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tailz
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I saw my doctor today, and more than half way there, I decided to perform an experiment.
You all know I keep posting things about electromagnetic pollution (cell phones, wireless, etc...) being behind the surge of Lyme.
Well, my anxiety was up on and off the whole way there while driving (jitters, palpitations, sweats, etc...), and I always get this strange feeling in my lower jaw, teeth, and gums - like things are crawling around in there.
There were definite 'spikes' though in both my anxiety symptoms and coinciding jaw symptoms. And when I was almost there, I decided to test my ability to detect cell phone towers by paying attention to my spikes and then looking for a cell phone tower.
I only did this three times, but each time I felt a spike, I said out loud, "Okay, where's the cell phone tower?" And all three times I noted a cell phone tower within about a half mile. I'm not kidding. I thought I just got lucky the first time.
Anybody who seems to start getting anxiety-like symptoms, especially when leaving home, is invited to participate in this experiment. Remember though - you are always being radiated by EMFs, so you need to be able to detect only those spikes for this to work.
I'm really curious though how this will turn out. I wanted to perform this experiment on the way home, but it was too dark - I would have crashed trying to look for cell phone towers.
Will you try it and let me know if I'm not alone in my ability to detect cell phone towers? Like I said, I felt anxiety the whole way there, but there were quite a few unbearable spikes.
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butchieboo
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I tried that but my alcoa hat kept falling down over my eyes and I could'nt find any!LOL!
I appologize if you're really serious. BB
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You know you could be causing alot of your problems by agonizing over those things. Remove all you can of them and try to stay relaxed anxiety in its self can cause a lot of problems physicaly.
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Cell phone towers are everywhere. I would be hard pressed not to see one somewhere on my horizon line.
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Tailz,
Out here in the wild wild west,,,we dont have near as many towers.
I do however carry mine in my shirt pocket, because otherwise Iant hear or feel it. It is set on high and vibrate.
At times I "think" its vibrating, can feel it(((NOBODY calls ME))) but I think it is vibrating,it 'feels' like it!!
Another VERY strange thing about me is when ever I am 'close' to an electric motor I get that gastric duress sxs.
I am told that it is due to 'heavy metals' toxicicty. Have you checked into heavy metals for YOU???
This can occur very fast in the case of hands on a 3-5 HP motor. Feeling the vibrations.
OR it can be within its magnetic force field of a few feet. I have a motor that runs in the basement,,,when it runs steady I cant set at the kitchen counter right above it!!
As to cars, pickups etc,,,I think same thing is happening from the vibration, motion, PLUS the alternator sending out the vibes. I can tell the difference when 'gripping' the wheel very tightly and or very high on the wheel. If I hold it loosely at the bottom it 'helps'.
Leaning the seats back a little,,,helps some. And try to 'relax' during driving somewhat!!
For ME chewing gum or sunflower seeds neggates the effects of bad traveling!!! Try that or anything else that helps, experiment, it is nice to find a help,no matter how little it may be!!
Hope this helps, while I remain--just don--
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Just curious if MRI's could have contributed to the Borrelia. Does anyone know if there is a higher number of people with Lyme who have had MRI's compared to those people who have never had MRI's?
MRI's are electro magnetic fields
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I know traveling really throws me off since I have had lyme disease... one of my worst moments was when I was having to fly to see my LLMD and I always start freaking out when I am in the car for longer than 25 minutes...
I also believed I had a BAD herx after I had an MRI. I always herx around 1.5-2 days after I take an ABX, or rife, or whatever else I use and around 1.5 days after the MRI I woke in the middle of the night in dying pain!
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Marnie
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Try B6...100mg dose for the near panic attack.
Take it with a full glass of water because our stomach acids destroy B vitamins to a huge degree.
Give it about 45 minutes to kick in.
You will be surprised!
B6 helps control the Na-K pumps...
It couldn't be that simple, could it?
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TAilz, I dont' know if I told you that already, but I know a guy who could tell which was the cell phone people were using just by the pain he felt on his head (pain was different with different wave frequencies).
This was in Singapore, and if I remember well, there were 2 different wavelenghts used by mobile phone companies. Even when people were not talking on their mobiles, when they approached him, he would immediately turn and say: "Have you got this ZZZ mobile with you on?"
He was extremely sensitive and told me never ever he was going to use a cell phone in his life. He was always right on the provider of the mobile phone!!!!
I was a freak of the EMFs of my computer. I still am. I'm sure it makes me sick. I've been sleeping now without most EMFs inside my bedroom (cut the circuit breaker) for maybe a month or two... Now I react less to the EMFs of my computer, but will still get the chills if stay longer.
You gotta find a way to rest with limited EMFs. I had to quit my bedroom and am sleeping in the guest room, as my bed is metalic. When you rest a few hours a day, total darkness, you could 'recharge' your hypophyse. I do feel better and less anxious.
There are devices that help protecting your house. They cost a heck of money though... My doctor recommended one company but it's here in Switzerland.
Hope you get a way to rest a few hours a day! I also heard that people loaded with heavy metals are more sensitive to EMFs...
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tailz
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butchieboo - YES - I am totally, totally serious. In fact, I bet my right arm (and my left arm) that this electromagnetic chaos is the reason these little buggers cross the blood-brain barrier in the first place - not to mention causing a redistribution of metals in the body and a depletion of critical enzymes (which would explain my food allergies to almost everything - if I don't have the enzymes to digest something, bingo - allergic reaction).
You're not going to believe me, but read 'Cross Currents'. The cell phones of today are going to go bye-bye someday in the not-so-distant future, because they are killing us slowly.
My doc was supposed to test me for heavy metals, but he didn't mention them at my last appointment, so I don't know if he didn't run them, they came back normal, or they aren't back yet. I know I had occupational levels of arsenic last spring, and I was a whopping 88 lbs - not the 125 lb male (or whatever it is) these reference values are based on.
I suspect though that some of these diagnostic tests - MRIs, SPECT scans, etc... - cause problems themselves. I know something super freaky happened to me during a SPECT scan last fall. I had gone to the bathroom just prior to the SPECT, but within SECONDS of the test start I had a TREMENDOUS urge to urinate. It was SO bad, I couldn't keep still and the tech was scolding me, "I told you to go before we started."
Also, my reactions while driving seem to take awhile. Like Byron said, it seems to take a good 20-25 minutes of driving before I can detect those cell phone towers, because I tried this experiment today again. Remember though, the radiation from these cell phone towers is CUMULATIVE - so the longer you are out driving, the more radiation your body accumulates and has to dissipate - that's why it takes awhile to start feeling sick. The engine of a car, by the way, gives off its own EMFs.
I probably do not get enough B6 though, as most of the foods which are rich in B6 I have to avoid due to iron or sugar content.
Selma's right here - I think anyway. If heavy metals are at work here, why is this theory of mine so far-fetched? I was reading how magnet therapy can cure malaria because iron is a critical part of its life cycle. I know at the peak of my symptoms I tried on a copper magnetic bracelet and felt like both my brain and heart were being sucked into my hand to the point where I had to leave the store. If I so much as picked up a piece of onyx, same thing. The metals were being pulled around in my body.
So I believe Selma's story about the guy who could figure out which cell phone a person was using. No, it isn't a self-fulfilling prophesy at all. You'll see.
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No, tailz, I wouldn't want to play this game. It is dangerous all the way around.
Further, you are missing all the hidden microwave towers - the ones that look like crucifixes or the made-to-look-like roof tile or house siding (churches and people get paid for) and that would throw things off.
Is everyone affected?
bodyweight, body-mass index, bone density etc. alter the conductivity and receptivity of the organism.
Water and electrolyte content alter the antenna function of the organism (dehydration is protective and therefore most often adaptive!)
Touching the earht and spending time in healthy fields (i.e. old growth forest) discharges static electricity and restores normla electric tissue properties.
Heavy metal deposits in brain and CNS act as micro-antennae (Y. Omura) concentrate EMF radiation into the brain and increase reception.
Dental metal restorations increase reception for both radio waves, microcurrent from cell phone broadcasting and from all ambient fields.
Genes regulate the metal detoxifying enzymes and can predetermine people to be electro-sensitive
Any loss of myelin (=insulation) increases reception (MS, Lyme, other demyelinating illnesses and auto-immune processes.
Synergistic effect between geopathic earth radiation, metallic objects in home (mattress, artwork, frames) electric and magnetic fields from appliances and household current and incoming microwave from cell phone.
We are all being affected biologically, finacially, culturally and socially. And as of today the outcome is not known -- which makes it into the greatest guinea pig operation in history.
Did you have your cellphone with you, tailz?
As long as we keep paying a monthly fee, they will put up more towers -- until you can see one from every room of your house -- or a neighbor's roof tile hiding one!
Known Medical Effects
Microwave increases cancer rate 3 fold in 10 years after cell phone radiation is brought into a community - after a 5 year incubation period.
Severe EEG, HRV and EKG changes, delayed and disturbed brain development in infants, decreased melatonin and hormone production, open blood brain barrier with increased toxicity; affects entothelial cells in gut mucosa and endothelium (dysfunctional), responsible for illness and death of trees. Selma. I think the testing was done in your country: Cell phone radiation from base station affects blood brain barrier in a 1.6 mile radius. In Switerland, incinerating bodies with metals/mercury is against the law (surrounded by mountains)!
It is harsh reality. Not prophecy. Getting metals out of the body is important. That stopped every bit of vibration for me and helped me to get well. Both the fridge and I don't `` mini-earthquake'' anymore when getting near each other! Now I don't even shut off the fuses at night.
Take care.
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tailz
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Gigi - you're right. I know there is one spot on Route 100 here that I always feel funny at. I noticed this both yesterday and today. No cell phone tower is visible though. I'm not sure if the trees are hiding it or if it just looks different from the rest.
Though I agree getting metals out of the body is crucial, I find it frustrating that we need to consciously detox our bodies 24/7, when the simple solution would be to get rid of cell phones and wireless.
I don't own a cell phone - never have. My daughter has one though, and she had one while she was living with me. She lives on her own now though.
Even my computer bothers me - not as much as it once did, but still. I have dial up - not DSL or any of those fancy things. But I would give up running water if it meant I could live my life and not consciously and manually have to work my immune system every day.
'Cross Currents' though even mentions how electromagnetic radiation causes the cells to dehydrate at a much faster rate. This makes complete sense, as the 12 gallons of water (I'm exaggerating here) we're supposed to drink daily is difficult to do just by drinking when you really are thirsty.
Cell phones and wireless are just bad news. I hope they figure this out soon. My ex had a brain tumor removed back in February. It's scary.
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I feel that way if I walk in to Wall Mart. I just can't shop in the evil empire. What do they have in there!?
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tailz
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I'm reading that one article though - your last link - wow. Hidden towers? How creepy is that? And nobody is doing anything?
It says in that article that temperature can make the radiation from EMFs that much more damaging. I've noticed that when it's hot and humid, I react even more strongly to these cell phone towers. It's like my body is being fried, and I sweat so darn profusely in an attempt to dissipate the heat.
And it boils perspiration? I wonder if this is why skin cancer is on the rise. I had two atypical lesions removed. My daughter is only 20 and has had some removed just recently.
And they increase histamine? Change DNA?
See, I never for one minute believed that I was special in that I was the only one being 'sensitive' to being irradiated by these towers and frequencies. We ALL are.
That's an excellent article. I do have my suspicions, too, that the government is hiding something. It's scary.
bejoy - I have problems in Walmart, too. The automatic doors, fluorescent lighting, and godzillion security and theft protection thingers.
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Tailz,
I believe that EMF's are all around and alter our health...I have always had an innate aversion to high tension electrical towers...
be that as it may...and all the rest of the stuff you and a lot of us think about...I think the point TREE and I were trying to make is....
How an individual deals with this stuff... I have seen many of your posts...but not just
you...a lot of lymies here and elswhere....that seem to notice and worry about a whole host of things that they have no control over...which
will cause more anxiety and feelings of helplessness which ALWAYS translates into
lowering of the immune system and making us feel even more ill. This IS the PTSD part of why chronic illness is so difficult.
The point, I think TREE and I were trying to help you with, is you or anyone else has to sometimes "Note and File" to prioritize and compartmentalize all the weird stuff that comes with TBD's.
You, are at this stage of the illness that I have gone thru, perhaps Tree and others can relate, we all seem to go thru where we seem to be oversensitive to all that surrounds us and our disease.
This way you and others, as I have done, are not so overwhelmed with this disease. We can,
come to grips with the things that we HAVE control over and not worry or obsess over things we have NO control over and in turn perpetuate our illness.
To make overgeneralized statements like...this or that is "THE" reason we have lyme disease is not only not accurate...but it does'nt do you or anyone on this board much good.
Yes, it is ok to speculate and theorize...and maybe this is the place for it....maybe medical, is not the place for it,
because it is speculation and not really at the forefront of medical research that will help the general population of lyme patients.
Be that as it may...I think the TREE and I were trying to get you to stop worrying about,
"EVERYTHING"...cuz it only makes ya sicker!
Whenever I get a "new" transient pain or twitch or personality slant....I "note it and file it" and then move on to stuff I'm doing at present that is keeping me well.
I joke about a lot of this stuff that some folks write about...not because I think they're nutso or whatever.... But because that is MY way of dealing with this disease at times....
I make jokes about it and try to make light of some of the weird stuff that is happening to my body and mind...
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Walmart has fluorescent lights. They can trigger a seizure in some "vulnerable" persons (the very slight flickering of the light as well as the humming noise).
I know...my son has a seizure disorder. Strobe lights are worse.
These impact calcium and sodium channels and more.
Doubt?
Research it as I did, trying to figure out the how and why.
In addition (many causes of seizures...also neurotransmitter imbalances - serotonin, GABA,, genetic mutations, neurotoxins, etc.) and
apparently strobe lights can impact glucose levels (!):
"What is perhaps even more remarkable is that when the animals were stimulated with a strobe light, only anaerobic glucose metabolism increased along the visual pathways.
That such an increase in anerobic metabolism can occur rapidly was illustrated in conditioned animalsin which seizures were 'kindled' within seconds of stimulation."
The Society of Nuclear Medicine 36th Annual Meeting
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tailz
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BB - I know what you're saying. The problem is SOMEBODY has to worry about electromagnetic fields because, before too long, something is going to happen. There are scientists out there who think that all the kids walking around with cell phones to their heads today are going to be sporting early onset Alzheimer's when they are my age - and that scares me.
I want to spread the word. I'm not the type of person who waits for the scientific community to 'prove' something, especially when so much is at stake here (our health), and especially when they have no economic incentive to do the needed research to 'prove' what they need to.
Marnie - I was on Klonopin for 15 or 16 years - an anticonvulsant - for anxiety though, not seizures - though I did spook doctors out when I seizured during my one surgery. That right there tells me there is a physical cause for anxiety, and all these psychiatric illnesses are really some offshoot of like epilepsy, in this case.
My blood sugar was also high last time it was checked, and I don't even eat sugar or bread or even most fruit anymore. So was my calcium. Problem is when I take magnesium, it feeds my bugs.
Fluorescent lights are messed up, and for the few cents they save a year, kids are developing learning and behavioral problems. None of this stuff is safe, but scientists are still strapped to their worn out theory of evolution over creation.
Even the fact that they are looking for drugs to help these mice - why a drug? - why not just turn OFF the EMFs that are causing GENETIC ALTERATIONS of DNA?
If I didn't worry about this stuff, I would feel complacent - and I can't do that with what I know. Like I said, I don't think I'm special in that I am exceptionally bothered by these frequencies. I think we ALL are - just some are more aware.
And as one EMF article stated - you wouldn't put your head in a microwave oven and hit the 'on' switch, would you? Yet that is exactly what we are doing. And we CAN do something about it, but not if we resolve there is nothing we can do.
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I can't stand going into walmart because of the flouresent lights.
And hosptial ER rooms are HORRIBLE. They make me sick to my stomach because of their lights. Church is horrible too.
I have no doubt electric fields can cause people problems.
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tailz
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One thing I've noticed is that if my eyelids are open semi-completely, a few minutes in front of my computer or a few seconds driving by a cell phone tower and my eyelids don't open as wide.
It's like the nerve signal isn't strong enough for me to be able to open my eyelids completely.
'Science' calls this 'aging'. I think science has a screw loose. It's the electromagnetic chaos.
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Tailz, Gosh, what a mess you're going through.
Just would like to tell you my sensibility to EMFs have dropped these last weeks or so.
I guess it has to do with more efficient metal detoxing I'm doing? Or cutting the circuit breakers at night? Not sleeping in my metal bed?
I'm NOT freezing anymore while in front of this computer, but I know if I exagerate, it'll happen again. I started EMF avoidance about November last year (so it took me about 8 months to feel I can feel better). Still knocking on wood though!!
I would like to add that my body is in general working better despite new reinfection and very complicated treatment I'm doing. I can sleep only 4 hours a night and still be functional next day without much problem.
Not something I would advise someone with lyme to do, but just to give you a hint on my health condition now. I did that 3 times last week, including this night...
I'm just writing that so that you get some hope!!
But as Gigi said, never ever pay a monthly fee to these companies and try to avoid the use of cell phones as much as you can (and convince others to do the same), so that these towers don't multiplicate more...
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Selma, that's scary all you go through to function. I thought I was bad, too.
I ditched my cordless phone. I missed it for about a week. I do notice though that I still have reactions on this corded phone, though I'm not sure if it's the phone itself or the fact that I talk to people on their cell phones through it. I haven't talked on this new phone enough times to figure out which it is yet - and most people I talk to any length use their cell phones to call me.
I can say I am less affected than I was last year around this time, but that doesn't say much.
Last year around this time I had no idea it was electromagnetic fields that were making me sick - I thought it was merely air pollution because my symptoms were excruciating and would intensify in heavily populated areas. In fact, if I'm double-dosed with BOTH electromagnetic fields AND air pollution, I look like I've been hit by a truck.
But I literally would have trouble breathing so bad that I would be thrown immediately into a panic attack. I couldn't concentrate driving and would do stupid things - like step on the gas and go straight when the left-turn arrow turned green - or sit in the middle of a major highway waiting to turn left, and there was a big sign right in front of me 'no turns'. Needless to say, when people would honk at me, I would just get more panicked.
Once I found out I had Lyme though, my attitude changed. Then when I'd do stupid things, I didn't care so much because I had told my doctor at the time that he shouldn't be making me drive all the way there - so blame HIM for my driving, not me.
Another thing that would happen is my forehead would get all wrinkled up - like whatever nerves controlled my forehead muscles would all fire at once when exposed to cell phone towers or other EMFs.
I'm sure metals are involved here - metal toxicity - but I cannot eat any high iron foods in any quantity - and I just don't think we all should have to live like this - fighting infection non-stop, just so everybody can chat away in parking lots, in line at the store, at the cash register, etc... on their cell phones - about whether to buy Cheerios or Alphabits, no less.
I will never own a cell phone after all I learned these things can do - and mark my word - this electromagnetic chaos is behind ALL chronic infection.
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tailz, I think there are alot of things going on near your area besides EMF radiation. Its a cumulative thing. Lyme, air pollution, emf radiation, whats in the water...it all has an affect. Living in the area you do, your body is constantly being bombarded. We ended up having to move out of state for any chance to get better or improve our quality of life. We are still sick but not nearly as bad off as we were when we lived in PA.
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You mean I have to move to Wichita? What's the weather like? Is it humid? What are the winters like?
Actually, I believe you. In fact, this may sound crazy, but I often wondered what possessed me to sell my house in Boyertown, PA and move to the boonies in Kutztown.
I thought my house had some sort of toxic mold growing - or even a radon problem - as many of my pets became ill at a very young age. A couple of my cats died at the age of 2 even. All had some sort of chronic health problem that even baffled my vet.
My neighbors all had their homes tested for radon, and many of them had radon vents installed. I had to have my radon remediated before I could sell it - that's when I found out it was indeed high.
But I live in a mobile home now, and I have to drive to get anywhere. But holy cow do I feel sick if I drive into Allentown or pretty much anywhere inhabited.
Though I agree all these things contribute to poor health, I think electromagnetic chaos is the biggest factor as I think the body is preprogrammed to remove toxins - cell phones disrupt that program though.
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Hey Trailz...not to worry about my awareness....
Believe me I'm very aware...I just won't allow all this stuff to bother me....even when it physiologically bothers me....I don't let it psychologically bother me....
I believe that is the point I was trying to make you aware of so as not do yourself any more dammage...
However I am NOW aware that, this is what seems to do it for you so.....
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butchieboo - I think MEN created all this electromagnetic chaos, and kept on creating it and creating it, because I think men in general are less affected by all this electromagnetic chaos than women are.
It's women who are being harmed the most and are, therefore, more physically traumatized - and THUS, psychologically traumatized by it.
Let me know how I'm supposed to overlook the sweat pouring down my forehead, chest, neck, back - how I'm supposed to ignore the perspiration odor that literally drips off of me -how I'm supposed to ignore my photophobia - how I'm supposed to overlook the fact that I can't think when in the presence of cell phone towers (regardless of whether I actually can see them - like at night), and I'll happily dismiss the fact that I'm being fried to death so that men can have their little computerized gadgets to play with all day long.
Until my body reacts like a man's though to these poisonous frequencies, I'm going to make an issue of it. And if you were to grow some ovaries, you would, too.
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tailz, Yes, I was being serious. We did an internet search on many different areas in many different states and came up with Kansas. Good economy, housing is unbelievably cheap compared to PA prices. Also did an extensive environmental search and this is a fairly 'clean' state.
Winters aren't like PA where it was days on end of snow and bad temps. Yes, it gets humid, but the air is different here and doesn't have the same heaviness that the air did there. I remember bad air days when everyone in the parent pick up line was sniffles/sinus and the works.
Ahh...pets dying young..big problem there. High cancer rates especially with the kids.
I didn't believe anything like this until we had been there for about a year [lived there only 4 total] I didn't believe in environmental stuff, natural medicine, or anything outside 'normal' until I had to.
One of the docs we had in PA told me so much about the area and EMF stuff that was happening to whole families.
So I guess I am a believer now because I seen too much and too many people get sick and die there. Very young too.
If you have Lyme and a mold issue added to all that, than it makes that area downright deadly to live in IMHO.
I don't know if anything I am saying is making any sense tonight, but I did want to tell you to keep searching and don't stop no matter what anyone says. People who haven't lived over in that particular area don't really understand what its like to live there and have all that stuff go on.
Yes, we are still sick from Lyme and thanks to things we were directly exposed to there are other issues that we have but NOTHING and I mean Nothing compared to the daily crud we had going on over there.
Oh, the other thing...if you lived in Boyertown than you know why I am saying...DON'T drink the water. Switch to bottled. If you haven't already, it makes a difference especially with the gastro issues.
Just to set the record straight, I don't need the hormones of a female nor the microwave towers to exhibit the same symptoms you say you attribute to either.
I sweat profusely; there are times still in my ongoing battle when while driving I forget where
I'm going or how I got there and often times freeze or panic;even the crinkling up of my forehead that I could'nt control used to happen
to me at the pool with nary a sole around with a phone; your thinking process seems to be, somewhat askew whether you're near a tower or in
the shower and sometimes so is mine, you probably should discuss that with your doctor especially when you seem to blame men for all
your problems; I for one have a cell phone but rarely have it with me and rarely use same. We have it for emergencies only.
I DON'T need to grow ovaries to experience any of the things you mention above or on many of
your posts I get them from lyme/coinfections excluding malaria all the time.
Another thing I wanted to ask you, I saw a comment you made in this or in another thread...
How my dear tailz is it possible you KNOW for sure you got your diseases thru a mosquito or fleas?
Did you catch the ones that bit you and have them analyzed to find these diseases in their respective guts? Cuz that would be the only way to be SURE! Just wondered.
Men are'nt out to get women...we don't really mind that they live longer than we do....honest! BB
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Tailz, Not sure whats happening with this thread, but just wanted to sum up my thoughts to you by saying that I don't know alot about EMFs but from what all I have read, it makes sense that you would be more sensitive than the average person because of where you lived. Its like being highly sensitive to mold and living in a mold infested home. Unless you get rid of the source, the best you could home for is to stay at an even pace with the symptoms. I won't be back on till later, but wanted to share that.
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Anyone that is experiencing similar problems with EMF and electrogalvanism, it is literally impossible to do much about it if you are heavy metal toxic. That's the place to start, without a doubt.
I cannot even remember how bad I was - but after clearing the body of the different metals effectively, which took longer than a few months, every symptom relating to EMF, metals and of course anything that Lyme contributed is gone - permanently.
So I would recommend rather than just suffering and complaining about it, there is definitely a solution to the problems. I am one of thousands that have done it and succeeded. If your body can't live with the metals, you will have to take the next step -- get them out.
Driving through the countryside will again become fun!
Take care.
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tailz
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ks mom - Boyertown had a problem with the water? I didn't know that and I lived there FOURTEEN years. The neighbor on one side of me had a baby with Down's who later developed leukemia. A neighbor on the other side of me had an 8 yo son who had a stroke.
My ex still lives in the Boyertown area though - 10 minutes from our old house. He just had a brain tumor removed, and he's not listening to me.
I know what you are saying though - the air here is SO heavy to breathe. I'm not even sure some days if there is any oxygen in it. I'm curious who the doc in PA is who believes in these EMFs though.
BB - Allow me to clarify something here - cell phone TOWERS are the problem here, and you can't escape them completely, no matter where you go.
You may not have your phone with you, or on, or somebody walking by has no phone - but then again, how do you 'know' this?
Can you 'see' the electromagnetic fields? Can you 'taste' them? Do they tap you on the shoulder and cry out to you?
And as far as ovaries go, how many men do you know who are walking around with one testicle? I'll bet you know many women who have lost one or both ovaries though, and even their uterus (and if you don't, you now do - ME).
That to me speaks volumes about who is behind modern technological 'advances'.
And thank you, BB, for suggesting my thoughts are 'askew', too. Also, for suggesting I mention all of this to my (I'm assuming) male doctor.
I mean, since I'm a woman and all, of course I'm looking for a man to give me a little direction here, huh? Gee, what would I do without you?
Hmmm? I know - I probably would not be swimming around in a SEA of manmade EMFs for one thing, because I know knitting would have been plenty to appease simple me.
And how do I 'know' I got this from a mosquito and a flea as opposed to a tick? You are correct - I have no way of 'knowing', BUT I found fleas and mosquitos on me feeding, whereas I never found a tick on me. It's called 'common sense' or are my thoughts 'askew' again?
You can't seriously believe we've all had ticks hiding in our groins. I'd sooner believe I inherited this genetically.
cave - Great. More women are running Fortune 500 companies than ever before. I ask - are more women running Fortune 500 companies than men? And are there an equal number of women in the highest paying jobs as men?
How many female presidents have we had? And if one ever gets elected, what are the chances that we will have (how many presidents were there anyway?) - no matter - EIGHTY in a row? You may laugh at this, but this is true.
Gigi - I know this has everything to do with heavy metals. I could not take an iron pill last year around this time because my body shot it out instantly. In fact, I was on prescription iron after my hysterectomy.
But these metals would not be stuck in me if it weren't for EMFs. They cause metals to redistribute in key organs - like the brain. And these bugs would be where my immune system could get them, if it weren't for EMFs.
'Cross Currents' - I will apparently go to my grave hailing this book.
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tailz, The eye doc at the mall in coventry that died in 2004. I don't know how to explain everything else about the air, water and soil without going into alot of detail.
Believe me I in no way inferred that you had a male doctor, quite the contrary. You should read my posts, before you decide to make overgeneralizations about me thinking women belong, "barefoot and pregnant".
You are the one making the claim that EMF's are why we have lyme disease. I can't quite see how when lyme disease was here way before cell phones and EMF towers.
I must confess I truly don't understand all that stuff about ovaries and testicles....but sure, if that's what you would like to believe....
I usually go up to women I just meet and say "High, I'm two testicled BB, do you have one or two ovaries"?
"Oh, and by the way dear, have you(not you tailz) had your ueteres removed because some male doctor needed a new condominium"?
No, Tailz, your bias toward male doctors and men in general are WELL documented, noted and filed. But I am not offended because I am an atypical male.
My reasons for denoting that your thinking is slightly askew were purely diagnostic and meant for you to take a serious look at the many and
varied ways your mind and illness and imagination takes you. And discuss it with your FEMALE doctor because I don't think she's treating you aggressively enough.
I'm mentioning this from one previously neurolyme sufferer to what I think is another.
Let me further remind you that approximately 70 percent of the people who have lyme never saw the vector that gave it to them. Be it tick or otherwise.
My concern for your mental health is genuine and never meant to hurt or discredit you in any way. Please understand that...I wish no verbal combat....
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ks mom - I PM'd you. No - I didn't hear about the eye doc who died. My daughter lives across from the Coventry Mall, too - with 2 bands of Lyme herself - not enough to treat.
BB - You don't know me either. See, I DO believe that women belong barefoot and pregnant. Unfortunately, if you (men) ARE going to put us out in the working world there (with LYME, no less) so that you can continue to invent your electromagnetic gadgets that will ultimately destroy the female gender, then allow us to at least use our brains and make equal money - and have equal status so that we can correct things when say, for instance, the planet start to WARM and the glaciers start to MELT on top of our children.
Women were 'designed' to build nests and bear children. I'm trying to figure out what happened in this world though. Must be those EMFs. I'm not being sarcastic either. I honestly believe that just as spirochetes vibrate at a certain 'frequency', so does the devil. And I'm pretty convinced that cell phones are vibrating pretty close to a 666 right about now.
And you are correct - Lyme Disease existed before cell phones and cell phone towers. And what year was alternating current (electricity) invented? I'll bet you find a correlation there if you were to monitor energy usage in America. Each bump up in electricity usage due to technological advances corresponds PERFECTLY with an increase in disease across the board. Read 'Cross Currents' - don't take my word for it. By the way, a MAN wrote this book, yet I still am recommending it.
And what don't you understand about ovaries and testicles that I'm just 'wanting to believe'? If a man has a problem with his genitalia, doctors will move mountains to preserve it 'intact'. They acknowledge that the male genitalia is crucial - ALL OF IT - and unless cancer exists, it LIVES ON.
On the other hand, if a woman complains of pelvic pain, male-dominated science just figures the only part necessary are those parts that keep the male genitalia 'content'. Every other part is expendable. This is why very few woman are not missing their vaginas. Now if men could live without those, I guarantee we'd be missing those, too, and mine would have bitten the dust ions ago.
By the way, BB, I DO have a bias - not just towards male doctors, but female doctors as well. Why? Because females have been so conditioned over CENTURIES (by men) that this is how it was and should be (I'm guessing through brutal FORCE), that even female doctors don't meet my rigid criteria. The ONLY thing a man has on me is MUSCLE.
What's more - you are wrong about me. I'm not sure I can thank my Lyme Disease for my crystal clear thinking here - but something just generally AWAKENED in my female brain over the last several years of undiagnosed Lyme. My mind has NEVER been more focused on issues that MATTER most, and this apparently is one of them.
I sat in front of mostly male doctors, and not a single one of them treated any of my symptoms as having any basis in 'reality'. They all hee-hee-d and ha ha-d me while I went right into menopause right before their very eyes at 41 - which by the way, is NEVER normal. That's right - MENOPAUSE IS NOT NORMAL. It's INFECTION and TOXICITY.
And when I obtained my records, holy cow - I had no idea they would sit there and dictate details of my diet and sexual relationships in them. Is that all really necessary?
I guess diet would matter IF they were going to tell me what to change about it - but NOTHING was done there. In fact, the GI doc told me to continue to eat WHEAT - of all things!
What does my sex life have to do with anything either? Do people who abstain from sex not get sick?
I just have to wonder - if doctors were only to see a list of complaints along with labs and diagnostics (minus any that would indicate gender or occupation) - how different the diagnosis would have been if I had been say a male businessman as opposed to 'a divorced, domestically-abused female on disability living in a trailer park'?
Can you believe they made sure to write 'trailer park' in my records? Was that really necessary? Was that info crucial to diagnosing me? Does it make any difference if I had been abused in a relationship? - assuming I was not being seen for bruises?
Do you think doctors don't get a 'feeling' about a patient when they read those words in a patient's record? A lawyer told me they are taught to ignore these things, BUT they are HUMAN and pass JUDGMENTS, whether they care to or not - and he admitted they do just that.
And WHO needs to see a shrink here for psychiatric problems? Oh no - definitely NOT me. I would be DEAD had I allowed ANY doctor to continue to steer my boat for me. From now on, I STEER.
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OK Tailz,
This, extreme focus, you say, came with the lyme disease. This would'nt necessarily be obsessive/compulsive/manic behavior now would it!?
If you refuse to at least think objectively about my concern for your mental well being and it's possibility and/or probability due to whatever infection you may have.
Which the doctors at Columbia university psychiatry department are compiling data about.
Then I have failed. Perhaps some day you may come to this realization and get the proper care, I think you desperately need.
Also remember there are others that read this board that seek to harm us by quoting or
misquoting posters and some of the halfbaked theories that appear here from time to time.
In the mean time....I will have to SOB. No offense. I apparently can't help you.
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BB - First, obsessive-compulsive disorder is a disease of the brain probably caused by some pathogenic microorganism and/or toxicity - and I wouldn't doubt EMFs play a role. There are differences in the physical and chemical makeup of the brains of people with OCD - causing a glitch so to speak.
There is absolutely nothing psychological/psychiatric about it whatsoever, and this is why most people with OCD suffer from this disease indefinitely, and 'talk therapy' and even behavior modification therapies do not help cure the repetitive thoughts and/or rituals of MOST people with OCD.
Also, a lot of people with OCD share identical compulsions - such as hand-washing and checking rituals - even though they came from different backgrounds and enjoyed different life experiences. Some scientists think it's some sort of glitch in the nesting instinct.
With that said, ask me whether I CARE about the data that doctors at Columbia University are 'compiling' about my 'mental' health needs. Big pharma and the insurance industry have funded all one-track studies that have been done thus far. Big pharma and the insurance industry have even funded the schools these prestigious doctors have been TAUGHT at.
Do you think that hasn't swayed the studies that have been done thus far on OCD and exactly WHICH ONES are presented as scientific 'evidence'? Do you think that hasn't swayed the results of such studies? - that all studies are performed and accurately presented to the scientific community free of modification?
When some stray doctor or scientist comes along with some theory for a disease that does not fit the economic or political needs of pharma and insurance, guess what? - the study just doesn't get the needed funding and doesn't get done. They've yet to cure anything non-surgically since polio, no matter how many pieces of my brain tissue I might will them at my death.
'The Menopause Industry - How The Medical Establishment Exploits Women', and of course, 'Cross Currents'. Both books are littered with examples of the corruption that exists within our medical system, and how most of us have sat back passively and trusted what we have received to be truth - when in fact, only a small percentage of what we've been told about any disease is actually scientific, undisputed 'fact'.
Take childbirth, for instance. For ions women have been having babies without the assistance of medical 'science', and we must not have done too poorly at it because the earth is populated.
Nowadays, however, as soon as a woman begins menstruating and becomes sexually active, guess what? - she is literally bombarded with warnings and advertisements that she is now in need of medical care and supervision and is funneled right into the very profitable healthcare system for the rest of her life - LITERALLY - until the day she dies.
Birth control, annual PAPS, childbirth, breast exams, mammograms, menopause, and their latest health 'scare' - HPV. Have you seen the commercials for it? Did you know that a large percentage of NUNS test positive for HPV and never come down with cervical cancer?
And how 'safe' are those birth control pills and yearly mammograms? And who usually finds the majority of breast lumps? Did you know that most cases of cervical dysplasia correct themselves within about 3 months making annual PAPS before a certain age pretty useless? Did you know most episiotomies are unnecessary? C-sections? - same thing!
And why don't you ask me about my experience with Premarin?
Women aren't told these things though because our health is being 'marketed', so to speak, and what is happening here with women is completely disproportionate with what is happening to men within our healthcare system.
Did you know that Clinton apologized for the medical community after they allowed syphilis to progress untreated for a period of time - for the sole purpose of CURIOSITY as to what damage the disease would cause to key organ systems? How can you be so sure that this is not what is happening within the Lyme community?
So I seriously doubt we have anything close to the whole story behind Lyme, OCD, or any other disease for that matter, and I can only PRAY that somebody in the medical community eventually falls upon my posts on this forum and I see myself quoted in some medical sourcebook - though chances are I'll be assassinated when that happens.
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Yes , You're absolutely correct as I stated in my previous post. "whatever infection you have" is manifesting itself in OCD behavior with a little paranoia possibly thrown in for good measure.
But, because lyme is involved, it may not have all the "standard" manifestations associated with the disease, because lyme is just immitating the disorder.
You're stumbling all over the obvious answer to your problems. For some reason, you are not doing anything about your own health issues, not seeing the forrest for the trees.
This is exactly what I'm trying to get you to understand. You're ill. Continuously blaming others is pointless.
Continuously searching for other reasons for your ills besides neuroborreliosis(BB/coinfection/TBI's/){infection of the brain}
is just keeping you from owning your illness and taking steps to do something about it.
The psychiatrists at Columbia University are proving for each and every lymie and LLMD that continued or open ended or extended antibiotic regimens are needed in treating chronic lyme disease.
That would be one reason why you should care about what those psychiatrists are doing at Columbia.
Fallon and company are not trying to prove behavioral or innate psychological stimuli is causing the abhorant behavior chronic lymies
exhibit, but an organic micro-organism, that requires antibiotics/etc for a very long period of time.
They're proving that it is indeed a bug!
That's why you and every lymie out here should support and praise their work.
The steere camp sure isn't doing anything about our disease. That is, except making it worse and
harder if not impossible to even get it recognized as a chronic, epidemic problem in this country.
In the meantime, tailz, please, recognize and fix yourself first. Instead of wondering how you're going to pick apart my next post. Because, I believe I will no longer respond.
Even LouB is always saying...."you take care of you".
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BB - Let me tell you something here - there is no difference whatsoever between paranoia caused by infection/toxicity and the more 'psychiatric' paranoia (which, trust me, is also caused by undiagnosed infection/toxicity). They are identical, and I no longer believe there is such thing as 'mental illness'.
And before you accuse me of not doing enough to help myself here, maybe you ought to tell science to put less effort into 'naming' illnesses and more into finding out what actually causes them and how to fix them, because so far I'm not too impressed.
Had I allowed what happened to me here to roll off my back with no change in attitude and gone on blindly hailing and patiently trusting doctors who obviously did not have my best interests at heart, I am sure they would have been happier and there would have been less of an upheaval, but where would that have left me?
And I would never allow them to put me on psych meds again. If a woman has virtually any health complaint these days, it is automatically blamed on hormones or something psychological in nature. Even my Lyme sweats were blamed on my 'fluctuating female hormones'. My God, my pain went through the roof on Premarin.
And though I am thankful for the research that has been done with Lyme, they are ignoring evidence from a less politically accepted scientist that the fact that Lyme is so perseverant is because we are swimming in an ocean of manmade electromagnetic fields which allow the bug to cross the blood-brain barrier where the body's immune system has no hope of ever eradicating it.
I don't know how close you stood to death's door, but I had one foot over the threshold. And for that reason alone I will never stop looking into every cause of Lyme there could be - not just the theories that are popular at the time and are accepted by science.
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