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I've been having this really strange symptom that I haven't even asked my LLMD about b/c it's so weird. I don't know if it's bart- or lyme-related.
I'm really curious if others have had it too.
Basically, my skin (everywhere) gets indented very easily.
When I wake up in the morning, I have lines all over my face and body (from sheets and pillow) that don't go away for at least a couple of hours.
This happened before I got sick, but not nearly as severely, and the lines always went away very quickly.
My underwear, socks, and jeans leave deep impressions when I take them off. I was wearing polka dot socks today and my feet are still spotted, two hours later!
Tonight I was sitting cross-legged with tennis shoes and when I got up, my legs had deep bruise-like, painful, purplish designs from the sneakers on them.
Another example: I was carrying a light plastic bag home from the grocery today and it left these painful stripes on my hands-- it was only 10 minutes of carrying.
Strange, eh? I wonder if it means that I have poor circulation. My legs fall asleep all the time if I sit for too long.
I am also having issues with my fingertips turning white and dark purplish/red with bulging blood vessels.
None of this seems to be connected to temperature, though, so I don't think it's Raynaud's.
None of this is particularly bothersome or painful-- just really weird and sometimes embarrassing if it happens to my face.
I'm hoping someone else has experienced this? Is there anything that helps? Posts: 390 | From Oakland, CA | Registered: May 2007
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I noticed especially with my fingers / finger tips. If i open up a bottle of something, the impression lasts on my fingertips longer than it should. Same thing if i'm carrying plastic bags.
I think it was worse for me before abx. It's getting a *little* better, but it still freaks me out!
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"Another example: I was carrying a light plastic bag home from the grocery today and it left these painful stripes on my hands-- it was only 10 minutes of carrying."
When I floss, I can get small open wounds on my fingers. And they stay open for a LONG time.
I know I don't have babs. I hope (and think) I'm rid of the borrelia symptoms, and I still have bartonella.
So I attribute this symptom to bart.
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Something about this makes me think of water or hydration issues. Are you drinking enough water? I have to add some lemon or grapefruit juice (grapefruit is prohibited with certain abx) to help pull the water into the tissues, sometimes.
I think this mostly occurs when my lymphatic system is overloaded, like after a die-off. So movement, dry-brushing etc., even saunas should help, as long as there is adequate water intake, perhaps especially in this case.
Anti-inflammatories seemed to help, too.
Anyway, this may not be relevant at all, but I thought I might mention it.
Claire
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I do the same ... but it's normally if I've eaten something that I now cannot.
It does have to do with hydration issues, but not always due to how much you are drinking ... it may be because of what your insides are doing. And, many different problems can cause it. I have more of a "pitting edema" at times.
Here is what Wikipedia has to say:
Peripheral edema
Edema without a modifier usually refers to peripheral or dependent edema, the accumulation of fluid in the parts of the body that are most affected by gravity. In ambulatory people these are the legs, although in those who are bedbound the first manifestation may be sacral edema. If severe enough, peripheral edema may progress to involve the abdominal or even thoracic wall (this may be referred to as generalized edema or anasarca). In particular edema states (e.g. nephrotic syndrome, see below), periorbital edema (around the eyes) may be present.
Some phenomena may distinguish different causes of peripheral edema. Most peripheral edema is pitting edema - pressing down will lead to a shift in the interstitial fluid and the formation of a small pit that resolves over seconds. Non-pitting edema may reflect lymphedema, a form of edema that develops when the lymph vessels are obstructed, or myxedema, which occurs in Grave's disease.
Causes of peripheral edema are:
* high hydrostatic pressure of the veins, leading to poor reabsorption of fluid o venous obstruction, e.g. deep vein thrombosis (typically one-sided) o congestive heart failure o varicose veins o asymmetric compression of thigh and leg (e.g., knee pads, tight jeans) * low oncotic pressure o cirrhosis o malnutrition o nephrotic syndrome (renal protein loss) o epidemic dropsy * obstruction of lymph drainage o infection o cancer o fibrosis after surgery o filariasis * inflammation (active secretion of fluid into the interstitial space due to increased membrane permeability by inflammatory mediators): o allergic conditions (e.g. angioedema) o any other form of inflammation (tumor - or swelling - is one of the main characteristics of inflammation)
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