randibear
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i have started the susan ambrosino lyme protocol. it consists of taking six capsules a day.
the capsules have everything in the sun in them --
cat's claw andrographis japanese knotweed teasel root nac taurine l-arginine quercetin eleuthero milk thistle sacred bark san qi artemesia vitamin c and ginger root
my question is: if you are taking an herbal protocol, do you still need probiotics?
i am still taking theralac every day plus a ton of vitamins.
if you look up her site, there's a lot of stuff on lyme on it.
plus i like the fact that everything is in one capsule and you take six per day.
i am starting out slow at one capsule per day because i react so strongly to everything.
also, it's not expensive. it costs about 150 for, i think, it's a three month supply.
i'll keep you posted on how i'm doing. also, if anyone else is doing this protocol, i sure would like to hear from you.
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Itsy_bitsyone
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Randi,
While I have never been on that exact coctail, I have been on some of them and the aminos...and other herbal, amino and vit/mineral stuff.
My mom used to look at all my supplements lined up and say.."My gosh...you don't even need to eat FOOD!"
Right now I have some "greens powder" cr@p that tastes like elderberry poop that I hate, too.
However, I have never had a greater improvement in overall gastro and female heatlth as I have been since I started taking the 10 billion bacteria-in-a-pill. Personally, now that I have had a super probiotic, I wouldn't give it up if I was on a full herbal coctail!
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randibear
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nancy, what is the name of what you're taking? cost?
thanks.
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Itsy_bitsyone
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The Greens Formula is from Integrative Theraputics Inc (I have no financial interest in this company...or any other for that matter).
It has barley and alfalfa and radish and wheat and oats and veggies like brocoli and collard greens and spinach and a bunch of other stuff like green tea, alge and seaweed. You mix it in a drink. Its awful but quite good for you and digestion (unless you are wheat grass allergic). Its elderberry flavored. I would rather it just taste like grass and dirt to be honest. It has stevia in it...which seems to sweeten it in kinda a gross way. Ah, they things we will do to resolve tunny trouble. I use less than the recommanded dosage, but it does seem to help.
My probiotics are from GNC. Its their Super Probiotic with Bifobacterium. 10 billion little bugs in a pill. Good stuff!
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hardynaka
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RAndibear. The question is, do you have GI candida?
I didn't have it during almost all my lyme treatment with herbs. I only took very little antibiotics and never developed GI candida with the SAME herbs you're taking (I dont know the chinese san-qi, but the rest, I think I was on all for more than a year). I'm still on some.
No problem to develop candida in that combo, in my experience. Buhner said that he never heard anyone developing the problem of candida that people on long term abx do.
So for me, I rarely took probiotics and improved anyway. My GI tract worked very well for months and months without probiotics.
Only this last May,I was re-infected by a tick, took 2 weeks doxy and developed GI candida. I don't know if from the tick bite or from the abx. It took probiotics a few weeks to get it down. During candida infection, it's always good to take probiotics.
Without candida, I dont' think we need it often (I take it once a month sometimes, when I remember).
Selma
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quote:Originally posted by randibear: i have started the susan ambrosino lyme protocol. it consists of taking six capsules a day.
Randi, I am also seriously considering this protocol- probably the version she offers that includes the Cumanda and Samentol. Really, really intereted in what you think as I am about to finish abx and want to switch to all herbal (I'm already on Samento and Arteminisin. Thanks! Val
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Although, I think that I'm probably many months away from finishing ABX treatment, I am really, really interested in either Buhner's or your protocol as both an adjunct and after my ABX treatment.
For what it's worth, the owner of the health food store that I go to thinks that many, many problems relate back to having a bad gut. He recommends probiotics for a lot of people. I have not done the research to see what, if any benefits are derived if you're not taking them to protect against the ABX issues, but as another said, what the heck, they can't hurt....
BT
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Itsy_bitsyone
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You asked me about cost, and I didn't even notice. Sorry.
The probiotics I bought cost me like $40 for thirty days...I know, steep. But they are the good ones that have to be refridgerated and have guaranteed delivery.
The greenie meanie stuff was expensive...like $60 for the container...but it is HUGE and will likely last me a decade.
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map1131
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I haven't taken abx in over 4 years. During that time I did take acidapholus (sp) daily in large amounts.
Eight months ago I started having constipation problems. Tried many different rememdies and nothing helped until 2 months ago I started doing expensive probiotics, double the recommended dose.
I figured with all the extra bad bacteria that we all seem to have in our guts....millions of extra good bacteria should be a good thing.
It has been for me.
Pam
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hardynaka
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Yes, I guess it depends on your GI tract symptoms.
As good quality stuff cost a lot, I always 'test' these (kinesiology). They tested excellent while I had candida (so did my daughter) but stopped testing when GI candida disappeared.
I still have a very expensive bottle with liquid probiotics (about 45 euro), Theralac, and other probiotics in my refrigerator. I will throw them away when validity expires!
My intestines work perfectly, I don't want to mess adding more stuff while I don't feel I need. I eat bacteries in food (fresh cheese and wine basically), so I guess I don't need the extra stuff...
If you feel your GI tract doesn't work well, and you have the budget, why not? But cheap things usually don't work.
In my kinesiological tests, what was always best was a mix of different brands: a bit of Theralac, a bit of other refrigerated brands plus liquid probiotics with vitamins.
Enzymes test for longer than only probiotic powders.
If I took Theralac one day, it wouldn't test next day, and so on. The body needs variation. I even mixed 4 different brands for my daughter for a few days! A bit of each.
To my surprise, the only cheaper brand that tested sometimes was NSI. But again, if I took one day, next day it wouldn't test anymore.
Selma
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A cheaper version of probiotics is to make your own kefir. I've been kefir making now for about two months. It's not complicated at all. I can tell that it's alive and don't have to worry that I just paid $40 for dead bacteria. Kefir has about 15 strains of healthy bacteria.
I'm happy to pass on my grains to anyone in the San Diego area. Someone from the roadback site was nice enough to pass her grains on to me and I like to keep the gift going. I haven't figured out how to package and ensure safe arrival through mail yet.
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quote:Originally posted by hardynaka: Yes, I guess it depends on your GI tract symptoms.
My intestines work perfectly, I don't want to mess adding more stuff while I don't feel I need. I eat bacteries in food (fresh cheese and wine basically), so I guess I don't need the extra stuff...
To my surprise, the only cheaper brand that tested sometimes was NSI. But again, if I took one day, next day it wouldn't test anymore.
Selma
I have always hesitated to take probiotics regularly because the only thing that the Lyme HASN'T broken is my gut. I never have any problems except when I am on abx when I get heartburn and intestinal gas, and then I DO take probiotics. I use the refrigerated ones, but have taken PB8 in the past with success. Haven't tried NSI's, but I have found a lot of their products to be good- prices I can afford, often for copies of more expensive name brands, and my LLMD has muscle tested all of them with me, and all have been good.
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