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Lots of talk about this on Lymestrategies and other sites. Wondering if anyone has used it.
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I have heard some good reports from a practitioner locally that is starting to use it. I have not tried it myself yet but it is hoped that it may help with Babesia.
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Jim Humble who wrote the book you download from www.miraclemineral.org doesn't seem to be making any money from it. He sent me his second book for free when I asked for it. He does even sell the sodium chlorite. From what I have read it seems it works on malaria, so it might be good for babesia. He is testing it on Lyme patients and told me it might take a year or so to get cured and to ramp up slowly, but he doesn't guarentee a cure for Lyme anywhere in his literature. But what other cure gets you well quickly? Anyway, I don't think he is trying to con anyone and I am willing to try it if I can work it in around teaching (don't want to get sick at school!). Hiker
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I am hearing about several people starting to take it. Will be interesting to hear there experiences.
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I read the first half (free). Strange book. Since he used the word "amongst" I will say whoever wrote it learned British English. Perhaps from one of the islands, or Africa, since he highlights people from such areas. Whoever wrote it seems to get into trouble a lot, and have people cheat him on the marketing of the product (according to him). Strange, as if we want to know his whole checkered career.
Is there really somebody named "Jim Humble" who wants to "humbly" save the world with sodium hypochlorite?
It seems like you pay for the second half of the book, and/or pay for the sodium hypochlorite.
Well, as Barnum said, a sucker's born every...
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Is this the protocol that claims to cure AIDS and most cancers? I am very skepitcal about it, but will keep an eye on it to see how others are doing.
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Just a note. My intuitive -who has been right on with EVERYTHING supplement wise for me -says this will not help and she would not prescribe it for any condition.
Just my two cents.
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Once again, you do not have to pay for anything to learn about it. Download part one and get Mr. Humble's e-mail. E-amil him with success stories in the subject line (or it goes as spam) and tell him you would like part 2 for free. He sent it to me no questions asked. So, it may not work, but he is not making money hand over fist. Hiker
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No Miracle, Just Wonderful ChemistryMMS De-Mystified del.icio.us tags: alternative health, chlorine dioxide, detox, chelation, healing, heavy metals
For the past couple of weeks I've been learning about, and experiencing something wonderful; that has implications for every one of us. It is a procedure that involves precipitating a chemical solvent, chlorine dioxide, in quantities small enough to be safely ingested, and large enough to kill pathogens that are presently living in our body, robbing it of energy, and poisoning it with waste material, and making it more vulnerable to disease. If this is not your situation, it is certainly the situation of someone you know and love.
The product is called, ``MMS,'' which stands for miracle mineral supplement. Caution flags rise immediately when the term ``miracle'' is used to describe anything that amazes us, or when we don't understand how it does what it does. In this case, it is indeed amazing. However, an explanation of why MMS is so effective as a pathogen destroyer is possible. It's not the MMS that destroys pathogens; the chlorine dioxide does that. But when you understand the chemistry, you'll see that it's not a miracle... it just seems like one.
Humble Origins The MMS protocol was developed by Jim Humble, a gold miner and metallurgist, on an expedition into the jungles of Central America, looking for gold. It was a response to a need to help a member of his expedition who came down with malaria, more than two days away, through heavy jungle, from the next mine. After many years of experience, Humble always carried stabilized oxygen with him on such expeditions, to make local water potable. Facing the possibility of a quick loss of life, he gave it to the stricken man. To everyone's amazement, he was well within a few hours. That sure seemed like a miracle, but Humble wanted to better understand what had just happened.
Over the course of several years, Jim Humble figured out that what made stabilized oxygen so effective in some malaria cases, was not the oxygen at all, but the trace amounts of chlorine dioxide. Further research led him to come up with a way to produce hundreds, if not thousands more units of chlorine dioxide than what is found in stabilized oxygen. This is through using a higher concentrate of sodium chlorite (28% vs. 3% for stabilized oxygen), in conjunction with the activator. The proof of the efficacy of this simple protocol was in successfully helping over 75,000 people in several African nations - including Uganda and Malawi - rid themselves, primarily of malaria, but also hepatitis, cancer, and AIDS.
Jim Humble chronicled his experiences in two downloadable ebooks that are available at his web site: www.miraclemineral.org. The book is titled, Breakthrough: The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century. Part one, which is a free download, tells how it began. Part two, which costs $9.95, continues the story, discusses the chemistry involved, and gives clear instructions on how to prepare MMS yourself. (A hard copy edition is also available.) This is important, because once you understand the chemistry, and the absolute absence of downside effects, outside of feeling nauseous and ``expelling'' when toxins and pathogens are dislodged, it becomes an option that anyone who may be on toxin overload must try out for one's self.
Anyone can be on toxin overload. Some are but won't admit it. Others would prefer to think they're not. If your health is not perfect... you're habitually low on energy, have trouble keeping your weight down, or blood pressure in the normal range, or constantly dealing with inflammation or pain, then there's likely a toxin, heavy metal, virus, bacteria, or parasite issue in play. Traditional medicine will typically respond by loading you up with additional pollutants, many of which indiscriminately kill healthy tissue while going after ``the bad guys.'' Not so with chlorine dioxide. It only acts on harmful presences. Miracle or not, the effects are wonderful. I'd vote for Wonderful Mineral Supplement in a heartbeat!
Over the next few pages, I'm going to describe the MMS protocol. When followed, it will produce and distribute chlorine dioxide to your red blood cells, which is the most effective and intelligent pathogen killer known to Nature.
But first, a little background on the chemistry.
Chlorine dioxide and chlorine are not the same. Chlorine is a chemical element. In ion form, chlorine is part of common salt and other compounds, and necessary to most forms of life, including human. A powerful oxidizing agent, it is the most abundant dissolved ion in ocean water, and readily combines with nearly every other element, including sodium to form salt crystals, and magnesium, as magnesium chloride.
Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound that consists of one chlorine ion bound to two ions of oxygen.
Oxidizing agents are chemical compounds that readily accept electrons from ``electron donors.'' They gain electrons via chemical reaction. This is important because relative to chlorine dioxide, all pathogens are electron donors.
Chlorine dioxide is extremely volatile. You might call it ``hot tempered,'' but in a very beneficial way. This volatility is a key factor in chlorine dioxide's effectiveness as a pathogen destroyer.
The compound is literally explosive; so explosive, it's not safe to transport in any quantity. Therefore, it is common practice to generate chlorine dioxide ``on site'' at the point of use. Most chlorine dioxide production is done on a scale that would prove deadly for individuals, for example, in municipal water treatment systems, where it is beginning to replace chlorine because it produces no carcinogenic byproducts. Chlorine dioxide is approved by the Environmental Protection Agency in safely removing pathogens and contaminates like anthrax. So you know it must be effective. However, the concentrations used in such applications can vary from 500 to over 6,000 parts per million (ppm), which would clearly be deadly to an individual. Using the MMS protocol you will produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.
You will use the MMS solution, which is safe to transport, to make nature's harmless pathogen remover.
The MMS solution is 28% sodium chlorite in distilled water. You can produce chlorine dioxide with a single drop, when an ``activator'' of vinegar, lemon juice, or a 10% solution of citric acid is added. The latter two activators are recommended for people with Lyme disease.
``Applications'' of chlorine dioxide range from 1 drop to a maximum of 15, except in life critical situations, where the maximum may be doubled. A ``maintenance application'' is six drops, with 1/4 teaspoon of activator added. After adding the activator, the chemical reaction that turns sodium chlorite into chlorine dioxide takes only about three minutes.
The activating ingredient in vinegar that makes the change possible is acetic acid. It also sets the stage for what happens when the chlorine dioxide ions enter the bloodstream. This weak acid acts like a blasting cap by lowering the pH of the chlorine dioxide, without setting it off.
The natural pH of sodium chlorite is 13. Adding vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid) creates about 3 mg of unstable but still harmless chlorine dioxide.
The Process Let's talk a bit more about how and why chlorine dioxide works for giving the immune system a new lease on life.
Volatility is what makes chlorine dioxide so effective when it contacts pathogens. As we've mentioned, chlorine dioxide is a safe and effective disinfectant in many municipal water delivery systems, hospitals, and even in bioterrorism response. It stands to reason that chlorine dioxide would be just as effective working in the waters of the human body.
Chlorine dioxide's extreme volatility prevents pathogens from developing a resistance. Mainly because when they ``clash,'' the pathogens no longer exist. Yet, healthy cells and beneficial bacteria are unaffected.
While normal levels of oxygen in the blood cannot destroy all of the pathogens present under disease conditions, delivery of chlorine dioxide changes everything.
``Halt! Surrender Your Electrons, Now!'' When a chlorine dioxide ion contacts a harmful pathogen, it instantly rips up to five electrons from the pathogen, in what can be likened to a microscopic explosion... harmless to us, but terminal for pathogens.
The pathogen - an electron donor - is rendered harmless due to the involuntary surrendering of its electrons to the chlorine dioxide - an electron acceptor - and the resulting release of energy. Oxidized by the chlorine ion, the former pathogen becomes a harmless salt.
This process benefits a body that has become toxic.
Throughout the body, anywhere chlorine dioxide ions - transported via red blood cells - come in contact with pathogens, the pathogens give up their electrons and cease to exist. The chlorine dioxide armed cells only ``detonate'' on contact with pathogens, which include harmful bacteria, viruses, toxins, heavy metals, and parasites. All of these will have pH values that are out of the body's range of good health. They will also have a positive ionic charge. The chlorine dioxide equipped cells do not oxidize beneficial bacteria, or healthy cells, as their pH levels are 7 or above, and hold a negative ion charge.
Chlorine dioxide ions will oxidize - meaning vaporize - diseased cells... anything that is acidic, with a positive ion charge.
If the chlorine dioxide ions encounter no pathogens or other poisons, it deteriorates into table salt and in some instances, hypochlorous acid, which the body can also use.
A Pathogen Terminator Research has proven chlorine dioxide to be much safer than chlorine, as it is selective for pathogens when used in water. Furthermore, it does not create harmful compounds from other constituents in the water as chlorine does.
Numerous scientific studies have demonstrated that chlorine - part of the halogen family of elements - creates as least three carcinogenic compounds when it enters the body, principally trihalomethanes (THMs). There has been no such evidence of harmful compounds being produced from chlorine dioxide.
This is why, in 1999, the American Society of Analytical Chemists proclaimed chlorine dioxide to be the most powerful pathogen killer known to man. It has even been used to clean up after anthrax attacks.
A Journey into Chemical Alchemy Once it is introduced into the bloodstream, chlorine dioxide performs a highly energetic acceptance of four electrons when it comes across any cell that is below a pH value of 7. This means that diseased cells are essentially vaporized (i.e., ``oxidized'') while healthy cells are unaffected.
Here is how it happens.
Red blood cells that are normal carriers of oxygen throughout the body do not differentiate between chlorine dioxide and oxygen. Therefore, after ingesting the MMS/chlorine dioxide-rich solution, red blood cells pick up chlorine dioxide ions that are deposited on the stomach wall where it normally gathers nutrients of various kinds before journeying through the body.
Then, when the red blood cells armed with chlorine dioxide encounter parasites, fungi, or diseased cells that all have low pH and a positive ionic charge, the ``aliens'' are destroyed along with the chlorine dioxide ion. If no such encounters occur, the chlorine dioxide will be carried to a point in the body where oxygen normally oxidizes poisons and other harmful agents.
If the chlorine dioxide doesn't hit anything that can set it off, it will deteriorate, and thus lose an electron or two. This may allow it to combine with a very important substance that the immune system uses to make hypochlorous acid. This compound kills pathogens, killer cells, and even cancerous cells. Hypochlorous acid is so important, its diminished presence in the body is described medically by the term myeloperoxidase deficiency.
Many people are afflicted by this condition. The immune system needs a great deal more hypochlorous acid when disease is present. Facilitated by the MMS solution, chlorine dioxide delivers it in spades, as does magnesium chloride, but that's another part of the health discussion.
The most salient point to know, is that chlorine dioxide has 100 times more energy to do what oxygen normally does, and yet, will not harm healthy cells.
By the way, if you are totally healthy, and have nothing in your body that is at an acidic level below 7, there are no ill-effects from taking chlorine dioxide. However, your stores of hypochlorous acid will be increased.
MMS works best to destroy pathogens that may be present in the body, when 2 or 3 mg of free chlorine dioxide are in the solution at the time it is swallowed. However, the body is supplied with chlorine dioxide in a ``timed release'' manner lasting about 12 hours. Be aware, that before you feel better, it is likely you will feel ill.
``Why Must I Feel Sick?'' The nauseous feeling that you may experience would be the result of chlorine dioxide encountering, dislodging - hence the ``sick'' feeling - and then destroying pathogens encountered.
We are generally oblivious of the pathogens that are introduced to our body, especially after they have been stored in the tissue of various organs. Since they build up over time, they generally affect our health slowly, and cumulatively.
However, chlorine dioxide takes them out suddenly, which may result in a dramatic reaction. However, it passes in much less time than it took for the toxins and pathogens to accumulate.
When the chlorine dioxide ``goes off,'' the electron stripped pathogens cease to exist.
As an example, one will almost always feel ill in hepatitis cases because the liver is induced to expel stored poisons, which are then destroyed by an army of red blood cells containing chlorine dioxide. It's really no contest. But it doesn't have to be something as acute as hepatitis.
Years of ``leeching'' of from dental amalgams can ``innocently'' deposit enough mercury to one's system to steal innocence, rob vitality, and erase precious memories. Dislodging and vaporizing it will feel uncomfortable for a very short time compared to the time it took to accumulate.
If you feel sick when you take this protocol, know that your health and vitality awaits to rejoin you on ``the other side'' of the ill feeling.
If it has no ``close encounters'' with pathogens, chlorine dioxide deteriorates into constituents that are totally non-toxic. Nothing poisonous is left behind to build up, as is the case with many medical protocols. Medical treatments currently provide you NO way of removing the poisons when said poisons don't work. You are left on your own in a strange land and diseased state, without a roadmap back to health.
Nature's chlorine dioxide, on the other hand, lasts long enough to do its job, then that which does not furnish the immune system with needed ions becomes nothing more than micro amounts of salt and water.
The chlorine dioxide has just a few minutes to do its thing, and then it no longer exists, leaving nothing behind that can build up, or do additional harm.
The Procedure So the procedure is simple. All you need is your bottle of MMS, a clean, empty, dry glass, an eyedropper, and the activator (vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid).
Add your drops of MMS - sodium chlorite - to a clean, empty dry glass. If this is not a critical, life threatening situation, start with one drop. If it is an acute disease situation, you should still limit your starting application to 15 drops of MMS. It has been brought to my attention that the current rule of thumb is 3 drops of sodium chlorite per 25 lbs. of body weight. This would put anyone who is 125 lbs at the 15 drop limit. A reader notes that Mr. Humble suggested that she (at 275 lbs) need to get up to 33 drops, and at 10 drop maintenance dose, rather than the ``normal'' 6-drops. (Thanks D.A.) For 1-6 drops of sodium chlorite add 1/4 teaspoon of activator. If you're using vinegar, any kind is okay, including apple cider vinegar or white vinegar, as long as it has roughly 5% acetic acid. For 7-15 drops, add 1/2 teaspoon of activator -- if using vinegar or lemon juice. CITRIC ACID ACTIVATOR: To make a 10% solution of citric acid: Put one level tablespoon full of crystals in a clean glass or jar. Then add 9 level tablespoons full of purified water into the same jar. When the crystals have dissolved, this is a 10% solution. In all cases when using the citric acid as an activator, use 5 drops for each 1 drop of MMS. Do everything else the same. Wait 3 minutes after mixing, add juice and drink. When using the citric acid as an activator, be sure to keep in mind all of the other instructions concerning taking the MMS. Start with taking 1 drop of MMS and 5 drops of citric acid and then work up to greater amounts. Since droppers come in various sizes, you may want to use the same size dropper for the MMS and the citric acid so you know you are getting enough for good activation. If you're going into the rarefied territory beyond 15 drops, use the same ratios; i.e., another 1/4 teaspoon (total of 3/4 tsp.) for up to 21 drops, 1 tblsp. for up to 30, etc for vinegar and lemon juice activators, and 5 drops of 10% solution of citric acid for each drop of MMS. WAIT THREE MINUTES, then add 1/2 glass of apple juice, grape juice, cranberry or pineapple juice, or water. This further stabilizes the compound, and brings the concentration of chloride dioxide that you will ingest to 1 part per million (ppm). Drink IMMEDIATELY. The ``chlorine-like'' taste will be negligible. Allowing the drink to sit for any significant time allows chlorine gas to build up above the drink, which lessens the amount of chlorine dioxide in the drink.
The `Healtholution' Will Not Be Televised! Start modestly with as little as 1 drop of MMS on your first day, and then increase the number on each following day, up to the maximum of 15. ONLY THE MOST ACUTE TOXIC OVERLOAD SITUATIONS WILL WARRANT THIS AMOUNT OF APPLICATION. Your body WILL tell you when you've reached the optimum dosage for you.
Clearing will not be comfortable, but it need not be intolerable. You may feel like you've been through a battle, and in a sense, you have. It's a battle for domain over your health, and hence, your life. Before you can be healthy again, you need to destroy toxins, pathogens, and parasites. In order to do so, they have to be uprooted and released from their ``strongholds'' in your body tissue. You will feel the effects, but is a good thing. You will also feel health, again.
The sick feeling will be TEMPORARY, a small price to pay for the longer term possibility of lasting restored health, no matter what stage of life you happen to be currently experiencing.
When the clearing is done, you won't need to take the maximum dosages. You can go on a maintenance application (six (6) drops of MMS) to keep your insides pathogen free and immune system strong.
A few more words about fruit juices. They can be substituted for water as long as they are freshly made. Do not buy them off the shelf and use them, and DO NOT use orange juice. Orange juice prevents the production of chlorine dioxide, as well as anything that has vitamin C added as a preservative.
I hope you have found this information helpful. The product known as MMS is not really chlorine dioxide, it's not even a miracle. However, it is a safe and effective way to create one, by introducing a sure fire way to bolster the immune system and eliminate a full range of harmful pathogens, by delivering Nature's pathogen destroyer, chlorine dioxide, into your body.
When combined with the rapid toxin removal power of chlorine dioxide, mineral replenishment with magnesium chloride and detoxified iodine for the thyroid, can point those with even the most acute conditions in the direction of some seriously wonderful well being.
Hear It Jim Humble, developer of the MMS protocol, is my guest on Talk for Food. You can listen to the podcast by following this link.
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Okay, I tried it two weekends in a row ramping up slowly. The first weekend I got to 10 drops of the sodium chlorite in 48 hours and had no reaction. Then I did not use it during the week, but the next weekend I started at 2 drops and when I reached 6 drops 48 hours later I puked my guts up. Apparently if you are ill you will feel sick on it, but also you can get nauseous if you have an empty stomach when you take it.
I can't see this working very well with Lyme--the author recommended 2 drops every hour and that is unrealistic when I am teaching (you have to mix the sodium chlorite with vinegar or citric acid and let sit for 3 minutes and then add water and drink it right away).
However, there is a Yahoo group called MMI that has started experimenting with it and reporting results. Not everyone there has Lyme, though.
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Hiker, I think you should be more careful! After your experience with salt/c that really harmed you, please be more cautious with untried and possibly dangerous supplements. Wishing you well.
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I think this might be what I put in my household water conditioner to control sulfer & iron.
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My God, the negativity, the negativity. I mean if it cures cancer and AIDS, of course it will cure Lyme.
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The discovery of ClO2 has largely been credited to Sir Humphrey Davy, who, in 1814, created the compound by mixing sulfuric acid with potassium chlorate.
Since its discovery, researchers have found that ClO2 shares some common characteristics with chlorine. Specifically, ClO2 is a greenish-yellowish gas with a chlorine-like odor that is irritating to the eyes, nose, and throat. Apart from these very limited similarities, however, it has been learned that ClO2 exhibits physical and chemical properties that are dramatically different from those of chlorine, even though it contains a chlorine atom in its molecular structure.
Differentiating Factors One of the most important properties of ClO2 that sets it apart from chlorine is its behavior when placed in water. Not only is ClO2 10 times more soluble in water than chlorine (3.01 grams/Liter at 25 degrees C), it doesn't hydrolyze when placed in solution.
It remains as a "true" dissolved gas that retains its useful oxidative and biocidal properties throughout the entire 2 to 10 pH range. By way of contrast, chlorine dissociates when placed in water to form hypochlorous and hydrochloric acids.
Hypochlorous acid is the primary biocide in solution, which dissociates to form hypochlorite ion with increasing pH. Hypochlorite ion is only from 1/20 to 1/300 as effective in controlling microbes as hypochlorous acid.
Thus, chlorine can only be an effective biocide in systems with low pH. The high degree of solubility exhibited by ClO2 in water has also been observed in a variety of organic materials, such as oils and solvents, thereby allowing for utilization of its unique oxidative and biocidal properties in a wide range of potential applications.
Molecular Properties & Oxidation
ClO2 is a small, volatile, and very strong molecule that reacts with other substances by way of oxidation rather than by substitution (i.e. chlorination). ClO2 has lower oxidation strength than chlorine, but more than twice the oxidative capacity.
Oxidation strength describes how strongly an oxidizer will react with an "oxidizable" substance. The higher its oxidation strength, the more substances the oxidant compound will react with.
ClO2 is comparatively weak, and has a lower oxidation potential than ozone, chlorine or even hypochlorous acid. Oxidation capacity refers to the number of electrons transferred during an oxidation or reduction reaction. The chlorine atom in the ClO2 molecule has an oxidation number of +4.
For this reason ClO2 accepts 5 electrons when reduced to chloride ion. By way of comparison, ClO2 contains 263 percent 'available chlorine,' which is more than 2.5 times the oxidation capacity of chlorine.
Because ClO2 has lower oxidation strength, it is more selective in its reactions. Typically, ClO2 will only react with compounds that have activated carbon bonds such as phenols, or with other active compounds like sulfides, cyanides, and reduced iron and manganese compounds.
Chlorine is a more powerful oxidizer that ClO2, and will react with a wider variety of chemicals, including ammonia. This property limits its overall effectiveness as a biocide.
Conversely, because ClO2 has more oxidative capacity compared to ozone or chlorine, less ClO2 is required to obtain an active residual concentration of the material when used as a disinfectant.
An Effective Biocide
The propensity of ClO2 to react by oxidation rather than substitution makes it a useful alternative to chlorine in drinking water disinfection applications where the formation of potentially carcinogenic halogenated disinfection byproducts, such as triholomethanes and halogenated acidic acids, is of concern.
Additionally, ClO2 does not produce significant amounts of aldehydes, ketons, keton acids, or other disinfection byproducts that originate from ozonation of water containing organic substances.
The reaction of ClO2 with microorganisms or other oxidizable substances takes place in two steps. In the first stage of the reaction, the ClO2 molecule accepts an electron and chlorite ion is formed (ClO2-). In the second stage, ClO2 accepts 4 electrons and chloride ion (Cl-) is formed.
The mechanism of action by which ClO2 inactivates microorganisms is not entirely well understood. As a general matter, however, it is known that ClO2 destroys microbes by attacking their cell walls (or viral envelopes) and interfering with essential protein formation. It is also known that ClO2 is more effective against viruses than either chlorine or ozone.
Furthermore, ClO2 is known to be effective against hearty waterborne protozoans such as Giardia Lambia and Cryptosporidium, the causative agents of giardiasis and cryptosporidiosis, respectively. Since ClO2 is an oxidative biocide, microorganisms cannot build up a resistance to it.
Many Applications
Because ClO2 always exists as a true gas under standard conditions of temperature and pressure, whether in open air or dissolved in solution, its antimicrobial properties can be harnessed for either liquid or gaseous application. The "free radical" property of ClO2 makes it particularly useful for addressing structural microbial contamination problems.
Liquid ClO2 solution can be applied directly to known areas of microbial contamination, or entire contaminated structures can be fumigated with the gas by simply stripping it back out of solution at the point of application.
Once applied, ClO2 quickly decays on its own to invisible, harmless concentrations of various sodium salts including chlorite, chlorate, and chloride ion.
I would NOT!!!NOT!!! take anything coming out of Africa theres alot of people who hate us and alot of scams from that region.
But at the same time this chemical has some very unique qualities ClO2! Not some miraclemineral from some humble my but guy
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The effectivety of chlorine dioxide is at least as high as chlorines, though at lower concentrations. But there are more and important advantages.
The bactericidal efficiency is relatively unaffected by pH values between 4 and 10; Chlorine dioxide is clearly superior to chlorine in the destruction of spores, bacteria's, viruses and other pathogen organisms on an equal residual base; The required contact time for ClO2 is lower; Chlorine dioxide has better solubility; No corrosion associated with high chlorine concentrations. Reduces long term maintenance costs; Chlorine dioxide does not react with NH3 or NH4+; It destroys THM precursors and increases coagulation; ClO2 destroys phenols!!! and has no distinct smell; It is better at removing iron and magnesia compounds than chlorine, especially complex bounds;
Phenolic compounds
For a full list, see Category:Phenols Phenol the parent compound, used as an disinfectant and for chemical synthesis BHT (butylated hydroxytoluene) - a fat-soluble antioxidant and food additive Capsaicin the pungent compound of chilli peppers Bisphenol A and other bisphenols produced from ketones and phenol / cresol Chavibetol from betel, used as a flavouring Cresol found in coal tar and creosote Estradiol estrogen - hormones Eugenol the main constituent of the essential oil of clove Gallic acid found in gallnuts Guaiacol (2-methoxyphenol) - has a smokey flavor, and is found in roasted coffee, whisky, and smoke 4-Nonylphenol a breakdown product of detergents and nonoxynol-9 Orthophenyl phenol a fungicide used for waxing citrus fruits Picric acid (trinitrophenol) - an explosive material Phenolphthalein pH indicator Polyphenol e.g. flavonoids and tannins Raspberry ketone a compound with an intense raspberry smell Serotonin / dopamine / adrenaline / noradrenaline natural neurotransmitters Thymol (2-Isopropyl-5-methyl phenol) - an antiseptic that is used in mouthwashes Tyrosine an amino acid Xylenol -
Medicinals
Cannabinoids the active constituents of cannabis Diethylstilbestrol a synthetic estrogen with a stilbene structure L-DOPA a synthetic estrogen with a stilbene structure Methyl salicylate the major constituent of the essental oil of wintergreen Propofol a short-acting intravenous anesthetic agent Psilocin a hallucinogenic alkaloid of Psilocybe mushrooms Salicylic acid a plant hormone used for its analgesic, antipyretic and anti-inflammatory properties, also a precursor compound to Aspirin Trichlorophenylmethyliodosalicyl the main component of TCP, an antiseptic.
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Will all the miracle cures being peddled on Lymenet recently we shouldn't have to bother with dying or ever getting ill!
Gad! All these people should be up for a Medal of Honor or a Nobel Peace prize!
Tree, thanks for the reminder that this is from Africa. As we all know, NO ONE EVER DIES IN AFRICA! If everyone in Africa had this simple solution, we wouldn't have to send them billions of dollars in aid.
Oprah wouldn't have something to brag about.
The need for doctors would be obsolete.
One time I sent off for a miracle acne cure for my son. It was $9.95 money back guaranteed. However, they didn't tell me about the $40 custom fee because it came from JAPAN!
Tack that on to your shipping from AFRICA.
Oh...it didn't work. But, I couldn't get my money back. THAT English wasn't understood!
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I'm going on the Chlorox Protocol, which I invented yesterday. Chlorine just wipes those keets out, baby..geeze, they even use it to elimate pathogens from swimming pools.
I'll keep you posted, if you send me money.
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Mechanism of Chloroform Formation by Chlorine and Its Inhibition by Chlorine Dioxide
DUCK H. SUH and MOHAMED S. ABDEL-RAHMAN1 Toxicology Laboratory, Department of Pharmacology, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey Newark, New Jersey 07103
Mechanism of Chloroform Formation by Chlorine and Its Inhibition by Chlorine Dioxide. SUH, D. H., and ABDEL-RAHMAN, M. S. (1985). Fundam. Appl. Toxicol. 5, 305-313. Chlorination of drinking waters leads to the formation of trihalomethanes arising from the reaction of chlorine and organic substances.
Therefore, chlorine dioxide (ClO2) which does not produce trihalomethanes is being considered as an alternative disinfectant.
It has been reported that rat blood chloroform levels were significantly decreased after treatment with ClO2. Studies were conducted to investigate the mechanisms of chloroform formation by chlorine (HOCl) and its inhibition by ClO2 (5 mg/liter) in the presence of HOCl (5, 10, 20 mg/liter) using sodium citrate (1 mM) as an organic substance.
When citrate was reacted with HOCl, �-ketoglutaric acid, monochloroacetone, dichloroacetone, and trichloroacetone were produced as reaction intermediates and chloroform as a final product.
There was a linear relationship between the concentrations of HOCl and the formation of chloroform. When ClO2 was substituted for HOCl, neither chloroform was formed nor citrate concentration was changed.
Further, chloroform formation was inhibited by ClO2 in the presence of HOCl and citrate and the degree of inhibition depends on the ratio of ClO27sol;HOCl.
Gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer analysis indicates that this inhibition is related to the reaction of ClO2 with �-ketoglutaric acid to form malonic acid.
Chlorine dioxide also oxidizes other intermediates such as monochloroacetone and dichloroacetone to acetic acid.
These studies indicate that ClO2 inhibits chloroform formation from citrate and HOCl by the oxidation of the intermediates which were involved in the reaction of chloroform formation.
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Why should I use Chlorine Dioxide rather than Chlorine for water treatment?
It should first be noted that both chlorine and chlorine dioxide are powerful and effective disinfectant agents. Chlorine has been and continues to be a very effective disinfectant which is responsible for making and keeping drinking water safe for people around the world.
In the instances in which the drinking water source is surface water, which contains organic materials, ClO2 offers the following benefits. First, ClO2 functions via an oxidative rather than chlorinating reaction.
This virtually eliminates the formation of chlorinated organic compounds which are suspected to increase cancer risk. Second, ClO2 is generated on site, thereby eliminating the need for site storage of chlorine and/or transportation thereof.
Is Chlorine Dioxide toxic?
Fifty years of worker experience has demonstrated that ClO2 is a safe compound when handled properly.
World-wide, nearly 4.5 million pounds per day (pounds into kg ?) of chlorine dioxide are used in the production of pulp and paper.
However, as with any and all disinfectant chemicals, if handled improperly, or consumed internally or absorbed or subjected to prolonged exposure, ClO2 can be toxic.
However, it is also this toxicity that makes ClO2 a good water disinfectant agent.
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oxygenbabe
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LOL I like the chlorox protocol. Arrow, that book is fairly ridiculous. It's a hard knocks hard luck tale of the guy consistently being cheated by his partners. It goes on and on and on with irrelevant personal history which may or may not be true and there is no hard evidence of anything. I wouldn't take sodium hypochlorite.
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I thought it sounded familiar so I looked in the laundry room....yep sodium hypochlorite is bleach. Of course you can also get it in tab form by lurking around a pool service truck.
I really don't want to mess with it though because I'm working on the Drano cure.
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kelmo
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I was referring to Treepatrol's post above. I haven't found where this stuff originates. Unless I made a bad assumption, I apologize.
I certaily do not want to spread misinformation.
However, I stand by my opinion that with all these "miracle cures" advertised on various lyme groups (and it's even made it to our local lyme group website), we need to not accept too hastily someone's claim that this is "the cure".
I'm not saying this is hogwash, but I am not putting my faith in something that may have potential harm, or put money on something fake.
Why don't we drink Holy Water?
Anything that labels itself "Miracle" is suspect, in my book.
Negative? Maybe. Skeptical...most assuredly!
Go ahead and try it. Let us know how it works. If we didn't have risk takers, we wouldn't know, would we?
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Many of these alternative products are being marketed as medicines...period...and to chronically ill desperate people. With no study of the effectiveness ot the danger of side effects. That is a criminal enterprise, IMO. The are many many reasons that medicine is heavily regulated. I am open minded--let me see the studies showing that Miraclepoop is safe and effective, and I'll decide if I want to try it.
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Nobody is going to do a multi-million dollar study on any product that costs $20.00 for a one and a half year supply.
All you will have to work with is testimonials for the time being. And I can't even find many of those
I do not know if it does anything. But I also fail to see why any person would go to all the trouble of writing, and poorly writing at that, such a convoluted story for no apparent motive other than the one stated.
There certainly is no profit motive. A seventy five year old guy usually is not seeking a fortune that late in life even if there was any substantial money involved.
From my initial research there is only two likely scenarios.
One is that MMS does more or less what he claims it does.
The other is he is a delusional lunatic and belongs in a institution.
If the second is not true, then I can see no other obvious motive for making the claim.
I will be watching to see what comes of this, if anything. I can't seem to find much about it so far.
I would be careful until some more information is available. I have to admit, that I cannot see anything about it that would be harmful, but I am not a scientist either.
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"There certainly is no profit motive. A seventy five year old guy usually is not seeking a fortune that late in life even if there was any substantial money involved."
Don't know about that--lots of older people are desperate for money.
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They are called "Politicians".
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D Bergy
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You could be right. Maybe he is a politician! If he is, then it would be best to lock him up.
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I found the links useful, full of good information, and appreciate your posting them. Thank you
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Yes, thanks for posting this, Arrow. Tracy
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