Topic: anybody with experience with cowden L protocol
david1097
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I tried this herbal regime on the off chance it might do something - anything within reason is being considered. The only thing so far after 2 weeks of the treatment is that it has made me loose weight by lightening my wallet. It has also taught my 10 year old daughter what it is like to do titrations.. Asside from those two things it has done nothing.
Does anyone have any observations on this protocol.
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This is not music to my ears, David. I just started it today and I am hoping for more than wallet lightening.
My LLMD did say, though, that I should be able to notice improvement after a month (if it's going to work for me.)
I'm hoping maybe it's just too soon for you to notice a difference. (I don't want to think I wasted a pretty good chunk of change on this stuff.)
Anyone else have good results with this? If so, how long did it take to notice improvement?
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JimBoB
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I haven't used the Cowden protocol, but I do use the Buhner Protocols and noticed big changes in just a few days. I have been using it for 21 months now. I am on a lower dose maintenance now. Jim . ###
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hardynaka
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Do a search, there are some people on few of Cowden tinctures responding well.
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david1097
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I actually did a search before posting this question. There are not that many positive responses so I decided to ask the question again.
What I am trying to find out is if there are any definative and positive indications that the herbal protocol does something. Things like reduced joint pain, swelling, elimination of regular flareup cycles reduced generalized inflamation, elimination of persistent headache etc. Also I am trying to see how long it has taken to see a result.
Every new regime that I have been on that works, has worked in less than 2 weeks usually with dramatic results so I am basing my concern that this regime has done nothing on this observation.
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klutzo
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I don't know if this will help you at all, but this is my experience.
The original Cowden Protocol, which is very simple, using only Samento and Burbur, eliminated my constant night chills, raised my energy, and improved my mood, and I stay on a low dose of Samento for this reason. Burubr did not help me...I prefer chlorella.
If I stop Samento, within 3 days, I am having night chills again. However, I am only on 3 drops per day. I herx unbearably at 5 drops and that has never stopped in the almost 4 yrs. I've been on it.
The newer, much more complicated Cowden Protocol is beyond the ability of my damaged brain to comprehend, and beyond the ability of my wallet as well.
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hardynaka
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David, I do remember posts about certain tinctures here in lymenet. Maybe you could search by the ticnture names?
If I remember well, cleansing tinctures from Cowden have high rate in general.
Cumanda sounds pretty good for many people as an overall killer (not only fungi, if I understood well).
Samento is just one of the tinctures, there are dozens of posts on it. Good and bad.
It's though a new protocol (the revised Cowden protocol), so I feel you guys that are trying it are pretty much the pioneers!
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CherylSue
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I'm doing a modified Cowden protocol because the new protocol is too aggressive and overwhelming for me. I'm working with a naturopath that is helping me build up slowly because I herxed so bad. Burbur drops do help with the herx.
Over 2 1/2 months I've built up to 12 drops of cumanda twice daily. Everytime I add a drop I herx for a few days. Increase in symptom severity. After I'm on the cumanda at a dose of 15 drops twice daily, I will start the samento.
I'm very sensitive to the cumanda because it's supposed to be very powerful. I've made modest improvements, but have a long way to go.
Just my experience, CherylSue
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minoucat
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Hi there. Several of us in our area are doing the complete cowden protocol, but it's early days and I can't give you any definitive reports about effectiveness. I'm doing it with the supervision of my LLMD. I've had LD/Co for 20 years, and my recovery is complicated by the fact that when we first treated, back in the 80s, high-dose long-term steroids were the way to go.
For at least 2 of us there were fairly recognizable symptoms of die off, or at least toxin release, after the first 4 days.
I'm entering into the third week, about to start adding Samento, and for the past 3 days I have a return of the stiff neck, sore shoulders, swollen glands, extreme fatigue, raging insomnia, and major headache that I had at the beginning of the illness.
I'm a little upset because I've done so much abx (and detox) already--I really thought I was past all this. But it feels like die off and I'm assuming it is.
I started on the protocol because I'd hit a plateau--I was much better and more functional than I had been for a while, but still crippled by fatigue and all my my major Bb sx would return if I pushed myself too hard. I've been through practically all abx, including IV (but no IV since I've gotten rid of the coinfections) and have done a lot of detox for both toxins and metals.
One of my Cowden compatriots is experiencing similar strong reactions. She's had to ramp up much more slowly on the protocol -- I'm doing the protocol as written.
Another person had to stop completely because the protocol caused such intense fatigue.
How it will all play out I have no idea. I also did 8 months of the Buhner protocol, which seemed to hold Bb at bay for a while, but I relapsed quite noticeably by month 8.
If you have, or know someone who has, a license as a health practitioner (nurse, massage practitioner, etc.) you can get 12 bottles at a time as a wholesale customer and the cost is literally half that of retail, and is still a considerable savings over the Nutramedix discount rate for a month of Cowden. For those of you who haven't looked recently the monthly shopping list for the protocol is now online at Nutramedix with a 20% discount and some freebies.
I thought the protocol would be way too complicated for me to figure out, but it isn't.
I got one of those calendars with the large squares on them and drew 8 horizontal lines through each week. (I made several false starts and ruined 2 calendars before I figured it out, but I did it).
At the beginning of each week I put my initialization for each thing to take ("BB" for before breakfast, "AB" for after breakfast, etc.) on each line. During the Cumanda ramp-up time I put the drops of Cumanda on the calendar too.
I put all the changes -- when to take Algas, when to take Quina -- on as well. I keep the printout of the protocol and the calendar in the cupboard by the bottles of tincture and check off each dose as I take it.
I really understood the protocol by the time I was done.
Here is what I hear from some LL medical practitioners using it: Cowden seems to be very helpful for people at the tail end of treatment, or who are only contending with Bb (and possibly viruses). It does not seem to be so effective for those people still wrestling with coinfetions.
It will be at least 9 months before I can tell you how I think it worked, although I will certainly post if I experience any significant ups or downs.
Best of luck for everyone. This whole thing is such a crap shoot, and you don't know until you've spent the money and time what will work for you and what won't.
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