Topic: What orals can be taken w/Bicillin injections?
lymebytes
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Does anyone know which orals are safe to take with Bicillin?
Biaxin I know can be taken with it, but has anyone taken any other orals while on Bicillin, specifically Cipro or Rifampin? Please tell me your dose as well. Thanks.
janet thomas
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I'm not entirely sure but I think my LLMD told me I could take rifampin along with ketek & IM bicillin. Biaxin and ketek are in the same class, almost.
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David95928
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Zithromax.
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janet thomas
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Oral zithromax did nothing for me-in fact-I went downhill on it. Dr JB has often said at conference that he finds oral zithro rather ineffective. Biaxin and zithromax are both macrolides, ketek is a ketolide- next generation (sort of) macrolide.
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I take low dose flagyl with my bicilln shots. The flagyl is 125 mg taken once a day and I get a bicillin shot twice a week.
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My LLMD has just added Diflucan (fluconazole) to my bicillin regimen. 100 mg twice a day. Bicillin 1.2mu once a week.
My bicillin herxes were easing up and now it's only been a few days with the Diflucan but I'm getting headaches and ear ringing and burning joints like I hadn't in a while.
He told me that he has had patients who had their worst herx ever on this combo! I'm not expecting that but you never know.
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quote:Originally posted by Dancer: My bicillin herxes were easing up and now it's only been a few days with the Diflucan but I'm getting headaches and ear ringing and burning joints like I hadn't in a while.
You might want to check your diet if the diflucan is giving you a herx. Yes, some say it works against Lyme, but it's mainly a drug to take care of yeast, the beast!!
DIET, DIET, DIET is the key. Then, be sure to follow the 5 step plan outlined below. It was developed by my naturopath. It works.
"Successful control and elminiation of a Candida Albicans overgrowth requires a multifaceted program as described below. Failure to follow ALL the steps simultaneously will result in slow progress and will lengthen healing time significantly. The program should be tailored to the individual and must balance the need to eliminate the Candida and deprive it of its food source while insuring proper nutrition for the individual."
Five Steps to Candida Elimination:
1. You must starve it into submission by eliminating its food source.
2. You must kill it with anti-fungal herbs and supplements. [e.g....garlic, onion, caprylic acid, Pau D'Arco capsules or tea, clove, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, tea tree oil, Echinacea, Goldenseal, black walnut, MSM, barberry root, uva ursi, neem leaf, biotin]
3. You must reestablish the proper balance and quantity of probiotic bacteria in the digestive tract. [...multi-strain lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus capsules with FOS should be taken between meals to maximize repopulation of the digestive tract by beneficial bacteria.]
4. You must reestablish proper levels of all B vitamins (yeast free) and utilize other immune enhancing supplements to boost immune system function. [e.g ... B complex vitamins (yeast free), biotin, beta 1-3 glucan, colostrum, maitake mushroom, vitamins A, C, E, zinc and selenium]
5. You must cleanse and heal the digestive tract to promote proper elimination of toxins and Candida and assimilation of nutrients. [e.g...chlorophyll, MSM, omega 3 fatty acids found in flax seed and salmon oils, GLA found in borage, evening primrose and black currant oils. Pantothenic acid, digestive enzymes between meals] lyme disease in Europe is http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/EuroLyme/
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lymebytes
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One of my LLMD's started me on 1/2 doses of Bicillin (600mu) twice per week. My fourth shot, that was it, I herxed harder than I have since I started Lyme treatment almost 15 months ago.
I went into an excruciating painful herx, that caused head to toe pain and really bad ear pain deep in my ears.
Funny thing, the herx was intense as could be, but over in 5-6 days, just gone. Now I think I am feeling the benefits somewhat. I need to double up my dose to 1.2 twice per week, scary after that last herx, but proof that LD is still well alive, even after all this treatment.
My other LLMD wants me on Cipro for Ehrlichia and I was just wondering if anyone else has done a Bicillin/Cipro or Levaquin combo. I have run it through every drug interaction checker I can find and I can't find any interactions.
If anyone else has done Cipro, Levaquin or other Ehrlichia killing drugs, Rifampin or Doxy, please let me know. (Yes all these are Ehrlichia & Bart killers see link, page 14: http://tinyurl.com/27wxf9 )
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I take Ketek with my Bicillin injections.
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bejoy
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No Doxycycline or Tetracycline type drugs with Bicillin:
DRUG INTERACTIONS Tetracycline, a bacteriostatic antibiotic, may antagonize the bactericidal effect of penicillin, and concurrent use of these drugs should be avoided.
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"Do not go where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." -Ralph Waldo Emerson Posts: 1918 | From Alive and Well! | Registered: Feb 2007
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Lymetoo, thanks for the Candida info. As it happens, I went through a ton of Candida treatment (repeated courses of Diflucan, Sporanox, Nystatin, caprylic acid, herbs) (and Body Ecology diet, that was hell!) for a period of years before I knew I had Lyme. It actually worked, after quite a while my joint symptoms were gone, but ultimately it all came back.
When I finally got my Lyme diagnosis, my LLMD told me that Diflucan kills Lyme - there's been one study, I'm pasting reference below. He feels that candida does not cause herxes and the fact that I herxed on Diflucan was because it was actually killing Lyme. I am sure of it from my experience, and actually I think the Sporanox was even more effective than the Diflucan but there are no studies on that and he won't give it to me, said it's too toxic. I can also produce a herx by taking caprylic acid.
1: Eur J Med Res. 2004 Jul 30;9(7):334-6.Links Clinical effects of fluconazole in patients with neuroborreliosis.
Schardt FW. Betriebs�rztliche Untersuchungsstelle, Bayerische Julius-Maximilians-Universit�t, W�rzburg, Germany. [email protected] Eleven patients with neuro-borreliosis had been treated with 200 mg fluconazole daily for 25 days after an unsuccessful therapy with antibiotics. At the end of treatment eight patients had no borreliosis symptoms and remained free of relapse in a follow-up examination one year later. In the remaining four patients, symptoms were considerably improved. At the end of therapy immune reactivity (IgM+) disappeared in three patients. Since borrelia spp. are almost exclusively localised intracellular, they may depend on certain metabolites of their eucaryotic host cell. Inhibition of P450 and other cytochromes by fluconazole may incapacitate Borrelia upon longterm exposure. PMID: 15337633 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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janet thomas
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I specifically asked my LLMD (prominent LLMD, speaks at conferences, Dr S B from NY) if I could take Cipro with Bicillin /ketek. He said no but that rifampin was OK. I also take diflucan/nystatin as needed.
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