treepatrol
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Man I have gained way to much weight and the last two months actually exercizing ie working outside gardening etc. And I have gained 9 lbs a month 20 lbs in two months whats up with that??
Any answers??
Has anyone tried Hoodia Gordonii ??
And which one is good lots of fakes.
This is getting bad for me.
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Look into Shoemaker's work in Mold Warriors and have your leptin tested along with the other key markers.
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I took hoodia, but I can't remember which brand, sorry. It was when it first came out and it did not help at all, so after two months, I quit. I got it from Vitacost.
I think having your fasting insulin tested is a good idea, though convincing a duck to do it is not easy. If it is too high, you can't control your appetite, which is my problem. I am HUNGRY.
Getting it down involves eating low on the glycemic index, eating several small meals, eliminating simple carbs, and balancing all complex carbs with protein.
No matter how much I exercised, it did not help. I had to go on the insulin resistance diet, and progress has been slow, but at least I do lose about 1/2 lb. per week when I stick to it.
I assume my leptin is also abnormal, but my duck had no idea how to test it, and was getting irritated at my constant requests for strange lab tests, so I gave up.
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I gain weight when I have a flare up of my Lyme. This past time the flare has lasted 5 years...no kidding....without treatment this time. And I just keep gaining and it has nothing to do with the amount of food I am eating.
The nutritionist says I need to eat more, on a good day I eat about 1100 calories and that's pushing it. My lyme causes me to feel sick to my stomach 24/7.
I have had several people tell me that when they got correct treatment for their Lyme then the weight started to fall off. And if I can think of the article I read I'll paste it on here for you to read about Lyme and weight gain.
My brain is gone today so I'll have to find it later.
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I am sure you already thought of this but Are you taking any meds?
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I wish I could gain weight, lyme has made me really skinny!
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I gained HUGE amonts of weight from lyme. For all the reasons listed above. Wish I had an answer, the the insulin testing is probably going to be very helpful.
STarting Weight Wathers in about 45 mintues. First time in years on a formal program. Too afraid I will fail.
Wish me luck. mary
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quote:Originally posted by AZURE WISH: I am sure you already thought of this but Are you taking any meds?
Some meds can cause weight gain.
azure can you explain? do certain antibiotics cause weight gain because I have noticed weight gain lately. I am going to start a thryoid medicine because my hair is also getting thin suddenly and i was slightly low thyroid. just on a low dose so maybe this will help.
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I tried hoodia, and did not like it at all. Did not do anything in terms of reducing hunger, and ate just as much.
Green tea extract, however, really seems to do something in terms of weight loss.
I gained 20 pounds in the last 2 years, as my lyme flared up badly. So I would like to lose a few if possible!
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i gained weight on lyrica..fast..and it did NOYHING for my pain, i stopped it last week. certainantibiotics make me hungry, i am not on any now but i rememember that. i think we also are just tired in general, metabolism lowers, etc,
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treepatrol
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Thanks everyone.
When I was on mepron and biaxin xl I ate like a horse gained like 2 or 3 pounds and that was over 3 and half months went off of it and put on minocin and then second month added in tindamax then all of a sudden the last 2 months eat just regulary I put on 9 pounds the first month and now this month added another 9 pounds!???
I was 210lbs and lotsa muscle worked very hard to maintain that weight at 210lbs i was lean. Now over the last 6 years its crept up to over 300 for like 3 4 years which I still stayed in pretty good shape but this last yr1.5 it just keeps going up I leveled out at 376lb now it it climed up !!!407lbs!!! man Iam a walkin horse 18lbs in 2 months is crazy even for me and heres the kicker I have been bustin my a*s for these last 2 months trying to move exercize and now my good knee is sore joint pain over done it? I could understand my left one I folded it backwards years ago but it only hurts slightly.
I ate 2 steak&chicken salads lastnight very very little dressing 2teaspoons.they were not big and i was stuffed i hate head lettuce blahhhhhhhhhhh
This has to stop and I dont know what has caused it to runaway!! like this never have I put that much on in such a short period.
I eat one meal a day. I am going back on atkins diet as of yesterday. This sucks
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i was wildly fluctuating most of the time, then stress factors skyrocketed and no matter how healthy i ate or detoxed, it didn't turn around for me until i paid daily attention to moving my lymph. i believe i simply blew up like a balloon with fluid in every cell.
excercise can move lymph, particularly swimming, but i can't get enough of that in, so i use a chi machine. if you are strong and like it, you can use a rebounder for a similar effect.
the chi machine shakes your legs while lying down. zero impact, you do nothing but get rocked. when the machine stops is when the work happens, and you can feal all of your lymph system tingling and moving.
the biggest "center" for your lymphatic system is right in the middle of your abdomen, and that is what is gently shaken by the machine, and your body sways the way a fish would move through water. the lymphatic center is being rocked in a figure 8 motion.
i would do this even if i could excercise, and this machine is used to rehabilitate people from debilitating states, so you can start from any level of ability, but be mindful and read up on it so you don't overdo.
as i've used it, my "real body" is pushing through the "flabberous fat suit". first seen in the face, neck, fingers, ankles and then onwards, it's like everything is being drained from the central lymph area. i started feeling muscles throughout the day that i forgot i had. this seems to be allowing more oxygen and nourishing the whole body as well. i immediately felt stronger every day. it also relieves pain. i eat more yet am loosing weight and have better digestion.
you need a decent, sturdy machine, 15 minutes, a quiet space to lie down (on a mat).. and you need to drink something good before and after (a full 8 oz). i drink fresh lemon in water with maple syrup and a pinch of cayenne, because that clears lymph too. (plus, have to keep kidneys and bowel healthy to help everything along)
you also should not stop and start this. while it is easy to do physically, the movement of "stuff" in the body is significant. you have to commit to do it every day, and work up slowly. when you get up to 15 minutes, it is the equivilant of walking for an hour and a half, just to give you an idea of the effect, but you can start with 3-4 minutes and work up rather easily to the maximum in incriments.
it's really important to lie still for a few minutes once the machine stops, because that is where 60% of the action takes place, you can feel it.
it's a good thing, this chi.
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treepatrol
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quote:Originally posted by Mo: i was wildly fluctuating most of the time, then stress factors skyrocketed and no matter how healthy i ate or detoxed, it didn't turn around for me until i paid daily attention to moving my lymph. i believe i simply blew up like a balloon with fluid in every cell.
excercise can move lymph, particularly swimming, but i can't get enough of that in, so i use a chi machine. if you are strong and like it, you can use a rebounder for a similar effect.
the chi machine shakes your legs while lying down. zero impact, you do nothing but get rocked. when the machine stops is when the work happens, and you can feal all of your lymph system tingling and moving.
the biggest "center" for your lymphatic system is right in the middle of your abdomen, and that is what is gently shaken by the machine, and your body sways the way a fish would move through water. the lymphatic center is being rocked in a figure 8 motion.
i would do this even if i could excercise, and this machine is used to rehabilitate people from debilitating states, so you can start from any level of ability, but be mindful and read up on it so you don't overdo.
as i've used it, my "real body" is pushing through the "flabberous fat suit". first seen in the face, neck, fingers, ankles and then onwards, it's like everything is being drained from the central lymph area. i started feeling muscles throughout the day that i forgot i had. this seems to be allowing more oxygen and nourishing the whole body as well. i immediately felt stronger every day. it also relieves pain. i eat more yet am loosing weight and have better digestion.
you need a decent, sturdy machine, 15 minutes, a quiet space to lie down (on a mat).. and you need to drink something good before and after (a full 8 oz). i drink fresh lemon in water with maple syrup and a pinch of cayenne, because that clears lymph too. (plus, have to keep kidneys and bowel healthy to help everything along)
you also should not stop and start this. while it is easy to do physically, the movement of "stuff" in the body is significant. you have to commit to do it every day, and work up slowly. when you get up to 15 minutes, it is the equivilant of walking for an hour and a half, just to give you an idea of the effect, but you can start with 3-4 minutes and work up rather easily to the maximum in incriments.
it's really important to lie still for a few minutes once the machine stops, because that is where 60% of the action takes place, you can feel it.
it's a good thing, this chi.
mo
THanks MO Iam holding fluid i feel puffy and its not like just ankles like most people its all over I have a vibrating hospital bed wonder if this could cause the same outcome as chi? I have to fix it wire came off on motor.
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that's how i felt, like the blueberry girl on Willie Wonka.. i would think the vibrating bed might be good in other ways, but it wouldn't provide the rocking action chi gives, which really turns the tide inside and starts a current moving OUT. it's difficult to explain, but you can absolutely feel what i am talking about when you use one.
someone may be able to sort of simulate it for you by holding your ankles and rocking your legs in the same way/angle/speed as this machine to give you a vague idea of what your middle feels like when this kind of movement gets going.
the cost runs from 150-500. as in anything else there are good ones at each end of the price range.
you definately want a sturdy machine, but don't necessarily need the sun chi (the origional and most expensive).
you can get used ones on ebay, but be mindful that the motors do wear out, so you don't want a heavily used one. some manufacturers are selling their demo models. i got one of those, so spent about 180 for the evergain model. the health benefits have been invaluable, and no doubt have saved me allot of money and effort spent on things that don't work.
mo
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treepatrol
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How long do you ride this thing?
Thanks MO
I get exercize you would think this would be enough? My wife does have lymph problems since being infected from me? anyway when she went on ketek and ate tooooo many cahews and had a reaction she had lymph node swell in her kneck this was the second occurance of that same node swelling the other one was when she first started getting lyme trement about 2 months into it she got a welt on her kneck upper middle back and that node swelled ?? I think she has something else going on with her maybe virus???
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green tea extract, eh VT? i'll try it. i'll try anything.
i weighed 130-135 lbs my entire adult life, until Lyme. I lost all the weight i'd put on for pregnancy. then Lyme really began kicking in, and within 2 years I'd gained 20-25 lbs i couldn't make go away. another 2 years down the road, now i am fully 45 lbs more than i have ever weighed in my life.
what i eat and exercise seem to not change a thing. it really is one of the most discouraging things about having Lyme. that isn't vanity speaking, just the mirror and my clothes giving me very obvious visual evidence my body is completely out of whack.
i'm thinking extra weight must also put additional stress on our bodies/systems? Another catch-22.
anything else work for anyone else??
dilly
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I gained 29 pounds not too long after I got married in 2001.
BUT I did not realize my Lyme was coming back.
At first I thought it was because I got married again, but my wife hardly ever cooked, so I wasn't eating too much differently.
I finally went on a diet and lost 18 pounds of it, but gain 14 of that back.
I TRY to keep my meals down to two a day, plus maybe one snack.
My wife lost 45 pounds in about 6 or 7 months, by eating 6 meals a day. BUT she was VERY careful WHAT she ate and how much of it.
I look at food and gain weight.
Gets worse the older you get, as you can't and don't move as fast and as much.
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Thanks Mo, I will give it a try!!!!
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Yes, I have a terrible fluid problem. I've read here that babs may be the culprit. The weight is really the most humiliating part of this illness. I used to be in such great shape too.
Some interesting links that follow Scott's thought.
I find that blood sugar control and taking something for fibrin have helped with fluid a little. B-6 too. I'm on babs treatment now and will hopefully be getting to mepron soon. Hopefully that will help.
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hi tree,
there are a few advantages of heavy heavy, we do NOT blow away on windy days!
i gained 20-25 lbs. with the depression pills i was on in 1 yr or less! it's been with me since.
with my recent hip replacement surgery, lost 10 lbs., and my 95 yr. old aunt today visited, and complimented me on losing "25" lbs; i'll take it and corrected her. she's 95 now; can't gain!
you need 3 meals a day not the one where you tend to gorge yourself and starve the rest of it.
how about a dietician who is familiar with lyme. those around here were NOT; so i haven't been back. they have gotten training on intolerances:
gluten ... wheat/rye
casein ... cow's dairy milk, cheeses, egg whites, and garlic
so i'l have to try them in future once i get otherthings under control
good luck tree; we support you.
did any of you see on cable the 650 lb. woman and 800 lb. man; they talked with them; showed what their liveswere like, etc.
the man died before surgery; woman had her stomach stapled and went on to loss quite a bit. boy, if those shows don't get to any of us, nothing will.
have you had an A1C done for diabetes 2?
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Just out of curiosity....
Anybody had their thyroid level checked?
My neighbor had the same weight issue with eating a low carb, low sugar diet,
Yet couldn't seem to lose the weight...A lot of it was fluids.
On low doses of thyroid meds, her weight has dropped significantly.
I have a curve ball for thyroid also.
I keep losing weight....To the tune of 24 pounds in 5 months.
Yet, I have had symptoms of hypothyroid...
Hair loss, dry skin, dry hair, fingernails slow to grow, slightly deeper voice, etc.
Had thyroid level checked. It was low.
Go figure.
Just think, there is a little bit more of you to love..
Or in my case, a little bit less!
Hugs,
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USED TO BE! We are ALL USED to be's.
NONE of us are AS young and AS active as we USED to be.
AND yes, we MUST eat MORE than ONE meal a day. Like I said, my wife ate about 6 meals a day and lost a lot of weight.
NOW she lost so much, she isn't even here any more.
I found through the years, that I lost weight great when I was outside and/or in the garage working on a large project. I didn't "snack" when I was out there. I got hungry at times, but was so engrossed in what I was doing and didn't want to stop it, so didn't take the time to go to the house to eat.
So it was easy.
But NOW, because I am older, slower, aches and pains, Lyme, sitting too much at this computer reading and typing, it is EASY to GAIN weight. Easy to get to food too.
And, Tree, are you SURE you are only eating ONE meal a day? WHAT constitutes a meal? Do you NEVER put ANY food in your mouth OTHER THAN THAT MEAL? I'll bet IF you are honest with yourself, you DO!
Snacks ARE meals. Probably MORE than meals. As THEY are usually FAT BUILDING junk.
And WHY TWO salads, instead of ONE? ONE salad is a meal. Especially IF it has meat in it.
HOW many ounces was it? How many calories in it?
Did you have milk or soda with it? Skim or WHOLE? Sugared or diet? BOTH sodas are bad for us, by the way. Bread? Butter or margerine? Dessert?
Juice? Lots of calories. Plain water, or added ingredients?
I am 238 now, and THAT is WAY too much for my knees, legs, feet, back, etc., etc.. I can't imagine trying to get them to handle over 400. I carry 15 pounds on my shoulder for 200 feet and can barely make it to my destination. Especially since my back has been so bad the past two weeks.
I am only about a month from age 66. IT isn't going to get any better.
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Hi, When LD first disseminated I lost 20lbs overnight, I looked deathly skinny.
After being diagnosed and put on Biaxin/Amoxi I gained 30 lbs within a few months, now all my clothes are too tight! (Don't you hate that feeling?) You'd think I was sitting around eating chips and candy all day, but I don't touch that stuff. I have a small breakfast shake and an early dinner and a snack (fruit dessert) later. That is it.
I did read in Dr. Burrascano's treatment guidelines that 80% of lyme patients will gain a significant amount of weight.
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I have gained about 25 lbs since contracting lyme and mostly have been this past year. I am holding my own now and not gaining any more. It seems that my food consumption had had nothing to do with the weight that I have gained.Lyme seems to do this to the metabolism!
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lymebites-
amoxi is definitely one culprit in my case. two weeks ago or so i went back on it for the first time in a year, and poof!
MORE weight gain- quickly, and i puffed up like a balloon. sigh. none of the other abx i've been on do this... (developing) dilly
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i was dx w/underactive thyroid 20+ yrs. ago.
during last years all body testing learned it went to OVER back to under and now called HIROSHIMA ?? mind not working but close to that name.
hubby's lost 100+ lbs. since i was dx with diabetes 2 in 1.5 years and has kept it off...he wasn't trying too.
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Tree,
What you eat is more important than how much you eat.
You probably have a leaky gut. I lost 20lbs in 2 mths on the vegan diet. When I added meat and diary back in, I began to gain. Cut out ALL processed foods.
Now I eat meat and diary sparingly. Mostly I eat fruits and veggies. Anyone, any blood type, etc, can eat unlimited fruits and veggies (not the starchy potatos, etc) and lose weight.
I eat lots of nuts too but that is because I was losing too much weight. Nuts are a perfect snack once you have your weight under control. (provided you aren't allergic to them)
Luvs
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i'm 54 yo and weigh 235 lbs (i weighed 127 when i got pregnant at age 34)and i'm actually contemplating getting the band. insurance won't cover it, since i don't have their requirements (bmi>40, diabetes or pre-diabetes, high blood pressure). the surgeon at university hospital (nyc 1st ave and 33rd st) said i could pay out of pocket 24k and i had the sense to ask if she works with anyone overseas, and lo and behold, three mexican surgeons, one of whom she's good friends with, also does the band using the same equipment and procedure and i could come back and be treated post op at nyu.cost is 8k-10k depending on the doctor. the only problem is what kind of anesthesia they use. i remember when i was in the hospital with lyme and i had a port put in they knocked me out with fentanyl and it took years to get my brain back, so i need to do some pretesting for another kind.
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treepatrol
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quote:Originally posted by ilonar2820: i'm 54 yo and weigh 235 lbs (i weighed 127 when i got pregnant at age 34)and i'm actually contemplating getting the band. insurance won't cover it, since i don't have their requirements (bmi>40, diabetes or pre-diabetes, high blood pressure). the surgeon at university hospital (nyc 1st ave and 33rd st) said i could pay out of pocket 24k and i had the sense to ask if she works with anyone overseas, and lo and behold, three mexican surgeons, one of whom she's good friends with, also does the band using the same equipment and procedure and i could come back and be treated post op at nyu.cost is 8k-10k depending on the doctor. the only problem is what kind of anesthesia they use. i remember when i was in the hospital with lyme and i had a port put in they knocked me out with fentanyl and it took years to get my brain back, so i need to do some pretesting for another kind.
I would think real loooooooong and hard before getting that band or any invasive surgury.
I am shifting my body back over to low low carb and that for me means below 20% carbs aday atkins diet does work but shifting over is sorta hard and when you shift to burning fats and protein the first month all the bad stuff jumps up like triglycerides Bp uric acid etc but then they drop quite rapidly I have done it before and Iam doing it as of last monday14th march.
I lost 79 lbs last time i did it. I just have to stick to it. I took a asprin ever couple of days at first just to keep the blood thinner.
I will let you guys know how it turns out.
JimBob it was one meal but I was eating the wrong stuff and after the mepron I think it slowed metabolism down I never gained then wham all of sudden 9 lbs one month 9 lbs the next that sucks but it got my attention.
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JimBob it was one meal but I was eating the wrong stuff and after the mepron I think it slowed metabolism down I never gained then wham all of sudden 9 lbs one month 9 lbs the next that sucks but it got my attention.
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I hear you on the "wrong stuff". I do not cook, have no desire to, so when I am on my own, even when not on my own, as this last wife didn't cook either; I would eat mainly processed food, frozen dinner, etc., etc.
AND sweets are MY downfall. IF I could cut them ALL out and NEVER touch them again, I feel I could easily be back down to 180 pounds.
I got down to that when I had severe colitis back in 1994, and lost 45 pounds in three (3) weeks. But THAT is NOT the way to lose. I was slowly bleeding to death, and was less than a day away from death as the surgeon who performed the colectomy told me.
As a matter of fact I was so weak, that he only performed part of it in July, and then when I recuperated, I had to go back in and have the rest of the surgery in November of 94.
But like he said, I was "cured" from Colitis for good. AND now I can eat a whole lot more foods than I could then. Which in some ways is a bad thing. NOW it is easy for me to gain.
I have lost three pounds this past few days though. Course my life is in a turmoil right now.
At least the Lyme D. is in better shape right now. I feel like about 80 to 85% right now on that front.
Lymies, do NOT take Levitra or those other ED pills. BAD news for us with neuro Lyme.
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Update I just came back from Dr LLMD and in this last month I lost 19 Lbs thank God! Eating very low carb and eating Protein/Fat/Lowcarb. Hope next month is the same or better. No breads no flower,no beer. Some fruit here and there,and vegetables lightly cooked or raw.
ooops And Starting Date:May 14,2007 to June 11,2007
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