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I have Lyme (W/B +, and Elisa -) and I live in the Houston area. I found a Dr. that is somewhat treating me, however she will not give me ABX as my mercury levels are too high. She said that the ABX will not work until the levels are down. I having been doing chelation, but this could take up to a year to rid my body of the mercury according to the Dr. I want to see if anyone agrees with this. I have felt a lot better with chelation treatment. Also, cats claw has been very beneficial.
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I do not understand why you cannot treat with abx and chelate to reduce your mercury levels at the same time?
One year not to treat while you have lyme sounds long to me, but I am no expert on the interaction between our body burden of mercury and concurrent lyme treatment.
Several lymenetters recommend using chlorella to reduce Hg levels. I like the Biopure US chlorella tablets, though they are expensive.
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I am using Detoximn, which is comparable to IV cheleation treatment, but can be ordered on-line and is suppository form. I am very limited as far as treatment as no one here will treat me. This is the only Dr. that is at least trying to do something. I am really stuck.
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I have Lyme (W/B +, and Elisa -) and I live in the Houston area. I found a Dr. that is somewhat treating me, however she will not give me ABX as my mercury levels are too high. She said that the ABX will not work until the levels are down. I having been doing chelation, but this could take up to a year to rid my body of the mercury according to the Dr. I want to see if anyone agrees with this. I have felt a lot better with chelation treatment. Also, cats claw has been very beneficial.
Have you eliminated the SOURCE of the mercury toxicity. I tend to agree -- if you are severely mercury toxic, by adding killing agents, you will only be adding more problems: With the die-off, the mercury will also start circulating and can cause huge crashes -- some people mistake it as a herxheimer.
Detoxamin goes only so far and then you need other agents to detox the metals. It depends where the mercury is stored, intracellularly or in the extracellular spaces. Probably in both.
Detoxing heavy metals can go on for several years - rather than just months. Look into LED - read the article on www.BetterHealthGuy.com. It helps move things along.
Once you ease the load of toxic metals and other toxins, abx and other goodies will work much better. If you do abx now, you add sulfa residuals to the system, and the mercury is even more difficult to get rid of. Really do read that article on Scott's website above. LED was not available when I went through my disease process/cure, but it certainly is now and changes everything in my opinion.
Take care.
P.S. Your name is LED - ?? LED a la Dr. L.C.,where the Samento/Cat's Claw became famous, is a great way to get better.
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Thank you so much for your response. The link is very helpful! I had all my amalgams removed a year ago and started using DMSA last fall. I had a great almost symptom free year! I discontinued the treatment and then crashed again this May. I started Detoxmin in June. It was harsh at first and then I spaced the treatment out longer than suggested. Now I let my body guide me. I will start to feel symptoms, I will do a treatment (feel bad for a day) and then will feel good for about four days. I know that this might take awhile.
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I would find an LLMD. I have to travel to see one ... I fly to NY from Ohio. It's worth it to be seeing someone who knows all about Lyme Disease.
I also take Detoxamin ... but that is for my lead toxicity. It's not as good for mercury as DMSA.
I take my Detoxamin Mon-Thurs evenings, then off it for the weekend. I'm the opposite of you though, I feel better the day after I've taken it, and by the third day off, I'm feeling worse.
Are you taking NAC and Alpha Lipoic Acid with the Detoxamin? You should also be taking something like Chlorella. These will help you eliminate the metals after the chelator pulls them out of the tissue.
Take NAC on an empty stomach, two hours away from anything else. The ALA I take with my other supplements. Chlorella gets taken spaced out like the NAC.
These supplements might help you handle the chelation better.
Be sure you're eating enough protein (meat, eggs, undenatured whey, etc.). You cannot detox metals without protein.
For the Lyme, I would get to an LLMD. I'm treating metals and Lyme together ... but it may be best for you to get rid of the metals first ... I'd want a specialist to make that decision.
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If anyone is contemplating NAC, please read some of my posts. You can also go to www. Klinghardt.org. You can download an interview where NAC is discussed at length. Just don't take NAC on your own unless you know how it works.
The following is based on recordings from a 3-day seminar entitled "The latest Findings and Research in the Field of Chemical and Heavy Metal Detoxification", August 2004. Doctors, dentists, D.O., naturopaths, and other practitioners were present, and were speakers, most of them lyme literate. Some from Korea and other Asian countries. Some from Europe. If they were not lyme literate on the first day of the seminar, they were so at the end of the three days.
I bring this up because it is probably the most important part of heavy metal detox and NAC was brought up many times by the participants, etc.
In brief: Several studies we have show that all the sulfhydril containing amino acid agents can redistribute mercury to other body compartments, and this is what I learned during my own metal clearing:
Following the laws of osmosis : If you have a tiny amount of mercury in the brain -- we separate the body into two parts - 1 - the brain - 2 the rest of the body.
They are separated by the blood brain barrier. If you have a lot of mercury in the lower part of the body, it may cause very few symptoms. If you have a tiny amount of mercury in the brain , it causes a huge amount of pathology.
What happens if you swallow N-acetyl cystine (NAC), it first contacts the gut mucosa which is loaded with mercury. It picks up the mercury there and then it kind of goes through the lymphatic system and the immune system and picks up more mercury in the endothelium; but the brain sends a message that it needs cysteine for functioning; so the cysteine then drags in its tail -- it is used as a shuttling agent -- it drags with it the mercury back into the brain.
There is a certain sequence to detoxing mercury, and I will only elaborate about it to here, to this point - I hate like heck to be told that I am practicing medicine without a license or that the lyme literate medical doctors who taught me should be de-licensed.
So you will have to find the rest of the information needed to do it right from your licensed practitioner. In other words, you detox everything else below first, with the appropriate agents, that do not get into the brain --- so that the only mercury left is the one in the brain, and then use the sulfhydril containing agents. You swallow them, they don't encounter any mercury on the way (unless you have just eaten some fish), and these agents go into the brain or CNS and the first toxic metal they encounter are there; they bind them and take them out -- just by the law of osmosis.
None of the agents (DMPS, DMSA, etc.) that people talk about are bad. They are all great, if given at the right time, in the right sequence, together with the right co-factors and in the absence of things that distrupt the process.
It's complicated and you have to know what you are doing. That's why I have always emphasized to find a doctor who knows how.
Good luck.
Please note that I am not addressing this to anyone in particular. I am addressing this to whoever has an interest in the subject.
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I'm following my LLMD's protocol. He's a well-respected ILADS LLMD.
I simply posted the protocol he has me on along with the Detoxamin. The Detoxamin is not enough on its own to eliminate the metals ... it will mobilize them, but they need to be eliminated, not redistributed. I am thinking it might be the redistribution that is causing problems with the chelation.
I, too, suggested a specialist.
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