to order Cumanda and Takuna for hubby. Can't decide if the Takuna (an antiviral herb)is helping or hurting or if hubby's babs symptoms are just totally out of control right now.
Hubby says the Burbur and Parsley actually do help some with detox -- hard for him to explain how they help except that they just make him feel a little better.
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Banderol tests incredibly well in my limited testing of it with ART. I am on it now at 20 drops twice a day. Dr. C. told me personally that he now considers this to likely be a better option than Samento. I am doing Banderol and Cumanda on a two week alternating schedule....
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One site (U.S.) is for ordering product (has pricing info).
Other site (Equador) lists more details/research/etc. but no pricing info.
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I cannot take ABX, so this has been my only tx.
I have not taken Banderol.
Took Cumanda for four months at max dose. Noticed herxing the first 3 months or so, then nothing.
Took Samento for over 3 years, including 6 months where I also took tons of Garlic (Zhang Protocol) and one where I also took Cumanda (Cowden Protocol). Herxed like crazy on low doses of Samento, had some minor improvement.
Stopped 12/06 because I was sick to death of herxing all the time and never being able to get anywhere near the 40 drops per day dosage of Samento. Nine drops was the higest I ever got, and that was brutal, even with plenty of detox.
Have gone downhill rapidly since then, but can't go back on Samento right now because I developed Gastritis, duodenitis, esophagitis and gallbladder disease as soon as I stopped taking it. The anti-inflammatory properties in it must have been holding these things at bay. I am now just recovering from gallbladder removal.
My EGD showed intestinal metaplasia (irreversable) and chronic gastritis, and I am left wondering if irritation from Samento caused it, so I am afraid to take it again.
If Banderol does not cause the herxing Samento does, but still helps, I may try it, though my TCM doc wants me to try a homeopathic called "Lyme D" next, but I cannot find it anywhere. Can anyone tell me if Banderol causes incapacitating herxing or GI symptoms?
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P.S. Re: The link to Buhner's response on a question about Cumanda....it reads to me like he is saying no herbals or ABX except antimalarials can penetrate deeply enough into the body to kill Bb. Yet, antimalarials do not kill Bb, just Babs, right? So, it seems he is negating his own protocol with this answer, or is my brain malfunctioning more than usual?
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I think it is likely that Banderol and anything else that works for that matter would cause herx reactions. There is not a killing agent that I know of that won't if it works and the person is someone that generally does have herx reactions.
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Thanks for the info on Banderol, Scott. It does seem like a promising product.
What's the enhancement that Nutramedix does to the product that makes it different from a simple tincture? Would anyone know?
For how long are you on Banderol? Does ART shows it gets the bartonella for your case?
And Klutzo, congrats on your gall bladder removal. I mean, it was what you really wanted, glad to see ducks decided to listen to you.
As for Buhner's answer, I think he just doesn't know much info on Cumanda, if it really crosses b/b barrier and act intracellular.
I think the rule with antimalarials is just a 'rough' rule to find good herbs to treat lyme, as antimalarial drugs get into cells and must cross blood-brain barrier. That's how I understood it.
My interpretation! Selma
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Thanks for all the interesting posts. I am now up to 5 drops x 2 daily with the Cumanda and so far nothing bad just a bit of catarrh in the mornings.
Still got a bit of a sore throat which I have had for a couple of weeks now.
I don't think I can get the Banderol in the UK yet so will probably go back to the Samento in a couple of weeks.
Did anybody try doing Cumanda plus Samento at the same time? One site mentioned that it was quite common for people to do this.
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I took the cunmanda but it gave me GI problems, mainly bad gas. People think, oh bad gas ...thats not to bad, but I literally could not go out in public or be around other people ~ It was uncontrollable.
I did try to work up in very small incraments but it was just not good with my system.
Hope you have better luck with it. Dana
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It took me a 2 1/2 months to work up to 12 drops/twice daily of Cumanda. I herxed all the time, but the Burbur drops helped. The Parlsey drops did not.
I was going to try the Samento down the road, but Scott makes a good recommendation to use the Banderol.
Scott, was it the Man himself who recommended banderol over samento, or another doctor? Coming from the Man who developed the protocol, that really means something.
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