Topic: Am I lyme free? Gigi, Scott, muscle testers!
hardynaka
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This is ONLY for the ones who believe on energetic testing! If you don't, just don't read down!
I am still on heavy herbal treatment yet, but I stopped herxing from recent re-infection in these last days.
I do muscle tests and since I fell ill more than 2 years ago, I had borrelia and co-infections ALWAYS positive.
Since TODAY, they're coming negative for the first time! Yesterday they came faint, only testing in my belly area.
Previous infection: I tested for bart and borrelia for a long time (since I was bitten in 2005).
May 12/ 2007: rebitten. Tested for bart, borrelia, babesia, mycoplasma and intestinal candida.
I started heavy treatment against everything, first GI candida was knocked, second mycoplasma. I herxed IMMENSELY for weeks ever since I was bitten! I changed my herbs EVERY DAY, either in the amount or the herb itself, adjusting every intake I took.
I took LOADS of homeopathics and LOADS of herbs, all schedule was very carefully timed (with muscle tests), this was about 8-10 times a day in not more. This is the first time I did that so careful, as I was SCARED TO DEATH to fall ill again as I fell first time infection.
I thought I was going to enter the final battles against babesia this last week, but NO. All 3 last pathogens started testing SOOO WEAK ALL OF A SUDDEN from yesterday.
My brain was free of pathogens for the last week or 10 days. But I still tested these 3 pathogens in my GI area. I started then doing a VERY BASIC diet ever since.
Yesterday, babs, bart, borrelia in my muscle tests were coming so weak, only when I touched my GI, but very weak, all of the 3.
And today, they don't test anymore!!! Even cysts (I 'ask' only - mental field), nope.
I know I must have them, the critters and cysts, but as some people say, they're probably not making me sick. (?)
I ask 'open regulation?', yes. 'Close regulation' - no. I test for 'switching', both sides come strong. 'Am I sick?' No. 'Do I have lyme?' No. And so on.
The last symptom to go was chills, and my muscle tests say it's because of thyroid. So I started yesterday on homeopathic thyroid support, and I had my first day today TOTAL chill-free! And it's a chilly day here, as it has been this summer!
Could this be placebo, I dont' know...
I have been doing metal detox for about a year and a half, I take metal cleansers many times a day since then, I took off two root canals that were rotten under (but nothing appeared in the X-ray) in May-June, and that's where I am.
The dentist cleared canals with 'energetic' testing (that looked for cavitation/ mushy parts/ bacteries).
I'm toothless, no infection in these holes from ex canals so far... No more cavitations according to energetic testing from my doctor (ART).
This is the first time LYME DISEASE IS NOT TESTING in my own tests!!
In these last weeks, my symptoms were HERXES, fatigue up and down in between herxes, some 'metal pulling' feeling from my joints, I kept rubbing the metal cleansing oils I found plus some cilantro tincture (but these oils act MUCH FASTER than cilantro)... Those were my lyme 'symptoms'. Sometimes I had sweats at night, but nothing strong.
I felt so much herx until last week or so, SO MUCH that I had to be home bound from 10-15hs, the period of stronger herxes. During that time, I was functional but was ingesting loads of MSM, chlorella, bear garlic, Destroxin, etc EVERY HOUR to feel normal. It was difficult to get out due to schedule.
I'm still shocked to have stopped herxing somehow so suddenly, I'm still shocked that borrelia, bart, babesia are NOT testing anymore...
I'll go get my GALAKTOSE soon, as I'm testing I need more of this stuff, I still have skin fungi on my feet, but getting better (I had that pre-lyme). Metals still testing there on some of my toes, but NOT TESTING IN MY JOINTS!!! Also for the first time!
I had "jelly joints" the last weeks, I know these were from metal detoxing there (even though I was not doing very active metal detox).
I was thinking about Gigi that said that she released metals after taking off cavitations/ root canals. Could that be my case? I was though rubbing stuff there, but I had always been before, without much 'success'.
I felt these weeks that metal cleansing was VERY STRONG, a bit by itself. Many of my joints felt sort of 'needle' pains, then the weakness feeling (jelly). I had that before with NDF, so I know these are metal releasing symptoms in my joints(and muscle test confirms). And the pattern jitterness / chlorella + MSM ingestion/ calming down confirms too.
So lyme symptoms, I guess I DON'T HAVE THEM TODAY. I still feel I'm dreaming, that it CAN'T be true. Only time will tell.
I WON'T STOP treatment for the moment, many killer herbs are still testing good so I'm taking these, INCLUDING artemisinin.
Before reinfection, I had these chills here and there, I was reacting to EMFs strong too, now less... But I'm avoiding these at night time.
I can even drink half a cup of GOAT MILK, that made me totally sick EVEN before lyme, I am taking things that were testing allergenic and that WERE very allergenic (kiwi burned my mouth just if it I touched my tongue), and now I can eat MANY OF THESE STUFF, so allergies seem to be VANISHING ???!!
I never drank a cup of goat milk IN MY WHOLE LIFE, because my experience with any milk was a sip making me terrible tummy aches and diarrhea (total allergy or intollerance).
Now many things don't test allergic anymore, and I can take them, digest them, not get ANY sick after ingestion!!! I wonder if it was not the MERCURY or metals that made me sick from allergies?? Or my rotten root canals???
I'm taking then goat milk, goat whey (that caused me terrible diarrheas before) without ANY visible problem so far!
Of course, I still dont' exagerate as I still have 'brain trauma' from milk products.
But even WHEAT IS NOT TESTING ALLERGY EITHER now. It's just UNBELIEVABLE! I'm still afraid of wheat, so I'm not eating loads.
I fell sick SO FAST after both tick bites. Can I get well so fast too ?
Either there's something going totally WRONG with my body that's behaving weird, or am I getting well ???
Is it a dream that's finally happening ???
Could I be herxing so much 2 weeks ago, and now being considered lyme free?
Just wanting to know if Scott or Gigi or someone else have seen something like this?
Like 3 infections disappearing ALTOGETHER? Not ANY INFECTION, but bart + borrelia + babesia altogether??? I mean, the bart and borrelia were here with me since 2005!!!!
Nope, it looks too good to be true. I'm still in a dream feeling.
Tell me I'm crazy or that my muscles are making jokes on me? Selma
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Hi Selma,
I look forward to hearing what GiGi and Scott say.
What I hear is that today you are symptom free, and today your body is well and happy! You have been listenig so well to your body, and it is working!
I am so glad to hear that you are well today! I hope your testing keeps coming through so positively, day after day!
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If you feel better, that is the important thing. I have not seen anyone have the exact experience you describe. With ART, my experience has been that if you are on a good treatment program, certain things will not show up but if you stop the program and those things that energetically create destructive interference are removed from the body, the infections, etc. will test positive again. It will be interesting to see how your future ART sessions go as to whether or not the infections show up again. If they don't that would be a nice event!
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I will be praying Lyme and co-infections are truly gone. Just not to herx is wonderful. YEAH! Hiker
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Scott, Hiker and Bejoy, thanks for your answers.
I'm still testing positive for lyme, bart and babesia herb killers, so I'm sure they're still around, but as I said, today again, pathogens are not testing!
I won't stop treatment, but everyday the amounts of what I test good falls down, and/ or I drop a herb/ supplement or so.
I still notice either herxes or stray metals today though (I'm on metal detox again...). Not strong at all, but visible.
I started ingesting that mix of oils, that I still I don't know what it is!! It tests better than Cilantro ticnture and NDF-plus!!! NDF-plus finally started testing 'no' for the first time in a year (or more)!!
What I'm surprised is the fall down of herxes, neurotoxins, whatever SO SUDDEN. It's like you switch a button 'on' and 'off'.(?!!!)
This is what's crazy, that I never experienced before so drastically! That makes me think that very few critters can make SO MANY NEUROTOXINS to the point of letting us so sick!?
Thanks again! I hope Gigi will drop one of these days here!
Selma
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Hardy, Congratulations on your good health. I've been so impressed with your diligence and hard work.
When you muscle test on yourself, do you do the method using thumb and baby finger on your less dominant hand, and the thumb and pointer on dominant hand? And then you ask questions that can only have a yes or no answer?
Thanks again for all your information.
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first, let me say....that is amazing!!! I am so happy for these results!
second...I am so interested in this. could you either post it, or pm me.... how you do this. You were saying that you tested weak in brain and belly.... how do you test certain areas of the body? I had muscle testing done using my arm, where the practicioner would pull on my arm, I was laying down, and I would try to resist the pull.... for things that tested, I believe positive, I could NOT hold my arm up, it just simply went down.
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Selma, You are well when you are symptom-free. You are micro-diagnosing and that is not a good thing unless you really, really are trained in ART if that is the method you are using. I am referring to your first post above.
I don't know how you muscle test yourself - which method? Even the pendulum does not work if you have blocked regulation, which is a more permanent state with most ill people. But I want to tell you that you may be fooling yourself. Reason: your emotions and your mental field get in the way of sound muscle testing. It is not easy not to anticipate or want a desired reaction. It is difficult to remain totally neutral. It is difficult to be precise. We don't like feeling weak and recruiting other muscles to help is hard to avoid. It is difficult to be centered. Same for being tested by a close partner. Are you trained in ART? Why try to base your expectations and decisionmaking process on something that is not conclusive and most likely incomplete and/or incorrect.
I doubt very much that you know the intricacies of ART to rely on the results. It takes training, lots of it, under guidance by an expert. What you are apparently doing, unless I am missing something, is one of the reasons that gives muscle testing a tainted name. And it is not a good idea to diagnose yourself.
Why not appreciate where you are and cherish it. These relapse worries and threats that we read about here are senseless and useless. If people don't address all the problems that are part or the cause of Lyme, that's a different story. But you have done a lot. Why micro-diagnose -- enjoy your daughter and your husband. You have hurt and worried long enough - now it's time to enjoy the beginning of a new life!
Take care.
P.S. Are metals gone - is Lyme gone? The symptoms any of these cause are alike across the board. So it is not possible to tell. I often asked Dr. K. - is this metal-caused or is this Lyme? His answer always was: "G, I don't know". Neurological symptoms are neurological symptoms, whether caused by any of the microorganisms or heavy metals. They feel the same. If you want to get rid of symptoms, you have to address all.
You mentioned: The toxins released from root canals are thioethers and mercaptans that destroy the metabolic/detox enzymes the body needs. Body can't detox.. It normally take quite a while, like a few months or longer, to be eliminated from the body, if lucky.
They are not ART tested with a metal or metal mobilizer, but with the actual homeopathic from the toxin in different strength. Of course there are also the mercury lakes at the root of the teeth. Usually from old mercury filling. But the thioethers produced by root canaled teeth is by far the worst manmade toxin in the world.
For others interested in kinesiology, please leave it to the expert - to the trained kinesiologist - don't try to diagnose and treat yourself. ``Department Store Muscle Testing'' -`` is this good for me''? , is what Dr. K. calls it - rightly so. Because it simply does not work this way. It takes months of training and practice and it takes some form of medical understanding to put it all together for good results.
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After working closely with a very accomplished muscle tester for two years, I can give this bit of advice:
Things that mucle test as "gone from the body" can still be hanging out in your various evergy fields at different levels and distances from the body. I would be conservative, continue treatment and explore this concept for awhile.
Congrats on feeling so well, and getting yourself there!
Best,
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Glad you are better!!
Gigi is right, there are many pitfalls in testing yourself no matter what form of muscle testing you use and especially when asking questions that are emotionally loaded such as you have done. I would not trust the results or make big decisions based on them.
I was trained by an herbalist who uses CRA (Contac Reflex Analysis) developed by a doctor, but not Dr. K.
I don't know about ART as far as testing oneself but I feel comfortable testing myself using CRA(when I'm not blocked) however there are certain things that I don't test for because they are too emotional and I can't trust the answer.
I am interested in ART and plan to look into it at some point but it is only one of many methods of muscle testing.
Based on my experiences over many years, self testing is far from worthless however in order to get well with this very complicated illness, it will take a lot of knowledge besides an ability to accurately muscle test so in my opinion it is most helpful if you can also be tested by someone who is knowledgable with this particular illness and good with muscle testing.
Terry
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hardynaka
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Thanks everybody for your answers. I don't have time today for anwering, I'll get back to you all soon.
It's my doctor who only does ART that encourages me somehow to continue on my tests. Everything I test good for me alone at home is always confirmed by BOTH ART practioners, that's why I STARTED to be more confident to shape my herbs the way I did (amounts etc).
This is not ART, I guess, it's just muscle test.
Gigi is right, pendulum nor muscle tests work while we're blocked. It happened to me A LOT during the first weeks of re-infection. Before re-infection, even BEFORE I took my teeth out, I was not being blocked anymore (acc. to S.). She considered me not 'cured' but as 'back to life' (before reinfection, of course).
She didn't find mercaptans even while my canal roots were there. My body was detoxifying slowly. She found thioethers in my kidneys though, but last time, she said nothing about that. Just 'sh..., borrelia/bart and babesia are blocking you again!" That was true, I couldn't get any answers back home for many many days.
I only do these tests while unblocked. Mental field is dangerously tricky, I know, but I've never 'foolished' myself before saying I was lyme free. It never happened before, borrelia and bart ALWAYS CAME positive, no matter when I asked. Always.
Now I decided to ask 'is babesia hiding?'. I got a yes. Is bart hiding? I got no. Is borrelia hiding? I got yes.
I'm herxing still, I think. Not really sure as Gigi says, difficult to know what are metals what are herxes from die off. But I still think I got pathogens. I was so sick not so long ago, so it just can't be true.
I'm still testing postitive for many babesia killers and for lyme cyst busters, so there's something 'strange' in all this.
I'll get to your posts after, sorry, today I have a mess here at home to solve!
Thanks anyway, Selma
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Gigi,
I'd just like to add that no one is medicating me. NO ONE.
When I go see both practioners, I take what I'm taking for them to test. They test, they say: "go on". Nothing that I take blocks me. Nothing. Just magnesium, and other minerals like selenium, zink, sometimes they test as 'not needing today', but they tell me: 'don't leave them, you may need them later, just today, you're body is not asking for them'. Exactly like I take these, day on/ day off, OR as my body tests, sometimes lots in a day!
So ALL MY LYME KILLERS, immunomodulators, cleansers, all of them, I am my own practioner THIS TIME. Of course I'm not new in lyme nor on these herbs. Of course in the past, my practioners have helped me on all these, specially cleansers and organ support stuff (thyroid, for example).
But in THIS RE-INFECTION, nope, no one helped me to build my killing / cleasing/ immunomodulation protocol. And I'm taking more than 30 different herbs/ supplements A DAY. Plus homeopathics. I think once I counted, it was about 42 different things.
S. helped me with 3 things: a probiotic product, a gallbladder mix of herbs and mucuna bean, so ON ORGAN support basically (or a bit cleansing with the mucuna bean), on products I never took before. The rest she said: 'go on as you are doing'.
So I'm not doing that bad! And I consider I'm not doing that totally alone, when it's backed up by 2 practioners!!
You're right though that I shouldn't trust this pathogen hide/seek game. Candida support stuff only stopped to test NOW, MANY weeks after I don't find 'candida' in my tests.
Mycoplasma herbs stopped to test a week ago or so, a few weeks (1-2?) after I don't find myco in my tests.
I still test positve for babesia and borrelia killers, I still herx a bit, so I'm following that. I know I still have them, at least these 2 pathogens.
I'm NOT doing ART. This, I leave for my wonderful practioners. I'm doing muscle tests, basically measuring herbs/ supps for me. I won't stop doing that, unless I'm blocked. It saves me time and money as I only take what I need and drop what I don't.
I do shopping with muscle tests, I see if I'm allergic (or my daughter) to products, etc. It's a tool that I learned that I know I will use forever.
It was with my muscle test that I discover there was still a problem in my bedroom, even though I cut the circuit breaker at night. You know what was it? My OWN BED.
My bed is made of metal. It was BLOCKING ME, like EMFs were blocking me. I discovered that with muscle test. Everytime I approached my bed, my regulation blocked. I went out, and asked 'does my bed block me?' Yes!!!
Of course the idea would be to pay someone to do it all the time, a professional to come and check my house. I just don't have the finances for that at the moment. And hubby is a total unbeliever on EMF or metals making me sick. I'm still spending tons on my mouth.
I'm not saying these tests are for everyone. I'm not saying I'm going to stop seeing my 2 ART practioners. Nope!! I'm just saying this thing is helping me a lot on many many 'small' things.
I think even my plants are thanking me and I think I'll have strawberries again because of muscle tests (because I discovered that certain ants hate cinnamom, these ants resisted MANY other natural products I tried, but went away with cinammon that tested bad for them!!).
I see it like a game, at least in my garden!
I'm sure I have to continue my treatment for longer, no I'm not lyme free! I'm still herxing.
I'm using just 2 main fingers (pointer and thumb) from both hands but there are many ways to do it. I just find it works for me well (my daughter who's 3 is copying me, and it's so funny...).
I think you'll have to google kinesiology. I posted one site in Buhner's forum (someone here sent the link to me), but I never read it before I started on that.
Pendulum and muscle tests are not the same according to dr. K. Muscle test is just a physiological reaction. Pendulum isn't, but as Gigi said, both need your body to be with open regulation to work. Very sick people can't do that.
Anyway, never do that all by yourself, or you'll have no way to know if you're doing right or wrong!
And muscle tests only will not heal you from a defectuous ANS! Then, not probably from your lyme disease (as the ANS needs to be working well to have lyme under control). I'm doing that as part of my treatment, not whole.
Selma
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Selma,
"I'm using just 2 main fingers (pointer and thumb) from both hands but there are many ways to do it. I just find it works for me well (my daughter who's 3 is copying me, and it's so funny...)."
Please send me the link for this. I see Dr. LC doing a similar form and have never seen it anywhere else. If it's O-ring testing (Omura), then I am lost, because I can't seem to control my short stubby fingers doing that. So please send me link.
I am very happy to have more detail on how and what you do. I have got to learn the cinnamon-strawberry bit, and apply it to my tomatoes!
Keep going and now I understand "your method". In fact, it is almost identical to how we handle the daily life. Our sixteen year old standard poodle survived being run over by a car, was treated with Neural Therapy and is still very much alive jumping up and down. I have seen dogs and birds treated! A race horse who had stopped running, started to race again!
Every biological system is organized in the same way! Rupert Sheldrake wrote a nice book "The Sense of Being Stared at" - I love his dog stories.
Have a nice day.
Take care.
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So glad to hear that you are recovering so quickly from your recent tick bite. It really shows how important it is to act quickly, with a strong arsenal. And maybe frequent dosing is key?
I was surprised that you tested for intestinal candida so soon after the tick bite. I guess I thought that was something that took awhile to develop. I didn't know it was considered a co-infection.
I have been experimenting with metal detoxes now for a month or two, and I think I feel similar symptoms... Well, maybe not the jelly feeling, but the jitteryness and then the calm with chlorella. I hope I am getting somewhere with it. I was exposed to some metals as an infant (very strange story).
Though I am not close to being done, I have to say that my allergies have greatly improved as well. I have been able to eat goat cheese in small amounts. And just recently, I had 1/2 of an apple empanada (South American pastry made of wheat). No reaction so far!! I never thought I would be able to eat wheat again!
I think I would probably be cautious though, too, and continue tx for awhile longer. It would be a shame to lose all of the progress you have made by stopping too soon.
Thanks for sharing your progress. Very encouraging!
Claire
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Wow, Selma, it sounds like you are doing an excellent job utilizing all that you have learned about this!
And as you have explained so well, one of the most important aspects of self-testing is knowing when NOT to test yourself, and understanding WHY problems and blockages can arise.
You have also demonstrated another important aspect of self-testing, which is to check the accuracy of your results. You do this often - by confirming your own findings with your ART practitioners.
Thanks so much for sharing some of your experience and knowledge about this. I am definitely interested in learning more!
Tracy
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I didn't read it all, and I haven't read this when I started doing these muscle tests.
What he describes is the same "principle": one hand keep pressure constant (like clothes peg), the other tries to open the peg.
I use thumb and pointer finger from both hands and I use the tip of the fingers only, my right hand (thumb + pointer) tries to open the 'peg' made by my left hand.
It's somehow developed from the O-Ring, that's where I inspired. But O-ring needs two people... My husband is a no-believer, so I can't ask him. He's very bad to do me arm pulling even! That's why I kept trying many things to find something that works 'solo'!
I started doing with other fingers, but dropped them when I read that some fingers carry "meaning" deep inside us (ex: "switching theory" with smallest finger).
The difference with this website description and my tests, is that I don't place my fingers inside the 'circle', but place them inside the 'tip' of the 'peg'! But the principle is the same as described in the website.
TOMATOES, at least my YELLOW tomatoes HATE CINNAMON, for whatever reason. I put a bit and asked it, it gave me a strong NO, while strawberries got no problem.
Maybe RED tomatoes are different? Have you tried baking powder first? I get rid of quite some species of small/middle size ants with it, if not I buy special products in shops. But I had a persistent infestation with another type of ant that bites and are sort of yellowish. Very agressive ones. They love strawberries, and no natural product worked with them! But now they seem to have gone!
To test plants and animals like ants, I need to touch them or I get no answer. Just being close is not enough. First question I do is: 'am I able to I ask this question?' And always do the 'counter question', to get a negative response, just to re-check.
Because many times a 'negative' response means simply that my test doesn't work! It doesn't mean a negative!
I put the ants in glasses, because plastic bottles or metalic bottles usually don't work (we can't 'read' through them).
I also think animals do react well to this type of tests.
I'm treating my cat only with muscle tests too. He's the one who was bitten by more than 200 ticks ONLY THIS YEAR. He doesn't catch borreliosis, but he seems to have caught mycoplasma. He's got persistent cough since I knew him many years ago, I wonder if it's not from myco?
I measure all homeopathics for him through muscle tests, and now he seems to be rid of intestinal parasites (that 2 pharmacy drugs didn't help), it seems, at least, as he's got no more diarrhea and no more visible critters in stools.
And I test tick repellents on him (ingested stuff), now he's coming ONLY with about 1, maximum 3 ticks a week (before, was about 30-80 ticks A WEEK).
Guess what works best? Borrelia nosodes LM6, about 7 globulis a week on his food. My doctor recommends as a tick repellent, it tests very good for people too (my whole family is on it!). It wont' work if we eat something 10 minutes before OR after though.
All the ticks I catch on him now seem to be borrelia free! They're different types of ticks that usually bit him before these nosodes, and certainly NOT the ones that infected me and my daughter (they're round and dark black, while the ones that infected us have brown tonalities with some drawings sometimes, and are flat/ oval).
Ledum and Hypericum homeopathic seem to be working well to him. He's more relaxed, his fur is shining, no visible coughs anymore, so I guess, something IS working.
Don't annoy your tomatoes with cinnamon! Ask them first!
Selma
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Hi Claire, frequent dosing I don't know... I take most herbs maximum 3 times a day only. But as I take LOADS of different stuff, it occupies quite some of my time as they dont' test good to be taken all at once. I take them in 'groups', following muscle tests, sometimes spaced of 1 hour, usually few minutes in between each.
I would say, taking lots of different herbs always helped me. I never test good in high amounts for any herb, always very low amounts of each herb. But in combination, they seem to be much more powerful as alone. That's how I feel.
And after doing these tests, I realize that the amount of each thing vary almost every day. I see the rise and fall of need of herbs. Like andrographis, in the beginning, I tested no, then I tested for about 3-4 a day, then slowly decreased until 1 a day, now I don't test anymore again.
Same for bee pollen, propolis, pau d'arco, sarsaparilla, astragalus, forsythia, artemisinin, artemisia annua, etc etc. It's like in waves, up and down. Some herbs are more constant though (like cats claw, Japanese knotweed, chlorella, bear garlic, milk thistle), they always test for me. Others, middle term, like gervao (rain tree), phellodendron, gardenia, frozen garlic, somewhat constant, but they can go. Probiotics and enzymes simply don't test anymore, while magnesium, always test!
I had read before someone suggesting candida could be also tick born (in the days of brain fog, I suppose, as I don't remmeber where I read that). I just asked about my candida and the answer is always YES, it came not as a result from doxy, but it came immediately after tick bite.
I ask in my homeopathic tick soup made from the tick that bit me: "is there candida here?" Answer is yes. So I guess, yes, as much as I can trust these muscle test story. I don't take it as 100% sure though, but I'm just testing to learn ...
What I took in frequent doses were cleansers as herxes were horrible. I needed a cocktail of cleansers from about 10AM to 3PM almost every hour, with chlorella + bear garlic + MSM minimum, sometimes other things were also testing (like chitosan, destroxin, alpha lipoic acid, mucuna bean powder), but the main 3 things were these 3 up. With Japanese knotweed decoction, I forgot, this always tests good as chlorella tests!
Now I don't test for MSM (only rarely), but still chlorella + bear garlic + knotweed come ALWAYS (only about 3 times a day now).
Glad you feel the chlorella effect! I would then try to take chlorella 'before' jitterness comes, it will make the metal cleansing easier. I'm taking it now in powder, I need less grams in powder than in pill form.
I guess that these metals do cause us allergies of all sorts. During my worst herxes in this new reinfection, I was getting new allergies very fast, to things I never reacted before (soy, corn, for example)!! Now they're gone, as fast as they came, fortunately. I don't know if they were caused by biotoxins or from released metals or both...
I know what empanadas are!!
I'm not consuming loads of wheat as my body says 'no' to big amounts. Just about once a week, or small amounts here and there. But I'm glad I can socialize again (not decline an invitation because of wheat!).
I'm still herxing, so I'm NOT free of lyme. My tests just can't find the infections anymore, but they're here, even though my symptoms are light herxes only!
Glad to hear some improvements from you, Claire!
And TRACY! I'm testing loads of homeopathics, amazing to see Ledum and Hypericum are always with me, but they test in different potencies!
And not too often, I mean, the dose is spaced in days (about 3 days), hypericum and ledum never test good to be taken in the same day (for me). And now Ledum is testing to get babesia (?) which never happened before in my previous tests... Weird... That's why I say, I'm just learning.
If I get rid of this re-infection though, I will start trusting more these self-tests. So far, I'm more on experimentation! And as you say, I'm not TOTALLY alone, as I get some feedback from my practioners. In fact, it's my doctor who encourages me to keep on going.
One thing that seems to be true, once the pathogens stop testing, they're still with us, but possibly in lower counts!!! Like Andrew said!
Gotta go to bed! Good night!
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I am NOT lyme free. Today I "found" them back again, borrelia in my brain, babesia in my GI tract. And I was still having mild herxes all the way, so they were here all along, but somehow 'hidden' from my 'tests'.
But bartonela so far, not a sign of it anymore.
I felt bart was a tough one to get rid of, at least, that was my feeling as I kept on months and months with bart treatment and no improvments before reinfection.
As I have no more visible symptoms (except for light herxes that go after chlorella/ cleansers), it's difficult to track improvements....
I'll keep posting, and if I don't find bart anymore in the next weeks, I'll post my bart herbal protocol in Buhner's forum (as I did for mycoplasma and candida, that so far didn't come back).
If these herbs worked for bart, these are good news as I had cronic bartonella (since 2005), while candida and mycoplasma were 'only' acute infections from recent tick bite.
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Gigi, thank you soooo much for your ART advice. I've been lucky enough to work with someone in Washington DC, but I've since moved to Philadelphia, PA. I've learned that I have an extremely hard time muscle testing myself, so I've left it up to the experts. But, it's really hard to find ART people here on the East Coast. I had a great one but have yet to find someone in the Philly area. It does make an amazing difference because you KNOW what will work for you instead of all the guessing games. Thank you so much for your knowledge and insight.
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MaryOh, after being shot at, hissed at, sort of made to feel like a dartboard, I really do appreciate your kind words. Thank you.
Take care.
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An update, my bartonella seems to be gone for good. No idea if it will surface again one day when other pathogens finally disappear though ...
But babesia is still around (it keeps testing and not testing).
I'm practically not herxing anymore and my energy levels are mostly very good for the last weeks. I've done some physical work on house restoration, sleeping few hours a day, eating pizza, noodles etc... I guess that's part of the reason my babesia surfaced again today.
I published my bartonella protocol in Buhner's site some time ago for the ones interested in herbal approaches.
It seems mycoplasma is definitively gone too. I'll go to see my practioners some time soon and will see what they say.
I was symptom free except for small herxes, but today in the morning got a bit of brain fog and babesia re-tested... I'm back to babesia killers, like amargo, garlic, pc-noni. Ledum homeopathic started re-testing today.
I just found out that kardamon seems to help babesia, not in killing it directly but in helping the immune system to fight babesia. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but I'll certainly take my kardamon powder to test next time (doctor and/or naturopath). My dosage is 1/2 teaspoon - 2/3 teaspoon a day (divided in 2 doses).
My practioners usually back my guess when the plant tests 'very good' as it's the case of kardamon. It's an unexpensive thing and very tasty in my opinion. Great to take with tea!
Most of my strawberry plants are now in flower again and some already with small strawberries! I just came back from vacations and was surprised!!!
3 aren't in flowers and I 'asked' them again, I got as answer: "lack of good nutrients". No more yellow/ light brown ants in the ports, so the cinammon DID work as repellent!!! I gotta find now what nutrients these 3 plants want...
I'm REALLY having fun with muscle testing my plants! I'm still in an experimental phase, but if I get many positive results like the strawberry example, I'll start believing plants can talk! It sounds crazy, I know...
Selma
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Welcome to the nutty club! I really used to hug my five foot diameter cedar tree in our front yard! It really felt wonderful when I was sick.
Take care and say hi to the strawberries for me. Yes, the cardamon is wonderful -- I use it in my Christmas cookies. So get ready and bake a few - they are good all year round.
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Hubby thinks I AM getting nuts. I'm excusing to plants when I trimm them as they DO get upset if I don't!!! I mean, if I trimm and don't say 'excuse me' or explain why I trimm them, that I don't want to harm them etc.
I just do it silently though, touching the leaves, like ART !! They change from upset to happy very fast if I do it.
I AM getting nuts, I think!
I got some dried excrements from horses and added to my strawberries (there were only the 3 that wanted it, the rest were happy), it seems they enjoyed it. Let's see what will happen in a few weeks.
I've been changing earth types, changing pots sizes, changing places from plants, giving more water or less, trimming roots, etc to many plants according to my questions to each of them, I let them choose!
I'm not sure what will happen, but I AM having fun.
I do see my garden in a different perspective!
I'm glad I'm not alone in my madness, Gigi!
Yes, I always looked at flowers we collected, me and daughter and I always felt they helped me to calm down, soothing effects. Now I guess I start to know why? They're real entities, real beings.
I was using cardamon sometimes before, but I didn't know it could have medicinal properties.
It does taste good! Selma
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From Wikipedia: Cardamon:
In traditional medicine
Cardamom fruit and seeds: In South Asia, green cardamom called "Elaichi", in Hindi and Urdu, is broadly used to treat infections in teeth and gums, to prevent and treat throat troubles, congestion of the lungs and pulmonary tuberculosis, inflammation of eyelids and also digestive disorders. It is also reportedly used as an antidote for both snake and scorpion venom.
Species in the genus Amomum are also used in traditional Indian medicine. Among other species, varieties and cultivars, Amomum villosum is used in traditional Chinese medicine to treat stomach-aches, constipation, dysentery, and other digestion problems. "Tsaoko" cardamom is cultivated in Yunnan, China, both for medicinal purposes and as a spice.
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Just got a pound of Brazilian coffee with Cardamom in it! Am going to have a cup right now with, believe it or not, a good old-fashioned donut! O, there is nothing like some sin-food!
You should see my tomato trees - since I have been talking to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Selma, have fun - tell your husband to humor you -- mine does.
Take care.
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Hi Gigi, I bought more cardamon today too. It IS doing something for my babesia, I'm pretty sure. It has to be taken 2-3 times a day, it clears the light bab's fog I'm getting.
Coffee with cardamon, it does sound yummy!
so you aren't on a wheat free diet either! My wheat free diet finished a few weeks ago too. I don't eat loads of course, but I do eat it again.
Chlorella + bear garlic are not cleaning that fog, so it's babs' related, not herx-related. I'm on the PC-Noni for cysts and cardamon + garlic for active babs, plus Ledum homeopathic sometimes. Let's see what this treatment will give. I'm sure I have only few of it left, but if I stop treatment, babesia will get me back! I'm pretty sure.
My tomato does not look good... I'll talk to it too then!
Is it possible that some plants could be of difficult character like some people are? Like I had to beg to my Peperoni to let me take ONE peperoni from it? The rest, she didn't let me. They were not fully grown though, so I agreed.
I'm glad I know that Buhner talks to plants too. If he wrote all those great books, well, he's not nuts either!
I'm not really talking to plants like him, I'm just muscle testing them and it's me who asks the question. Not a real conversation.
Most plants love goat whey! Funny, isn't it?
Husband is starting to believe me, I think, because he now allows me to do "color therapy" (psychokinesiology) on him for minor problems like tummy ache, difficult sleep patterns, anxiety etc. He's one of my guinea pigs. A good one, because he's a non-believer!
I 'talk' to his body as I 'talk' to plants, exactly the same way, I don't pull his arms, I just touch him and do my own O-ring. So far so good. He's never blocked, so it's easy.
I just commanded another big set of DVDs from dr.K. One whole course is there, about 15 hours of lectures. I'm glad he speaks slow, I can understand almost everything!
I just saw the INK released a new set Pschycokinesilogy, many hours or courses, probably from last year. Tempting!
Selma
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