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i have lyme, currently taking bruhner core protocol, for lyme only.
symptoms have been bearable but lately ive been having terrible joint pain sometimes, achy back/neck, sneezing a lot, blurry vision, chest pain, dry cough,
-which can be quite severe, mostly left side and through the back sometimes.
trouble concentrating and feeling spaced out all the time. and tired.
oh..and night sweats every single night, unrestful sleep
this has been going on for a month..
its that time of the month for me right now tho, and i just took one 600mg time-released N-A-C caplet last night before bed..
woke up feeling ok but then after and hour got terrible chest pain and anxiety about the chest pain..and head pressure on top of my head badd...
and its just weird...i feel like some of my symptoms are coming back or new ones are starting.
N-A-C seemed to intesify what what already slowly happening in my body..
i delt with a lot of aggressive emotions this past month too..my boyfriend actually left because of it..
im on an anti-depresent, wellbutrin Xl, and then ativan when aniexty sets in..and all the herbal stuff..
whats going on with me anyone know?? my body feels like ccccrap! all the time and i got another job outside weeding-very labor intensice, and another at an organic grocery store..
my will is driving me to heal and go on with my life but it seems my body and mind are doing something different..
im in alot of pain all the time. and after awhile it makes me irritable and then i just black out sometimes too with the emotions..
could this be a reaction to N-A-C...i felt this way before when taking N-A-C.
anyone have any suggestions..
Im going to see my D.O. Doc on the 23 of may..what should i tell her???????
she specializes in bones or something...and she taking over to be my PCP..cause shes leaving..
sorry so long. i need help.
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Sounds babesia-ish to me, especially with those sweats. You should ask the LLMD about trying treatment for babs.
I don't know a lot about NAC, though I'm taking it myself right now for liver support per my LLMD. I've only felt better while on it. I've read it can be used for metal detox, so maybe you're detoxing?
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable about NAC will come along, but you definitely need to look at babesia given your sx.
Edited to add that I think you may need to find an LLMD unless this DO is willing to read ILADS guidelines and adhere to them.
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clairenotes
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My PA/Naturopath said that NAC can sometimes cause initial reactions, especially if the liver has not been functioning properly or is sluggish. She cautioned my husband that this might happen as he has more of a liver weakness than I. But he never did take the supplement. He took whey protein instead, which can help boost liver function also.
I take it and experience no problems that I am aware of. But I have been hearing lately that NAC might also cause other problems with regard to metals. I have only been hearing bits and pieces, however, and have not had any time to follow up. Gigi or Marnie may have some information about this. It might not be the best choice for everyone.
I would tell your new doctor everything you have said here. She may have some information as well.
Claire
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NAC can pull metals from the gut and the matrix directly into the brain. It is generally not advised to be used in early stages of treatment and not until the metals have been cleared up from the gut and the matrix.
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how can i clear the gut and matrex of metals before i take the NAC? i thought it was supposed to be good if youve taken a lot of tylenol??
Also..the symptoms didnt peak until today...but ive been dealing with the other sypmtoms for about a month now..night sweats, pains, chestpains off and
on since oct.., very foggy thought, depression, aniexty, numbness in feet and hands/fingers, 1 electrical zap that went into my left foot.
severe head pressure on sides and mostly in the back and top of head..
just weird stuff...Do otsteopathic doctors know about coinfections??...
my pcp thinks the lyme turned into fibro..(but she still not willing to treat the lyme..more than she already did)
what does a D.O. do exactly???
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There is an interview of Dr. K. on www.klinghardt.org You can download it and listen. He explains NAC in detail. You will also learn a lot more that is not generally discussed.
NAC is not a good idea taken alone or at the wrong time with others. It is known to move heavy metals around. Everybody living on this earth at this time has accumulated heavy metals and chemicals, and pesticides and herbicides, etc.
You might also look up some of my old posts - I have talked about NAC often
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Wellbutrin is like long acting cocaine.
Its a terrible drug, unless you really have GREAT success with it.
I would recommend you lessen it. (my opinion)
The half-life for wellbutring is 3 days.
This means that it stays in your system for a long time.
Its in your body while you sleep and it DOES interfere with sleep. It acts on your noradrenaline reserves and exacerbates fight or light response making it easier to sweat.
Its just a suggestion.
Maybe a different form of wellbutrin in the morning would be more helpful.
Good luck.
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Hi Hope:
I think you said that you are only on the Buhner protocol;
I recommend combining the Buhner protocol with antibiotics for lyme treatment.
Borrelia is one tough bug, and in my experience, I have had the most progress in feeling better by combining both herbs and antibiotics.
I hope you feel better and have access to an llmd.
I am taking high dose amoxicillin, and it is helping. Or doxycycline, or minocycline -- the point is, I think you should really consider taking antibiotics too to get the best healing.
take care
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They feel that NAC acts on the organism Chlamydia Pneumonia by disrupting the disulphide bonds of the bacteria's Elementary Bodies. They think that the reaction to the NAC is from the die-off of these bacterial forms.
This is not a frivilous theory as there are some good scientists and scientific thinking behind this.
Both my husband and sister (who are both MS dx'd) had what I would consider profound reactions (Joint pain, muscle pain, general malaise-flu-like) when starting NAC. Now they take it with no problem
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I think NAC has been really good for my husband, and also why while taking all these ABX, his liver has stayed okay.
He started with 600, and now takes 1200. Go easy on it at frst, if you decide to take it. It really causes a reaction in the sinus drainage.
Also, it does protect the liver......
Best wishes.
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If you had, nervousness, rapid heartbeat, blood pressure problems, insomnia, sweating in the night, lightheadedness, the shakes, feel burnt out,, tired but cant go to sleep, tight muscles.
THen yes, well butrin is making things worse.
Just my 2 cents
quote:Originally posted by Hope4Better: also,
wellbutrin seems to be working ok for depression
do u think that it is a bad choice for a lymie??
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lymeHerx001
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You said
" then after and hour got terrible chest pain and anxiety about the chest pain..and head pressure on top of my head badd... "'""""
Well the anxeity and chest pain and head pressure, are all wellbutrin related. Keep in mind that once you start, the levels keep getting higher and higher every single day.
If I were you I would half them. Take have instead of whole.
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