There is a family up the road from me who did get the vaccine when it first came out. They ALL (husband, wife and kids) have what appears to be chronic lyme as a result.
I know they have seen an llmd for treatment.
Did you have the vaccine?
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Did they ever release the vaccine? I thought they found that it caused auto-imune problems with people who had a cirtain genome, which was about 1/3rd of the population.
I would hope not that many people got vaccinated.
With gardasil (vaccine for some Pappaloma virus) was tested and gave many girls auto-imune troubles too.
I do know they have a vaccine for dogs, but I do not know much about it.
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I got the Lyme vaccine about 7 or 8 years ago. I now have Lyme, but don't think the two are related. I just started with Lyme symptoms about 6 months ago.
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My husband got 2 out of the 3 shots, but he is healthy. No problems yet. Kathi
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My understanding is that anyone who has health issues due to the lyme vaccine does not have a persistent infection because the lyme vaccine was made of synthetic material - there were no spirochetes used.
Doesn't mean that they aren't sick due to the vaccine of course. I would think that the IDSA would be using this model to substantiate their assertion that post lyme syndrome is not an on-going infection but they don't. Very odd. Terry
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"Doesn't mean that they aren't sick due to the vaccine of course. I would think that the IDSA would be using this model to substantiate their assertion that post lyme syndrome is not an on-going infection but they don't. Very odd." Terry
That is a very very interesting insight..maybe you figured it out before they did. Or that they are covering for those with patients on the vaccine. I'm thinking you just beat them to it.
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quote: That is a very very interesting insight..maybe you figured it out before they did. Or that they are covering for those with patients on the vaccine. I'm thinking you just beat them to it.
GreatCod, did you have a point that you were trying to make? If so, what was it please?
I highly doubt that I've figured out anything that the IDSA hasn't figured out but who knows, they are idiots and/or being purposefully deceptive afterall.
My guess is that they would jump on this like a hobo on a ham sandwich if there was anyway they could use it. I must admit, I am not well versed in lymerix since it was before my time. I was thinking that perhaps someone here has some insights?
I thought we were talking about lymerix and since that was withdrawn, there would be no coverup of patients on the vaccine since there should be no one currently on it.
Anyway, I have never had the vaccine nor do I know anyone who has. Personally, I wouldn't give my dog a lyme vaccine. I've seen one person post here who was sick after having the vaccine so perhaps a search will help uncover others Kayda?
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The point was that you expressed a very interesting idea. I had not seen it mentioned by anyone before, on either side. I intended to use the word "patents" and added an "i" which made it very confusing. A better expression would have been "financial interests", which would include the manufacturer and the original patent holder. There may be unsettled law suits, and the IDSA chose to refrain from any reference to Lymerix. There is also the possibility of using the vaccine on field mouse populations, and that might impact domestic animals. Arthritic dogs. My best guess would be they just didn't think of it. No one on either side of the IDSA guideleines has mentioned why the vaccine made some people very sick. I have no way of knowing.
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Interesting on how the conversion to positive Western Blots for Lyme disease only occurred in the control group.
The "placebo" group was and remained negative for Lyme disease.
You would think prior to the study for Lymerix that all individuals were thoroughly screened
For Lyme disease both clinically and via Elisa or Western Blot.
If the vaccine was only based on Osp A proteins, how could many of the control group
Show all bands positive on a WB?
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I agree with the latent infection thing. If supposedly the vaccine activated a latent
Infection, then there MUST be such a thing as "chronic Lyme".
Ya' think????!!!
Then the vaccine muddied the waters so to speak regarding which bands on the WB are "officially
Counted" for survellience purposes for CDC.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Good thought provoking subject.
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That's a very interesting link, and would be worth taking a deeper look at. IMO, it goes to the heart of the Lyme problem--does anyone really know what's going on with Lyme Disease?
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Probably only the ketes know exactly what is going on in Lyme disease.
Hugs,
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