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I have been having a hard time with my muscles and trigger points. I seem to have trigger points in just about all of my muscles. I had 8-9 lidocaine injections done yesterday in my head, neck, and shoulder area. Now I am really soar. I wanted to know if there are any supplements out there that help with trigger points and tight muscles...
I take magnesium and b vitamins, along with a multivitamin everyday but this has not helped much, if at all...
I really need to get rid of the trigger points becuase they could be causing my chronic headache and all of my muscle pain!
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Marnie
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"CHRONIC PAIN RESULTS FROM PAST injuries and from numerous, uncorrected and underlying causes.
Usually it is the initial trauma that initiates trigger point activity in a muscle, while other factors work together to prolong it.
Poor sitting and standing posture,
nutritional inadequacies (often vitamin B1, B6 and B12),
postural and mechanical stress allow pain to continue for months and even years.
The description of chronic pain is unique to each individual and may be described as burning, throbbing, stabbing, deep, dull and achy with varying intensities of discomfort. Treatment by your medical practitioner will be necessary to help unravel chronic cycles of pain."
B12 is usually given as a shot. Often low in lyme. The blood level can be measured.
Many B vitamins are destroyed when we take them orally by our really strong stomach acids, so it is important to take the B vitamins with a full glass of water to try to dilute the stomach acids somewhat.
They don't normally stay in our system for a long time (approx. 2 hours)...being "water soluable" vitamins.
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You can also take sublingual B vitamins. Be sure to get a yeast-free one.
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Aniek
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How much magnesium do you take? I've been told you need to be over 1000 mg a day (broken into multiple doses) in order to help with muscles.
If you are willing to try drugs, which I found vital to controlling muscle pains, you might want to try a muscle relaxer like Flexeril. Combined with myofascial release, Flexeril is what first made my muscle pain manageable. You need to give it time to get used to the fatigue and get to a high enough dose.
Myofascial trigger point release can help. But if you are like me, the Lyme causes the muscles to inflame. So this can actually be worse if you aren't on something to control the inflammation. That's what I used Flexeril for.
I've tried a lot of supplements for muscle pain. B-12, magnesium, calcium, quercetin, bromelain. The magnesium helps. But nothing really gets rid of the tightness and pain.
You also need to use the muscles once you do start getting them relaxed. It's really hard, but the less you use them, the harder it is to get them relaxed. I have much more pain if I don't do yoga regularly.
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According to The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook: Your Self-Treatment Guide for Pain Relief, hypoglycemia is a common cause of trigger points. I don't know if this applies to you or not but I know that hypoglycemia is rampant in fibro patients (fibro can be a result of lyme). Deranged blood sugar seems to be common with lyme. If you don't already have tight control over your blood sugars perhaps you could try that and see if it helps.
I have the book and a theracane and I do my own trigger point work. He shows the locations of common trigger points and where they would refer pain. Since trigger points often cause referred pain, this information helps a great deal to determine which trigger points might be causing your problem. I often get immediate relief of headaches this way when nothing else works.
As far as supplements - when my back starts seizing up it feels like there is one long muscle that tightens up, I use L-Valine and that helps a great deal but it is an amino acid that is hard to find so I've started to use Branched Chain Amino Acids and that seems to work just as well. I can't say if they would work for you. I found them via muscle testing and they work great for me.
The one that I use has L-leucine 1,000 mg, L-Isoleucine 500 mg, L-Valine 500 mg. I also take (and have for years) the B vitamins that Marnie mentions.
There are also trigger point therapists who will do massage. My daughter sees one and in one session he took care of a migraine that she had for over a month. She had MRI's, tons of medications, spent lots of money with no relief. One session with a trigger point therapist and it was gone. Hope you get some relief.
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well I know I have alot of trigger points, my PT shot them with lidocaine yesterday afternoon, now I am soar and feel a little worse today... I am going to start going up on my b-vitamins and try to get more sunlight everyday...
It is just hard trying to get them to go away, they are not responding to treatment that much, if at all!
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It may be something different, but I get tight spots that feel like cramps. Most often they are in the deltoids or latisimus dorsi. Unattended to they tend to spread out to my neck and upper back. These usually co-occur with muscle or facial twitching that is uncomfortable but not painful.
I tried taking magnesium orally but could not tolerate the abdominal discomfort due to previous abdominal surgeries.
My doctor and I decided to try taking magnesium sulfate IM. It does the trick. Initially I took it about every five days based on symptoms. These days it's more like every two weeks. I costs less than a dollar per dose and you can add an ML of 1% Lidocaine to dramatically reduce any discomfort. This intervention has been in Dr. B's guidelines.
As I recall, you have been having problems with weight loss. Oral magnsium can be a laxative (think Milk of Magnesia) so you may need to be careful with that stuff. Good luck.
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Co-Q10 is supposed to be good for the muscles.
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bejoy
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I also get very sore muscles in areas of injury. Extra magnesium helps for me.
Muscle spasms also get worse for me with congested lymph, when I am using a therapy that is creating lots of die-off.
I feel much better two days after manual lymph drainage therapy (but very tired and neuro the day after.)
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5dana8
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sorry to hear about your headaches & muscle pain
Sometimes where there is pain there is inflammation. Here's a link & hope it helps:
make sure to talk over everything first with your LLMD...none of the above is medical advise...just my 2 cents
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groovy2
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My Muscles used to be Super Tight and I hurt All Over --
After doing Babs Treatment this went away- Was One of my worst Symptoms --
Now my joints and muscles are 95% pain Free --AAhhhh
Shakes and nerve jumpies are gone too -
Gluecosmine Sulfate help me with muscle and joint pain-- Hugely --
I am 100% Sure that if I had not taken GS for many years I would be crippled now -- --Jay--
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