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I don't understand all this banning stuff. Seems silly and petty to me.
Anyway, I was also going to ask everyone which test they think is best. Now that I'm feeling better I want to see how my progress is at. My doctor says there is no test for progress. Is that true? Do us lyme patients just go on how we feel?
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It isn't entirely that he uses Rosner's name. PO manges to get in a URL to a site selling Rosner's books in almost every post.
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Good word cave but I don't see how it applies to PortlandLymie unless you are saying that he is Bryan Rosner, has been banned and is now advertising on this site by mentioning this new book?
If that is what you are saying, do you have any proof to back it up?
Noun 1. scofflaw - one who habitually ignores the law and does not answer court summonses criminal, crook, felon, malefactor, outlaw - someone who has committed a crime or has been legally convicted of a crime
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The fact that Rosner has been "banned" from the site does not mean that people cannot discuss his work. It benefits people - you may disagree - that's your right. Feel free to contact the Webmaster when you believe someone has violated the rules.
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I, for one, do not have any proof that Portland IS Bryan....so I'm not going to waste my time making accusations. [and no, Cave...I don't want to argue with you either! ]
I have benefited from both of his other books and have nothing bad to say about him.
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Can someone inform me why he was banned?
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I don't think Bryan is Portland. When I asked him about the book today he was curious how I had heard about it since it is still a work in progress. So, it would not make sense unless he were being very sneaky, and I know him well enough that I think that is highly unlikely. He's a good guy. He does a lot for the lyme community. For those of you that pay your doctor to see you, do you attack them the same way? He provides a service. Pay for it or don't - your call.
Unfortunately, someone has to be the target and today, it looks like it's Bryan - tomorrow it will probably be me - next day - it could be ......
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Portland Lymie is free to discuss Rosner's book. No one cares about that. But when PO provides a link to a commercial website in every post, makes me think he is pimping..Just has to lose the links. That's pretty straightforward. Just like yourself, Scott..you had to stop your link to a commercial website.
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Scott only had to stop posting a link to his own website. Thanks, Terry
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Perhaps I should have posted about Rosner's new book..... I stumbled onto it tracking a 16-page article entitled Homeopathy and Lyme Disease written by Ronald D. Whitmont, MD and 3rd generation homeopath..... apparently, a forward to this article was written by Bryan Rosner...... unfortunately, you have to pay to download the article.... http://www.lymebook.com/article103
Speaking of `imposters', I find it of great interest that Cave and Greatcod try to `sniff out' those `impersonators' who may be posting about alternative stuff, but said NOT ONE SINGLE WORD when someone very suspiciously like Tony Z (also banned from LymeNet) waltzed in and posted under the name of Frakktured. And Frakktured actually made claims solely to damage the reputation of an alternative treatment website, which is a criminal offense..... if, in fact, it was Tony Z, of course.
Cave, GC - were your `sniffers' in for repair that week?
GC, you always say that alternative people don't identify scams.... well, most of us alternative folks were highly suspicious that Frakktured was a scam right off the bat, but you sat silent. Perhaps you are just.... more selective than we are.
No, I don't have proof, but much of the evidence is still out there for all to read. Besides, `evidence' is pretty much all we get, even from PubMed.
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Good for Bryan. He's done alot for the lyme community in research of alternative treatments when abx fails so many.
He wasn't banned for being a bad guy that's for sure. Bryan's research has helped me tremendously in the last 4 yrs. And yes he is making a living off of people searching for help with TBI. Good for him. That doesn't make him a scammer as some portray him.
He's been there, done that. Thank God for people like Bryan, Gigi and Scott. They are making a difference.
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Well, I find it intriguing that Rosner promised to change his website -- he was still posting the outdated ILADS Guidelines.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is because the new ILADS guidelines specifically state there has been no benefit found with Rife.
(I am not arguing with happy Rife users here; I did not write the ILADS guidelines, they are what they are.)
When I looked on his website today, I now cannot find any reference to the ILADS Guidelines at ALL. Poof. Gone!
So he certainly kept his word about "changing" the ILADS Guidelines -- he simply did away with them altogether.
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Gee, I thought that "Fracktured" was a movie. With the Silence of the Lamb guy.
And how many people do these "alternative" treatments fail....any idea, anyone. Neither Scott nor Brian consider that worth "investigating". Just because ABX sometimes fail doesn't mean that these other expensive treeatments work at all, does it? What exactly is the success rate with your $2000 Rifer. Also, if an ILADS doctor was posting here, and always included a link to her website, they would be asked to remove it. So it seems paranoid to think that the rule is for alternatives only.
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A commercial for Marshall protocol with 116 replies while at the same time Rosner is banned. Guess it all makes sense to somebody.
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GC, don't really know the success rate of rife or any other of the many alternative treatments I've done over the 5 yrs. Didn't really matter to me. I just lived the ABX nightmare for over 3+ years and I took charge of my regaining a life(with alot of help from my God). I didn't have anything to loose at that point.
The only thing that matters is the fact that it is helping me and making my "I feel like I'm dying a slow death" improve. I've never claimed anything I tried cured me, because that would be a lie. When it happens though I will post my success.
All I claim is what I know from my own experience....one with TBI does have many options. What's the success rate for chronic lyme and ABX?
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quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: Perhaps I should have posted about Rosner's new book..... I stumbled onto it tracking a 16-page article entitled Homeopathy and Lyme Disease written by Ronald D. Whitmont, MD and 3rd generation homeopath..... apparently, a forward to this article was written by Bryan Rosner...... unfortunately, you have to pay to download the article.... http://www.lymebook.com/article103
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My $2000 rife machine cost me $440....not bad, considering the fact that it's helped keep me off abx for the greater part of the past 3 yrs.
Of course, I also credit a certain juice in helping me accomplish this!!
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Michelle, I cannot find a mention of rife in the ILADS guidelines or any of these documents. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place? Maybe they are using a different name since I searched under "rife" and nothing came up. Can you point it out please?
Thanks, Terry
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I've been away for awhile so I'm pretty out of the loop. Can admin please explain why members of Lymenet are being banned for trying to help people and spread information?
I don't understand why mention of Scott's website is banned? that seems silly to me.
I do understand that solicitation is not allowed, but how is posting a link solicitation? This is Lyme "net" and we should be a "network" exchanging information for the common good. So what if they sell something, it is for helping others get well, and educating all of us. LLMD's make money off all of our talk here and referrals, so should that be banned too? Please explain!
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LymeToo, I thought abx helped you get to where you are?
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Here's the part where it says that:
Treating Chronic Lyme Disease
J. J. Burrascano, MD April 24, 2004 Board Member of International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society East End Medical Associates, P.C. East Hampton, New York
ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES THREE CATEGORIES: . Known to be helpful . Possibly helpful . No proven benefit
ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES: KNOWN TO BE HELPFUL . Vitamins - Multi + Co-Q 10 + B complex + EFAs + Mg . Hyperbaric oxygen therapy - Monochamber preferred; three 30-day dives, one month apart . Eastern medicinals . Exercise program
ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES: POSSIBLY HELPFUL . Immune modulation - Reishi spore extract, transfer factor - IVIG only if deficient . Vitamin C . Acupuncture
ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES: NO PROVEN BENEFIT . Colloidal silver . Heat therapy - Sauna, infrared, hot tubs . Rife machines
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Sarah, thank you, I couldn't find that online to save my life, even though I was SURE I remembered reading it!!!
Where'd you get it???
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Googled it, silly*)!*)!
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Looks to me as if Dr. B is something of a Negative Nelly.
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Sarah, you Google-Queen!!
I tried to PM you a thank you, but NOOOOOO, your PM box is FULL!!!
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quote:Originally posted by CaliforniaLyme: LymeToo, I thought abx helped you get to where you are?
It did...most certainly! Thanks for bringing that to the forefront!
It helped me get to "almost" going off abx. It was not until after 6 mo on mangosteen that I felt well enough to go off the abx.
Then a year later I bought the rife machine. That was 2 yrs ago.
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Michelle wrote:
quote: It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is because the new ILADS guidelines specifically state there has been no benefit found with Rife.
Glad you found something Sarah but in any case what you found is NOT the ILADS guidelines but one LLMD's opinion that there is no *proven* benefit. This would not be the reason that Rosner has not put the new guidelines up. It is likely that he hasn't put them up because they do not further his cause.
Cod and Cave, continually taunting with your "negative nelley" comments makes me wonder about your motives.
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One llMD? The BEST LLMD*!*)!*! I adore my doc who saved my life but even I acknowledge Doc B is the bESTEST*)!*)*)!
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Yes, he is a good LLMD but that does not mean that he knows everything or is even right about everything or that he is the best person to evaluate rife. Besides, he said there is no *proof*. There are no studies that I know of, I assume that is what he means.
Regardless of what he means, I use rife and while I respect Dr. B., the positive results that I've had speak for themselves. Note, I am not saying it cured me, just that without a doubt it has helped me. Abx has not cured me either or even made me much better after over a year. I'm patient though and I continue to give abx a chance to work.
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Looks as if Rosner himself is somemthing of a Negative Nelly. In the great man's own words
"In my battle with Lyme Disease, it was years before I heard of rife machines. I continued to be�come increasingly sick and miserable despite seeing many doctors and spending tens of thousands of dollars on conventional and alternative therapies. As I began to locate the people who recovered I was surprised by a striking commonality �many used rife machines to get better after nothing else worked. Sure, there was the occasional antibiotic, hyperbaric oxygen chamber, or herbal remedy success story. But those were few and far between.
Not too positive about ABX which makes him an ABX Negative Nelly. As well as an HBO and herbal Negative Nelly. And Negative about conventional and alternarive therapies, which cost him tens of thousands of dollars
So its not just Cave and me who are wallowing in the muck of Negativity. Rosner and others who are Negative about conventional medicine are in the NN catagory, are they not? Sort of depends on whose ox is gored, I guess.
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I think its interesting you mention that post regarding cell wall deficient bacteria, because in Bryan's second book, he flat-out says "RIFE MACHINES DO NOT WORK ON CELL WALL DEFICIENT BACTRERIA." The above post adds credibility, in my mind, to what Bryan wrote; it does not detract from the credibility of his books.
By the way, the occurance of having herxes for a while then stopping and taking a while for new bactreial groups to activate is exactly what is described in the rife book over and over, so that M.D. apparently did not read the book or consider its contents thoroughly.
What I find most interesting here is that most of the talk in this message thread is not about how to help each other heal, but mere squabbling about who should be banned. Don't you people have families? Hobbies? Jobs? Or if you are disabled, don't you have better things to do? Instead of collecting disability checks, maybe you guys should go out and get JOBS. At least Rosner works for a living instead of hanging out here and bashing each other.
Someone told me not to join Lymenet because of the hundreds of members, there were a select few who ruin it for everyone. Now I see who those members are -- over and over they join threads only to degenerate the whole thing into a bash-fest. What fun.
The sad thing is, if we all met in person, I suspect it would be very clear that these people have serious social insecurities and wounds from past relationships. But here in cyberspace they put on this air of authority and pompos righteousneess. In person they are probably the person you stand next to in the grocery store and say to yourself, "I really wish I knew how to help that person, they look like they've had a tough life." I just wish these people would come here and say "hey, I've had a tough life, please help me," rather than act out in vengence and anger. We'd all be a whole lot better off.
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Cod wrote:
quote:So its not just Cave and me who are wallowing in the muck of Negativity. Rosner and others who are Negative about conventional medicine are in the NN catagory, are they not?
Just for the record, I don't consider voicing an opinion opposite to mine, or presenting info that is contrary to mine to be negative as long as it is done without nastiness. I think it is healthy and necessary. Info from as many angles as possible is very useful if we are to make good decisions.
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In the past, my husband (an electrical engineer) and I have discusssed the technical information that Cave has give in this thread.
While most is technically correct, his point about penetration into a conducter implies that penetration would be less in a poor conductor. Actually penetration would be more. The human body is not as good a conductor as copper, therefore penetration would be much greater in a human body than it would in copper.
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quote: There are three technical reasons that prove why Rife can't work
The logic of this assumption is flawed. The rules that Joe has listed do not prove that rife can't work, it just means that rife does not work via the mechanisms that he has listed.
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I say that a rife machine is a good backup plan to have incase you cannot get antibiotics.
If you are in an emergency, and cannot get antibiotics, or have to stop them for some reason, rife may be a good bet.
It was for me sometimes. I do not know though if it can cause damage to your system, I just was in a bind,
with no antibiotics, and it helped me. My air hunger twice was helped for 3 weeks.
So, I use one and have one for an emergency,
I think we all shoudl have emergency backups in case something happens.
I do need antibiotics, but rife has helped me in an emergency sometimes, not all the times, but sometimes.
I have not used the no contact machines, they may be ok.
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Portland,
I would say you are wrong, very wrong in what you say.
People are trying to protect others, I have been on both sides, and know what it is like to NEED antibiotics, and so I see why some are here to voice their opinion,
LOUD, because they are worried, not because they want to hurt anyone, or get someone banned, that is not it, they are worried about others health and life.
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quote:Originally posted by PortlandLymie: Instead of collecting disability checks, maybe you guys should go out and get JOBS. At least Rosner works for a living instead of hanging out here and bashing each other.
Last I checked, I work for a living. But I wasn't aware we were being polled.
The only time I ever notice Rosner (or you,for that matter) dropping by here is to talk about his Rife books. Seems kind of curious. But I'm sure it's totally altruistic. Whatever that means.
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OK, I confess. I am well paid by Big Pharma to dis alternatives. PO'd is right.
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Thanks, Radfaraf - I am familiar with the article you posted about by Dr. Whitmont. And it certainly may be the same article and if so, I'm not sure why one site would charge for it when it is feely available elsewhere......
Portland, your point about the squabbling here is well taken. And I accept my portion responsibility for that. If you were around LymeNet much, I suspect you would get tired of being shot at, and eventually you would start shooting back, too. My bullet-proof vest gests a little thin, at times.
Terry said: ****``The logic of this assumption is flawed. The rules that Joe has listed do not prove that rife can't work, it just means that rife does not work via the mechanisms that he has listed.''****
So true. But the problem with posting `scientific evidence' like this goes much deeper at LymeNet.
Many people have posted on LymeNet about their success with Rife and KMT or similar machines. And then someone comes along with some kind of controlled study showing that it just can't work.
That is the equivalent of explaining why bumble bees can't fly according to the accepted laws of physics, while at the same time, swatting at a bumble bee flying around your head.
Symbolically, we have scores of bumble bees flying around LymeNet and yet we have a few people who still deny that it is possible...... they still rely on `scientific evidence' that is clearly WRONG.
Little wonder that `testimonials' get so much criticism here! Because testimonials are often simply people with experience who are offering firsthand authentication of a fact. And an average day at LymeNet consists of a lot of questions often answered with the equivalent of testimonials.
CaliforniaLyme, I'll use some quotes from you on a recent thread to illustrate a related point, but you are certainly not the only one who makes similar claims:
****EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS GOTTEN INTO FULL REMISSION LOCALLY THAT I KNOW OF HAS DONE IT THROUGH LONGTERM IV ROCEPHIN OR LONGTERM IV ROCPEHIN AND ORALS or orals- ANTIBIOTICS.....
****NOT A SINGLE PERSON WHO GOT INTO FULL REMISSION THAT I KNOW OF ATTRIBUTES IT TO ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES......
****ONLY ONE person I know of ever got GREAT results with just herbs- ONE person!!! ONE!!!!!!!!!!! & that is NOT FULL REMISSION!****
What are you saying here, Sarah (and others)? Are you saying that you purposely ignore and discount all the threads here at LymeNet about people getting well with alternative methods because you must rely SOLELY on what you have witnessed physically, in person?
If so, then should we all presume that none of the stories posted here on LymeNet have any credibility, and therefore we should ignore and discount your posts because most of us have not witnessed your success firsthand either?
Surely you are not suggesting that the recovering or well alternative folks here are lying or somehow delusional..... but if that is not what you are suggesting, then please explain to me what you ARE suggesting.
And please don't pull the `placebo effect' card; the percentages of success simply don't support that notion.
I'm just struggling to understand the some of the mentality here that refuses to acknowledge what is happening in the real world all around us, choosing instead to rely on `science' to explain reality to them.
Granted, we shouldn't believe everything we read nor everyone we hear from. But neither should we deny the available anecdotal evidence supporting certain treatments and therapies. Good LLMDs talk about the anecdotal evidence gleaned in their own practices all the time at conferences, because it is working with REAL PEOPLE that gives them the greatest knowledge.
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Dear Tracy,
I was a member of a great place that existed online once called sci.med.diseases.lyme which became overrun by trolls and people who pretended to be other people and who completely made up false identities for fun. YES there ARE "people" on here who are NOT real. There are "people" on here who are advertisements for companies, people who are here JUST to make money.
NOTE: I don't think Bryan or Scott are EITHER of those two things. I really don't.
But those "people", yes, they are here.
They muddy the water online.
Why is it that my exeprience with Lymies OFFline is different from on? Could be MANY reasons- could be- as I often say- regional variation-
YES, I speak only from my own experience because that is the only truth I know.
I have been taught that is the only honorable way for *me* to speak, that is my choice.
Please do not disrepect me or mock me. Thank you,
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There are three technical reasons that prove why Rife can't work:
1) The RF (Radio Frequencies) that are used have resonate wavelengths measured in feet and yards. There is no way that frequencies that long can resonate with microscopic bacteria.
2) RF is a skin effect phenomenon. It penetrates even good conductors like copper only a few thousandths of an inch. That's not even deep enough to have any effect on infections of the skin or skin structures.
3) There is no RF emanated, or a vanishingly small amount measured in micro-watts. If there was any significant RF emitted the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) would shut them down for causing RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) and operating an unlicensed radio station.
Proof that there is no RF radiated can be made with a Field Strength meter. It is not an expensive instrument and most Ham Radio operators have one.
But an easier proof can be made by noting that the RF is sent to a light bulb, coil, resistive pads or some other resistive load. These convert the RF to light and heat and are known in the RF industry as "dummy loads".
The purpose and function of dummy loads is to prevent the radiation of stray signals that would arouse the ire of the FCC. It is used by radio stations, both commercial and amateur, to 'tune-up' the transmitter before going on-air.
Confirmation of all 3 points can be found by consulting any issue of the "Commercial Radio Operators Manual" or any issue of the "Radio Amateurs Handbook". ......
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I asked someone who is an expert in electronics and has done hundreds if not thousands of experiments using the very method that cannot work for his opinion on the above statement.
His reply is below.
D Bergy
These arguments are very quaint and couched in mid 20th century understandings. I don't have time to go into how much of this is incorrect. These statements serve the intention of the web site owner that posted them. It is like saying that the world is flat 70 years after that theory was trash canned.
Here are some simple search terms anyone can use to further investigate the effects of RF on micro organisms. Just Google the search string Search Strings:
Bioelectric effect antibiotic Cellular membrane field amplification Oscillating field food treatment Conformational Coupling electric Multifrequency Dielectrophoretic Effect Electro osmosis Electro endocytosis
That's enough for now. But good web sites to search more for Oscillating field effects are:
Downloading and looking through the abstracts from the yearly BEMS societies conferences can be a real eye opener.
Something else within the string of replies associated with this ....the statement about CWD forms being non responsive to frequency treatment is not correct.
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I found one interesting reference on bioelectromagnetcs in Pub Med to the capacity of sound waves to enable antibiotics to better penetrate biofilms. In vitro, of course...the problem there is there is no reference in vivo work. And that Rife, as I have read about it, doesn't work that way..it is supposed to vibrate the bacteria to death. Also, the websites of Rife manufactures make no reference to any such scientific research. If I was selling them, and could find experimental evidence to support my claims, I would certainly use it.
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All I claim is what I know from my own experience....one with TBI does have many options. What's the success rate for chronic lyme and ABX?
Good point Pam
We need those stats.
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All I claim is what I know from my own experience....one with TBI does have many options. What's the success rate for chronic lyme and ABX?
Good point Pam
We need those stats. IMHO
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"What's the success rate for chronic lyme and ABX"
Agreed. As well we need the success rates for the various forms of alternative treatments, and the incidence of adverse consequences. Dr. J claims an 80% success rates with ABX, mostly IV ABX, I think. Dr. D has regularly published papers with success rates with oral ABX. Its a two way street.
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