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Anybody have any thoughts on this? GNC sells it. I want to use it as an anti-inflamatory and possible natural abx. Not really sick anymore, just read a lot about it and thought it could not hurt for me to take it as a supplement. Is this brand reputable? Ingredients OK? Don't think I need Samento at this point. I'm thinking of this a supplement not as a cure.
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hardynaka
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Congrats on your improvements! If I understood well, you're symptom free?
I can't help you on this brand, as I never used it.
I know the quality varies a lot depending on the source. Why don't you take the rain-tree brand, which is known to be one of the best in strength and they don't kill all the plants to extract it (ecologically-friendly)?
You buy one pound and it'll last ages if you encapsulate yourself!
I've been using this brand for 1 year and a half, not thinking to change.
I hope anyone comes with info about the brand you're asking.
Selma
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I've found the most effective brand of toa-free cat's claw is Prima Una De Gato. We use Allergy Research Groups brand.
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Used Nutra Medix Samento for years but had to start slowly and then come off slowly, because the reactions were the same as antibiotics. Started with one drop twice a day and when felt better went up on the dose.
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quote:Originally posted by hardynaka: Congrats on your improvements! If I understood well, you're symptom free?
I can't help you on this brand, as I never used it.
I know the quality varies a lot depending on the source. Why don't you take the rain-tree brand, which is known to be one of the best in strength and they don't kill all the plants to extract it (ecologically-friendly)?
You buy one pound and it'll last ages if you encapsulate yourself!
I've been using this brand for 1 year and a half, not thinking to change.
I hope anyone comes with info about the brand you're asking.
Selma
Thank you. I have no idea where to buy this stuff. Walgreen's doesn't have it. GNC only has the one brand. I live in Maryland. Looked online, so many different brands - some really expensive, some cheap. I also do not know how to incapsulate myself.
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Mom: None of us knew HOW to encapsulate when we started. It is easy though.
And you save 75 t0 80% over readymades. Otherwise there are much cheaper brands. Problem is when you buy readymades they have fillers, etc., added to adulterate the pure herbs.
I never heard of herbs used as supplements. They are mainly used as the necessary medicine to feel better.
I would stay away from TOA free for sure, IF you don't have symptoms. It is more like an abx than the whole herb. And you lose all the benefits of the whole herb. Not recommended by the main Master herbalists. Read Buhner's book, Healing Lyme. It is relatively inexpensive and has a world of info in it. It will answer ALL your questions about using herbs for Lyme and its co-infections.
Hope this helps. Oh, yes, I have been using WHOLE herb Cat's Claw for almost 21 months now.
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I've been on Prima Una de Gato by Allergy Research for almost 3 years now (along with being off antibiotics). I'm on the side of the fence that says TOA free is an important distinction.
From the Manufacturer:
Prima U�a de Gato is a standardized whole herb, manufactured using a proprietary process that does not involve the use of solvents.
Regular cat's claw contains both tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids and pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids, whereas Prima U�a de Gato is standardized to 0.5% pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids (POAs), and is 100% free of tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs).
Why is this distinction important? Regular cat's claw typically has a total alkaloid content of 3.0%, with up to 20-25% of that alkaloid content in the form of TOAs. Prima U�a de Gato extract, standardized to a minimum of 0.5% POA, is free of TOA.
The POA content of Prima U�a de Gato is much more effective, because immune enhancement is diminished when the two chemotypes are mixed.
TOAs are chemical antagonists that act upon the central nervous system and can greatly inhibit the positive effect of the POAs. POAs primarily affect the immune cells responsible for nonspecific and cellular immunity, and demonstrate powerful immune system modu-lating properties.
In short, Prima U�a de Gato, containing only POAs, may have more benefit for immune enhancement than a standard cat's claw containing both pentacyclic and tetracyclic alkaloids.
Vitacost sells it at a reasonable price. This is not something you would find at your neighborhood pharmacy.
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Sweetpea,
Rain-tree brand is used by many, do a search here. Very unexpensive, ecologically friendly.
You buy through the internet, go to the rain-tree site, buy it in powder, no fillers, pure herb.
Then go to Wonderlabs (if I'm not mistaken), and buy your 14 dollar capsule machine and the empty capsules. Easy to do, anyone can do it. You can do a search here, maybe others have other suggestions where to buy it.
If you buy just one pound of the herb, it'll last ages if you're on maintenance protocol. I bought 2 pounds and they lasted about a year and a half (I still got some).
I used both toa-free and whole cats claw. For me, whole cats claw is better for long term use (and cheaper). Sometimes I feel good on the toa-free tinctures, but for me, whole cats claw was the best thing I took since start.
Build up slow as it can have side effects.
Selma
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Do you use the 00 capsules and if so what is the .mg per capsule using the cat's claw powder?
thanks!
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dch: I have used both "0" and "00" size capsules. Right now I am using the "0" size, but have 2,000 empty "00" size waiting in the wings for me to finish up the smaller size right now.
I find that 4 of the "0" size equal about 3 of the "00" size capsules.
I wouldn't worry TOO much on what the mg's are. It will depend on how tight you pack them. Buhner recommends the "00" size, so you may want to go with that, especially if you don't take the time to really tamp them very well.
I would be just starting to use Cat's Claw. In yer opinion How many 00 capsule would be a good start to take a day?
thanks!
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quote:Originally posted by dch1112: Thanks Jim,
I would be just starting to use Cat's Claw. In yer opinion How many 00 capsule would be a good start to take a day?
thanks!
Hi: I would start out REAL SLOW in the beginning with any herb, until you find out what YOUR system will handle. Remember we are ALL different. I could not take near as much as Buhner recommends at first. And I never got up to his 4 pills, 4 times a day, because I had stomach issues and had to take ALL my herbs WITH my meals. And I did not want to eat 4 meals a day. I normally only eat 2 meals a day, so going to 3 meals made me gain weight.
I would start out with just ONE pill a day for a few days and see IF you can handle it without herxing any big amount. IF you can step it up to two a day, then three a day, etc.. If you are doing well at three a day, do that for a week. Then try 6 a day. That would be 2 pills, three times a day. Do that for a week, also, then IF you are handling that okay, go up to the 9 a day, then 12 a day. If you are handling 12 a day, 4 pills, three times a day, and WANT to go more, then just add another time of taking them so you are up to 16 a day.
I have only heard of one person go more than that in a day. I don't think I would. I would and do, add other herbs. I personally don't think Cat's Claw is so great that you don't need a whole bunch of other herbs, such as what Buhner recommends for treatment of Lyme D..
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My lyme came back after being off abx for several years. Previous been on abx for ten years straight. we moved to SC from NJ and I think the stress trigged all those lyme symptoms. I moved back to NJ since the sale of our house fell through and i couldn't find a lyme doc down south. anyway my lyme doc in NJ started me on Prima Una de Gato from Allergy Research group. she said to start slow one pill a day for first week and 2 a day after that. I think it is helping but my sense of taste is off. My muscle pain in my legs went away but still having nero symptoms. I only been on one month. Also, she has me taking NanoTek three x a day. going back to see lyme doctor next week. Also, on diflucan for yeast. I am not on abx. Positive lyme test just came back from Igenex.
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