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erleichda
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Can you get biliary sludging from Rocephin (without Actigall) if you no longer have a gallbladder? Mine was removed in '03 and was full of gallstones that had traveled through the biliary tree. It was also one year after my severe "fibromyalgia" symptoms started.

I know that both Lyme and Rocephin adversely affect the gallbladder...but I read here about a couple of people who had sludging caused by Rocephin even after the gallbladder was removed.

Thanks!

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FWIW, my TCM doctor told me before I had my gallbladder removed a month ago, that I would have to be even more careful of my diet after the GB was gone, or I could end up with stones forming in my liver, which compromise it's function, and can come down and get stuck in the biliary ducts causing GB-like attacks, despite having no GB.

She told me to eat a smaller, low fat meal in the evenings, especially. I have found I feel better and sleep better doing this.

I have also found that I still don't digest fats or protein very well, even with digestive enzymes, so I am limiting them, and eating an almost vegetarian diet.

Klutzo

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Blie is made in the liver. It is merely stored in the gallbladder to be released when we eat something fatty.

Stones can still form in the common bile duct.

Ouch.

Bile salts need various nutrients to be made. Many are deficient.


Go here:

http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/2003/01_03/babb.htm

More complex here:

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/bile.html

Although it is a fatty substance, lecithin acts as a fat emulsifier, breaking down cholesterol and fat and helping t prevent these substances from sticking to the walls of arteries and vital organs.

Lecithin causes fats, such as cholesterol, to be dispersed in water and removed from the body.

Lecithin is known to help prevent arteriosclerosis and protect the body against heart disease.

Lecithin protects cells from oxidation- and helps make up the protective sheaths surrounding the brain.

It is composed largely of B vitamins- phosphoric acid- choline- linoleic acid and inositol.

Although it is a fatty substance- it is also a fat emulsifier.

Hence- it also supports the circulatory system. Its choline is useful to make acetylcholine.

Made from soybean, improved memory performance, useful effects in a number of neurological, psychiatric and infectious diseases and disorders.

Lecithin is another name for Phosphatidyl Choline, one of the Phospholipids.

Phospholipids (phosphatides) are indispensable components of cell membranes and are also natural emulsifiers, helping fats dissolve in water.

Lecithin also contains *Phosphatidyl Serine*, Phosphatidyl Inositol and Phosphyatidyl Ethanol amine (formerly allied cephalins), which are the other phospholipids found in lecithin and cell membranes.

Phospholipids contain fatty acids including Linoleic Acid. Lecithin contains Choline, which is used in the body to manufacture brain neurotransmitters.

Lecithin supports a healthy cardiovascular system. Lecithin consists of Choline, Inositol, Linoleic Acid, and has been used as a fat emulsifier in preventing arteriosclerosis, cardiovascular disease, brain function, proper nerve function, and maintains proper electrical energy and nutrients transfer across the cell membranes.

High Potency Dietary Supplement Soya Lecithin 1200 mg/ 100 softgels Lecithin is found in all cells of the body and is a significant constituent of nervous tissue and brain substance. It is an excellent source of the vitamin B.."

Note: Phosphatidyl Serine is used to rebalance the HPA axis.

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Thank you, all, for the help.

My gallbladder was removed about a year after my Lyme symptoms started. My story is the same as many others here - GB was full of little stones, they were in the bile duct, lots of scarring. It was painful. After it was removed, I didn't have trouble fats, size of meals etc.

Recently, I developed autonomic neuropathy (I developed both small fiber and large fiber neuropathy first). I have almost no motility in my digestive tract.

My LLMD wants me to try IV Rocephin. Any thoughts?

Thanks again.

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CaliforniaLyme
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Cavey, I am like you- no change in function, have no problem eating fatty foods(*)!!!

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