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My MD said that fruits are "fructose", a different type of cell marker than other sugars,,,,and fruits are fine to eat....wont feed yeast or Lyme? Any thoughts? -Nikki
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I can't eat fruits (Except limes and little bit of lemons). I don't recommend eating fruits with lyme. Fruits contain multiple sugars, fructose, sucrose, etc.
Here is a very cool pdf with charts/lists of the sugar content of various foods. It tells which sugars (sucrose, fructose, lactose, galactose, maltose, etc) are in which foods, in which amounts.
Fruit is nothing but sugary crap in my opinion. It may have been less sugary and better before people bred the crops to be the sweetest of the sweet, perhaps.
Some people with Lyme consume a small amount of certain fruits and berries, like granny smith apples. That's probably alright. I don't consume any myself, as I get mood swings, concentration problems, throat infections, and just sick when I do.
But fruit definitely does feed Candida and I'm assuming Lyme too. Fructose is not good, and it's definitely not the only sugar in fruits, as you'll see if you open that pdf I put in a hyperlink above.
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Can't believe I am reading this on Lymenet!
"Fruit is nothing but sugary crap in my opinion" **************************************************
Nikki, you might want to google "nutrients in fruits". Especially the berries. Here is one
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Okay maybe I was a bit harsh. They may not be 'nothing but sugary crap', but they definitely contain quite a bit of sugary crap!
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i don't buy the notion that fruit is bad for lyme.
there are TONS of essential nutrients in fruit, and cutting all fruit out of your diet is a BAD idea, imho.
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I think, like many things, everyone is different and it depends on where you are in your treatment.
For a while I didn't eat anything but lemons, limes and granny smith apples. I've since added strawberries (a low-glycemic index fruit) in with no problems. In the last week, I've even taken to eating a small banana over the course of a day - a piece at lunch, a piece for afternoon snack and a piece with probiotics at bedtime.
No increase in sx for me, so I'm happy. I figure better a banana than a cookie if I want something sweet.
JMHO.
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After years of not eating fruit, I 'graduated' to bananas a year ago, and in the last six months, grapefruit.
My body really absorbs grapefruit juice and I feel that it hydrates me in a more potent way than water. I do not drink it straight but add about 1/3 of it to a glass of water.
I feel that my health has increased, from a nutritional standpoint. But I agree that it depends on where we are in treatment. It really needs to be evaluated individually. There was a time when even a small piece of carrot could harm.
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My LLMD's assistant said that whole fruit is better than juice because it still has the fiber in tact.
I don't think it's something you want to eat in abundance, but I feel it's very healthy.
The author of "The Yeast Connection" (a doctor) says that the only absolute in treating yeast is no sugar, everything else varies from person to person.
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you cant cut fruit out of your diet, fruit is essential to living healthy and if you have lyme then you really need to be healthy!
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Thanks all. I love fruits, since I have to cut out so much other stuff, I at least need some happiness! -Nikki
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Well, not for me!!!!!!!
I get burning pains from fruit as well as weakness.
What does this mean????
Yeast? Lyme? Anyone?
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I can get burning pains from too much fruit or any carbs especially if apart from protien or fat to slow down metabolism.
Sugar going up in the blood stream too fast can lead to an insulin surge which is pro-inflammatory--for me that means an immediate increase in nerve inflammation which leads to burning/electrical shocks
That's my theory.
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All sugars end up broken down and being absorbed into the body as glucose. What it is important to stay away from is processed sugars (like candy, cake, corn syrups) as the processing breaks down the sugars and breaks molecular bonds, essentially taking a "step" out of the digestion process and making them be absorbed into the body more efficiently (read: weight gain).
There are numerous vitamins and minerals packaged perfectly together in fruits (by nature!) that everyone needs. Don't avoid fruits!
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Im with you Susan.
Why couldnt marnie tell me this>?
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quote:Originally posted by susan2health: I can get burning pains from too much fruit or any carbs especially if apart from protien or fat to slow down metabolism.
Sugar going up in the blood stream too fast can lead to an insulin surge which is pro-inflammatory--for me that means an immediate increase in nerve inflammation which leads to burning/electrical shocks
It's either that or YEAST. I would advise all fruit lovers not to eat more than one serving of fruit per day while on abx.
When I was on abx, I couldn't get away with anything other than Granny Smith apples, which have less sugar.
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Yes, but you can have limited amounts of low glycemic index fruits.
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Fruits are JUST as important to our well being as vegetables. Read Genisis.
I do not think it is a problem eating GOOD, unadulterated fruits whether you have Lyme or not.
The "CRAP" you talk about, is not in the fruit, but in all the manmade things we consume. Whether in bakery, abx, adulterated herbs, concentrated this, preserved that, etc., etc., etc..
You MIGHT be very careful about eating the OUTER part of MOST fruits, BECAUSE of man's spraying them with chemicals so they get less spoilage and can have a better bottom line.
I do not think for a minute that Fruit adds to the symptoms of Lyme. I truly believe it is the "manmade" items introduced into the things we ingest that is detrimental to our health, with or without Lyme.
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Dr.B told me (before he retired!) that I could have some fruits - basically he said that fruits with a high fibre content are allowed in small amounts, preferably at the end of a meal and never on an empty stomach. These fruits include pears, apples, strawberries, cantaloupe etc.
He said that fruits like grapefruit, lemons, limes, tomatoes and avocado are allowed without limitation if tolerated.
But oranges, watermelon, bananas, grapes etc. are not allowed, not enough fibre.
No fruit juices either.
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I TRY to eat one banana for breakfast. AND I take my herbs with a glass of 100% juice, mixed half and half with water.
I have an illeostomy, and therefore do NOT retain ANY potassium. I do not even like the taste of bananas, but I force one down every day with my morning cereal. WHAT ever it does to my Lyme is not as bad as IF I had no potassium.
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I am wondering about that whole ripe pineapple in the refrigerator that keeps hollering my name... I just do not want to deal with yeast/fungus or anything along those lines nor do I want to toss my perfect looking and smelling pineapple out or give it away.
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Give it to the ants, they will LOVE IT!
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Years ago, when I went to my first ND, because of breathing issues, I was told I had candida, and was given a product by Thorne Research, one that
was vega tested on me as the best product to treat me, and I was given a candida diet, and was told that I could eat certain fruits as long
as I ate them with plain white yogurt. I did this, and followed the diet and took the supps and got better. Breathing good again.
I now make my own plain yogurt and I find this better then the store bought. I dont eat alot of fruit, but if I do eat some I take it with my
yogurt. Yogurt stops the fermentation I was told. so when the fruit hits your stomach intestines, it does not ferment because of the yogurt,
This may work for you. I was not on antibiotics though at that time, so maybe it is different with antibiotics,
Try having the pineapple with some yogurt, plain, homemade if possible, and see if this is ok for you, it is a shame to have to throw out the
pineapple, this make work for you,
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I eat fruits often, once each day or less frequently, without too much of a yeast problem.
I occassionally take nystatin (rarely) and had a few days on diflucan here and there, and I take freezed-dry garlic almost every day. Sometimes twice per day for the garlic.
I find that if I stop the garlic, that is when I have had a yeast problem. Seems that the garlic is keeping my yeast at bay.
There are the fruits I eat sometimes: apples, grapefruits, blackberries, strawberries, bananas - and cannot wait until blueberries are in season!
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Ditto what Gi Gi said...!!!
ESPECIALLY apples...in ADDITION to the very dark berries for the tannins.
There is indeed TRUTH to: "An apple a day keeps the doctor away."
Natural sugars + natural acids +pectin (in the skin of apples) to keep our bowels working to remove toxins...
Nutrients in fruits and veggies are "electromagnetically" ALREADY in balance.
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Moderation....moderation...moderation...
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Bb is busy gobbling up glucose and thus making it UNAVAILABLE for the cells to use.
Then...to guarantee an ongoing source of glucose,
Bb triggers gluconeogenesis...we make glucose from non carbon sources.
The cells, AND Bb, must have glucose. ESPECIALLY our brain cells.
This is EXACTLY what Bb wants...ongoing source of glucose AND...very specific amino acids in order to form its cell wall.
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Hi, I eat all kinds of fruit, it is my main source of food intake truthfully.
My son (in college) studies nutrition (hoping he will be an LLMD one day!) says fruit sugar is completely different than refined sugars and are not harmful.
But if you search long and hard online you can find different opinions on everything, even Lyme treatments (as we all know).
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Problem is...medical students get only rudimentary nutrition knowledge...even today.
Most doctors know very little about nutrition...sadly.
It is in a field of its own.
Very few MDs have dual degrees in nutrition.
IMO...it should be emphasized in med schools as a form of "preventative" medicine.
IMO...it would be great if docs could refer a patient to a nutritionist...as they do other specialists...to help the patient recover faster, to complement "traditional" medicine.
I know only of one instance off the top of my head, where this often happens...diabetes education - diet and insulin regulation which is taken over by someone other than the patient's doctor (he/she doesn't have the TIME to diagnose, prescribe AND teach).
Dr. B.'s nutrition knowledge was an EXCEPTION!
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I eat a lot of fruit everyday but I don't have a yeast issue. It helps me stay alkaline. I even do watermelon because it's so alkalizing. I never drink fruit juice, though.
I also "juice" veggies and drink that once or twice per day (beets, carrots, spinach, bok choy, parsley, celery and cucumber)
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varied forms of fresh fruit contain nutrients which are essential to good health, immune system, digestion..
get the freshest possible. i read somewhere that just picked fruit is incredibly powerful healthwise, if eaten within 7 minutes of picking. i've let all the wild berries here grow into giant bushes, we eat tons of them as they ripen. fruit is "alive", which is what makes it so good for you in it's natural form.
my body became clogged and starved of nutrients when i thought i should limit fruit and grains and other things because of candida concerns (i had systemic candida at one time). a strong body, good digestion, good immune system and other WHOLE body health is essential to fighting off all types of disease. (candida included).
mo
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I have been eating the pineapple and next time I have some I will try it with the plain yogurt.
I have yet to learn how to make yogurt but some day I would like to. I have been eating Straus organic yogurt and for store bought yogurt it is not bad.
Thank you for the tip on the yogurt with fruit.
I try to remember to eat a spoonful of yogurt before bed every night too besides taking good probiotics.
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