bejoy
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I started andrographis two days ago on a half Buhner dosage. Today I joined the space cadets
and junior birdmen. Got all the neuro symptoms that I started out with three months ago, and my
kids were lucky to get fed from a can. I never can convince myself to ramp up sloooowly.
Found what I think is a good product and distributer, though: Planetary formulas from iHerb
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I'm sorry you're up there in orbit, I hope you land without incident.
Is it possible for you to get some kind of detoxification protocol going- that kind of reaction could be die-off (*I am not a doctor...)(and you might be able to do something to make it easier. Drink a lot of water, eat lots of fiber (even metamucil/psyllium, but not at the same time as meds), Solaray Detox formula which is sodium alginate, or some of the following: chlorella, modified citrus pectin, or bentonite clay from the health food store. I think I tried almost all of these together when I first started treatment and I didn't have harsh die-off symptoms even when first starting antibiotics while seriously ill.
Some of these should probably be taken away from medicine-taking time or away from your herbs as there's a chance they could absorb the active ingredient as well (charcoal or bentonite might be like this, possibly psyllium, not sure whether chlorella acts this way)
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You have NOT said HOW MUCH you are taking at all.
Half of Buhner's STARTING dosage, OR Half of his MAXIMUM dosage, OR half of his STARTING dosage for SENSITIVE people, or WHAT?
It is IMPERATIVE that you start out SUPER slow.
I have been taking many of his herbs INCLUDING Andrographis for over 19 months now, and IF I stop ANY of them for ANY length of time, even two days, I do NOT start at where I left off. I start ALL over again, at MINIMUM dosage. I can ramp up FASTER NOW, because my body is more accustomed to herbs, but you STILL NEED TO go slow.
I might suggest ONE capsule a day for a week. IF that is too much then go down to 1/2 capsule A DAY for a week. Then the second week double that, or from one up to TWO a DAY for a week.
Herbs do NOT work like abx, at all. It is a LONG TERM treatment, but is SO MUCH easier on the system. They will help your immunune system to do IT's job. There is NOTHING manmade better than your own immune system for healing. BUT that is when it is working GOOD. Herbs and certain vitamins will HELP to get it back to normal.
I am at about 85 to 90% of my potential right now. I have had Lyme since 1999, did take abx, but relapsed like so many, and only the herbs have been able to get me to half way enjoying life again. Age, at 66, doesn't help at all.
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PS: I used some of Planetary Formulas brand ready made capsules in the beginning. However I make my own now for everything, as I want to be sure the PURE herbs that I use are not adulterated in any way to make them last longer or easier to encapsulate.
Buhner recommends, (in a private email I got from him over a year ago), that we don't use any adulterated herbs.
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Thanks you guys for the responses and the good advice.
I was clearly up there in orbit yesterday. I'm much better today, and realize that probably
about half of the slam was from a manual lymph drainage session the day before. Probably just half was from the andro, which is still plenty.
Andrew, Beuhner says, "As a tonic, 400mg 3x daily. In acute conditions, 1,000-2,000 mg 3-4x daily."
I'm taking 2 400mg tablets 2x daily right now.
Maria, I haven't quite figured out how to take an absorbtion type of product without it getting the good stuff from food and medications and supplements.
I do have a fiber product that my body really likes, even if I don't. I take herbs and supps four times a day and eat four times a day.
The regimen sometimes gets me a bit stumped about what order to put everything into. I do take garlic before meals and chlorella after meals.
JimBob, I'm not up to making my own capsules right now, even though I think its a good idea.
Do you have any opionions about what to look for in a prepared product?
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Bejoy, do you mean chlorella before your meals and garlic after, I suppose??
The opposite makes not much sense...
Take the pills separate, 1 400mg 3-4 times a day, I think the herxes will ease. I never took more than 4 Planetary Herbs pills a day and always improved.
I'm again on 3 a day, enough for my new reinfection!!
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bejoy
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Sheesh, I must still be really neuro today. Another typo. And my house looks like the inside of a hamster cage again.
I'm actually taking one 400 mg tablet two times a day. Two tabs total.
I've got to get this detox thing right.
Selma, I've read garlic before meals, and chlorella after. So I have it backwards?
And when do you take bentonite or fiber?
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It is hard to find readymade pills without some kind of adulteration. Course that is the problem with just about everything in this system.
I would follow Buhner's recommendations as close as possible, IF you can, on readymades. I still prefer to make my own. NOT only on the purity, but to save at least 75 to 80% on your herbs.
I bought from iHerb one time in the beginning, but I found others that were good, cheaper. when I went to bulk I used starwest Botanicals, and now have switched to 1st Chinese Herbs exclusively. They have it all, IF you talk to Sarah; and prices are good, and you only have to get $40 worth for FREE shipping.
I would still go down to ONE capsule a day for a week, and IF it is good for you, THEN start ramping up. You should feel GOOD when you take the right herbs in the right amount. Andro is okay, but is only ONE of the RIGHT herbs.
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Thanks for the wise words Jim.
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Just to say I have been on Andro 1 x 3 for just over 2 weeks now. My adrenals have been very weak throughout and not sure if it is to do with the herb or not.
I seem to run into trouble with severe migraines when I add in the Japansese Knotwood but I am going to go slower and just add in 1 capsule of it daily for 1 week before upping the dose slightly. I only use the pure herb which has been encapsulated for me by the company here in the UK.
It would seem that for some of us we have to go super slow, maybe its due to the fact we could be slow detoxifiers of the herb so we won't ever need high doses, I suppose only time will tell.
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My daughter started taking one andrographis per day (planetary formulas). She says she feels better, except that she has no appetite. She does not seem to eat more than one small meal per day along with a whey protein drink.
Can't seem to interpret what is going on and I am a little worried. Supposedly it tested well for her. I couldn't tolerate this herb and it didn't test well for me either, when checked.
Sorry for the hijack, Bejoy. It is good you are feeling better, now.
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Yes, you may not ever be able to get up to a good protocol.
Probably because you may NOT be taking enough Lymph system cleansers.
IF you are NOT taking Red Root tincture, and Milk Thistle and Sarsaparilla, you probably will have bigger herxes and your system is clogged up.
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BEJOY, it's the OPPOSITE you gotta do!
Chlorella before eating (30 mintues before) and garlic immediately after eating!!
CLAIRE, the appetite thing. Could it be that she tastes not food well? Many people are reporting that absense of taste after starting on the protocol, but that seems to clear up later.
Other thing in my case: I needed loads of eating while my body needed detox. When number of critters fell, I started eating normally, not a lot. This was before reinfection.
I'm back to feel 'starving', need to eat more than usual again. I'm killing a lot again, so I think in my case my appetite runs together with amounts of toxins.
Is she taking half a pill 2 x day? That's what I did to my daughter (she was on 1/3 or 1/4 pill 2x day).
Hope she will feel better!
LIL: are you detoxing a lot? Both andro and knotweed enter the brain to kill or cleanse (both cross b/b barrier), so you'll get extra toxins there!
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I actually don't know if I am detoxing at all or not. I always think my symptoms seem to relate to my blood sugar but this doesn't always show up on my bs monitor the reading looks perfectly good. Its like the sugar is in my blood but not in my cells.
My main symptoms are occasional very strong sweats and I can feel wet all over sometimes but not others. Along with this come some neuro symptoms in my head, I can feel anxious and a bit dizzy and I might start aching all over. This passes relatively quickly when I rest or sometimes if I eat a small snack of cheese and a bit of no sugar oatcake.
Actually I always feel worse after eating a meal and am having to always rest for about an hour after eating before I can do anything, this seems to be a bit worse since starting the herbs.
The mornings are definitely worse and always have been but that might be cos my adrenals and thyroid don't work properly despite medication.
My Chinese acupuncturist says that he thinks my circulation is badly affected, everything gets blocked and that is why I get the migraines which radiate into my neck and shoulders which are often agony. Therefore I am having more frequent acupuncture and this is helping.
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Thanks so much for your comments, Selma.
Maybe there is a connection between decreased sense of taste and decreased appetite. I have not had a chance to ask about this yet, as she has been over at a friends house for the last day or so. But I will definitely ask her today when she comes home. It is good to hear that this is temporary.
She is taking 1 pill at night, but I like the idea of cutting in half for 2x a day. I will try that. Is your daughter now symptom free?
I am a believer that there is a connection with increased hunger and this illness. I have experienced the same thing. My appetite has decreased in a healthy way since I have reduced much of the infection/s.
I am sorry you have not quite overcome the last tick bite. I hope that it will all clear out soon. That is sad that Switzerland has so many ticks right now, especially when everyone probably wants to be outside .
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Thank you, Jimbob, for the reminder that we can use the bulk herbs for much less money. I need to go that route soon.
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LIL, have you read about mitochondria, our power central inside our cells? It seems many cronic sufferers, and all cancer sufferers have problems with getting energy to mitocondria (I forgot the reasoning behind though, somehow the food doesn't reach where it should).
And if the mitocondria is not working well, is like a car with a broken engine, it can't run.
Your description of symptoms look to me like you're very toxic. It could be something else, but it feels to me you're just loaded with neurotoxins/ heavy metals, whatever.
Do you have GI candida? How's your liver/ gall bladder working? Feeling bad after eating could be problem with any of the 3, I guess. But if you eat cheese and feel well, probably not gall bladder. It sounds more like candida??
Many lyme sufferers don't feel well in the morning.
If you're not taking anything to detox few times a DAY, I don't think acupucnture will make it by itself (unless you do it daily).
In my experience, no cleansing minimum 3 times a day means being stuck on healing progress. The body gets acid, your organs start to be overloaded, they can't cleanse heavy metals without help in my opinion. Our bodies stop killing then, because each killing adds up on toxins.
At least, my body cannot. I need the combo chlorella, MSM (sulphur), bear garlic minimum 3-5 times a day.
Do you have babesia? Sweats can be either babesia, bart, excess of toxins or some hormonal imbalance... In my own experience.
Welcome CLAIRE. There's thread running on Buhner's site on lack of taste of food. A few people have experienced that, some say it comes and goes, some said it's definitively gone.
They believe it's a sort of 'taste herx', whatever it could mean....
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Claire,
Andrographis is excreted by the body very quickly, so you might want to try small doses multiple times a day rather than one pill once a day. See whether that changes anything.
Of course, if she's generally feeling better- congratulations! might not want to change anything too drastically.
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Thanks, Maria. I am going to try that as it makes sense.
She is feeling better, but it is all relative. I still think she could feel and be 'more better,' as we just introduced this herb about seven days ago. There is still a long stretch ahead. She is supposed to get up to 3 per day, if possible.
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