What is the best quality juice to buy and where do you purchase it from?
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LymeToo swears by it*)!*)!! LymeToo where are you!!!?!??!?!?!?????????????????????
It's reputedly good re inflammation!!!
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hi...tried it, did absolutely nothing for me.
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Looks like it would help BABESIOSIS maybe-Plasmodium falciparum is a cause of malaria- ************************************************
1: Planta Med. 2006 Aug;72(10):912-6.
Prenylated xanthones as potential antiplasmodial substances.
Mahabusarakam W, Kuaha K, Wilairat P, Taylor WC. Department of Chemistry, Prince of Songkla University, Hat Yai, Songkhla, Thailand. [email protected]
Mangostin, the major xanthone of Garcinia mangostana, and a series of synthetic derivatives were investigated for their in vitro antiplasmodial activity against Plasmodium falciparum.
Mangostin itself showed moderate activity, but prenylated xanthones containing alkylamino functional groups exhibited quite potent antiplasmodial activity.
Some structure-activity relationships are proposed.
PMID: 16902859
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Brilliant find calilyme. Thanks for your endless googling. I think I will browse this journal. I just went to find the fulltext article.
I'd been thinking again how nobody has really put their mind to researching--not how to kill borrelia babesia and mycoplasmas--but simply to inhibit them by chemical messengers that are tolerable to us, and/or sugars/lectins/plant stuff that they bind to instead of our receptors.
Just need to be independently wealthy to spend the time!
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quote:Originally posted by CaliforniaLyme: Looks like it would help BABESIOSIS maybe-Plasmodium falciparum is a cause of malaria- ************************************************
1: Planta Med. 2006 Aug;72(10):912-6.
Prenylated xanthones as potential antiplasmodial substances.
Mahabusarakam W, Kuaha K, Wilairat P, Taylor WC. Department of Chemistry, Prince of Songkla University, Hat Yai, Songkhla, Thailand. [email protected]
Mangostin, the major xanthone of Garcinia mangostana, and a series of synthetic derivatives were investigated for their in vitro antiplasmodial activity against Plasmodium falciparum.
Mangostin itself showed moderate activity, but prenylated xanthones containing alkylamino functional groups exhibited quite potent antiplasmodial activity.
Some structure-activity relationships are proposed.
PMID: 16902859
WOW! I almost SOB because I haven't tried Mangosteen. I think that study is pretty huge. Has TuTu seen that?
I know she's attributed her non-relapsing of Babesia to her two months of artemisinin. Maybe it's actually her dedicated consumption of Xango, or the combination, that's made the difference for her.
Cali- maybe you could post that study as a topic for others with Babesia who wouldn't think to read this thread because they don't use mangosteen. I would think it could be helpful.
I don't think Lymetoo would do it because she sells Xango and it might be viewed by some as a sales pitch. Then again, it IS an actual scientific study that could be helpful with Babesia, maybe she would.
I think I may have to finally break down and try her Xango .
Thanks so much for posting the study, Cali.
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Been Mangosteen-ing thanks to the board for about 1 week. Using the brand ULTRA, purchased via internet, on rec of a reader. It has many helpful trace minerals in it.
I read 3 oz is enough, I toss it in my anti-Lyme breakfast concoction.
Too soon for results for me. I did learn that it is okay to take while still on abx - I was a bit worried because it was quoted in Bryan Rosner's latest book as being a strong anti-bacterial.
Here's hoping!
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Is there a mangosteen with just mangosteen? I do NOT want all the other juices they put in what I see on the web.
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quote:Originally posted by oxygenbabe: Is there a mangosteen with just mangosteen? I do NOT want all the other juices they put in what I see on the web.
You wouldn't be able to drink it if there were. The RIND which makes up more than 80% of Xango's product is very bitter.
The other juices are just for flavoring.
And to susie...If you don't buy the ORIGINAL MANGOSTEEN SUPPLEMENT, then you're wasting your money.
Then...you must drink enough of it for YOUR body and for a long enough time for it to WORK in your body.
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I know TuTu swears by her Xango. Here's a link to her profile: Profile for Lymetoo and her pm: Lymetoo - Private Message (Since it doesn't look like she's going to show up)
I had tasted Thai Mangosteen from Sam's Club & it tasted good. It was mixed with other juices.
I have no idea what it would taste like by itself, but I'd imagine an ounce might not be hard to get down even if it's gross.
Oxygenbabe, Doing a "google" I came up with these two:
I don't really know anything about any of them. I'd imagine that if the Xango would be better than straight mangosteen, for some reason, TuTu would be able to tell you.
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Mangosteen & Xanthones are Powerful Against Inflammation
Powerful Anti-Inflammatory Action Without ANY Negative Side Effects Definitely one of the most powerful natural antioxidants yet discovered, the Mangosteen also contains other benefits that are even more exciting in some ways.
Its anti-inflammatory xanthones may be responsible for providing more immediate relief than any other phytonutrients found in the fruit.
Dr. Kenneth J. Finsand has this to say: "This is probably the most famous use of all the qualities found in the mangosteen: it is by far the most powerful anti- inflammatory I have ever seen in 30 years of practice.
Research has proven this to be true, along with folk medicine history."
Also, the anti-inflammatory properties of mangosteen have been compared in strength to one of the most potent anti-inflammatory prescription drugs, Dexamethasone.
Just look at this list of possible adverse side effects from the above-mentioned drug (Dexamethasone)! - upset stomach - stomach irritation - vomiting - headache - dizziness - insomnia - restlessness - depression - anxiety - acne - increased hair growth - easy bruising - irregular or absent menstrual periods
If you experience any of the following symptoms when using prescriptions, call your doctor immediately: - skin rash - edema (swollen face, lower legs, or ankles) - vision problems - persistent cold or infection - muscle weakness - black or bloody stool
Mangosteen has NONE of the Above Side Effects!
Inflammation plays a huge role in an incredible array of common ailments: - Arthritis - Back pain - Heart attack - Headache - Multiple Sclerosis - Circulatory Impairment - any kind of infection - and many more
While inflammation can affect all tissues in the body, it is the primary mechanism underpinning diseases which attack muscles, joints and connective tissue.
Inflammation is the PRIMARY cause of PAIN!
What are the qualities of an ideal health supplement?
- Effective, it works! - Safe, no adverse side affects - No contraindications with medications - Prevention - Has broad applications
Take a closer look and you will find that the mangosteen measures up in ALL categories.
How Safe is Mangosteen? Toxicity studies were done in the laboratory with rats, using the human equivalent of 3 liters of mangosteen juice per day, with no adverse behavioral or tissue effects noted.
Also, there are no historical records of any folk medicine warnings after centuries of medicinal use of the plant in Southeast Asia.
It is always recommended that you consult your physician, if you have a known medical condition or allergy before using any food supplement. Mangosteen is safe for use by children and adults under almost any condition....
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Mangosteen has helped me the most with pain, fatigue, brain fog, allergies, and depression. It has also improved my vision. [I have proof!]
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TuTu, you must have been posting at the same time I was composing.
I knew you'd probably have a reason.
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You just did it again!
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The other one you posted can't possibly be the real deal, as it is the WRONG COLOR!!!
The whole fruit with the rind would be a red/maroon color.
And for $4.99??? Can't be. Mangosteen is the most expensive fruit on the market in Thailand. I read recently that mangosteen fruit was available in NYC....at about $10 per fruit!!
editing to add....I just saw that this one is only 4 oz!!! Our bottle contains 25 oz.
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I thought it looked odd, but I thought maybe the color in the others was from the other added juices.
Is the mangosteen in Xango concentrated or straight?
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Do you think it makes a difference if the rind was powdered first?
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Dr. Duke's Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases
Garcinia mangostana L. - Clusiaceae
--------------------- Activities:
The number in () indicates how many separate chemicals this species has for that activity, for example, Analgesic (3) indicates this species has three separate chemicals that have Analgesic activity. Select the activity to see the chemicals.
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I *would* be able to drink it. Or take a freeze dried capsule. The other fruit juices are cheap, worthless, and add sugar to someone who has serious fungal issues and gets bladder burning whenever she drinks fruit juices.
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I didn't see antiplasmodial or antiprotozoal listed. Were you aware of that study CaliforniaLyme posted?
I'm wondering if the combo of the Xango & art was key for your beating Babesia. Were you taking the Xango back when you did the artemisinin?
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quote:Originally posted by AliG: Do you think it makes a difference if the rind was powdered first?
yes .. I would think it means they extracted it. In the "X" product, they just grind up the whole fruit. Contains the seeds and everything.
Concentrated or "straight"? I'm not sure of the question, but maybe I answered it above?? They just grind it up and add the other juices for flavoring.
I know someone who took the pills....forget it, they said! Doesn't work.
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quote:Originally posted by AliG: I didn't see antiplasmodial or antiprotozoal listed. Were you aware of that study CaliforniaLyme posted?
I'm wondering if the combo of the Xango & art was key for your beating Babesia. Were you taking the Xango back when you did the artemisinin?
Yes, I was aware of it. You can go to PubMed and type in "mangostana" or "xanthones + mangosteen" for more of the studies .. or go to the site I gave above.
Yes, I was on Xango when I took the art. Hmmmmm....It did disappear in about 2 months, after having treated it over and over for several years prior to the Xango.
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quote:Originally posted by oxygenbabe: I *would* be able to drink it. Or take a freeze dried capsule. The other fruit juices are cheap, worthless, and add sugar to someone who has serious fungal issues and gets bladder burning whenever she drinks fruit juices.
I have IC and it RELIEVES my pain bigtime!
The fructose content is 2.7 grams per ounce. You only need a few ounces per day. [as in 2 or 3]
And if you noticed above, it is anti-fungal.
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Holy cow, while I was posting so many other posts came in.
I'll have to do some research. I don't believe Xango is the only useful product out there, or that I have to drink products that contain fruit juices other than mangosteen...
For those without candida/fungi problems its fine. Honestly, LymeToo, you have no idea how bad my candida problem is....it's the whole reason I can't tolerate amoxicillin high dose, which is *wonderful* for my lyme and no herxes, but you have no idea how bad it is for me. It's the whole reason I've been stalled all these years and doing altmed. So no way am I going to drink a product with other sugary juices added in.
Thanks tho for pointing out how it helped you.
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You should check & see if 2 months of art took care of Babs for others and if not, did anyone else use the two things in combo.
Maybe you can sell the Xango to the WHO. If you do, I want a cut for giving you the idea! Man, just think of the $$ they could probably save!!!
Hey, wait a minute. You've still been taking the Xango consistently. I wonder if you stopped, if it would recrudesce...
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quote:Originally posted by AliG: Hey, wait a minute. You've still been taking the Xango consistently. I wonder if you stopped, if it would recrudesce...
I have no clue and I "ain't" a gonna find out!!!
Sorry about your yeast issues, oxygen. I'm susceptible to it myself. If I have trouble, I cut out all sugar/carbs and continue to drink the juice.
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I have had horrible Candida yeast and was worried about the Xango also. When I first started taking it, I sipped it over say a 15 minute period.
Now I gulp it down and it doesn't bother my stomach. What does bother my stomach is too many high glycemic carbs. For some reason, the small amount in the Xango doesn't bother me.
The reason I know it isn't the Xango is when I concentrate on eating well for about a week, all the stomach issues go away even though I'm taking 3 oz. 3 times a day which is more than most take.
Anyway, that's my stomach story. Now if I could just stay away from bread and homemade desserts that I've had to make for various occasions lately, I would be fine!
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Wikipedia has a good piece on mangosteen. So it appears the "exocarp" or inedible rind is what has the benefits.
And here is an interesting NY Times article....it looks like it is being grown and imported from Puerto Rico (non irradiated). Interesting story.
August 9, 2006 Forbidden? Not the Mangosteen By DAVID KARP
LAS VEGAS, P.R.
PERCHED on a dizzyingly steep slope, in a lush landscape dotted with waterfalls and tall bamboo, Ian Crown celebrated the vindication of what he called his madness in a patch in the jungle. He rustled through the thick, glossy leaves of a nine-foot-tall tree, plucked a reddish-purple orb, cut around its equator, twisted off a hemisphere of thick rind, and popped a few delicate, snow-white segments into his mouth.
``I've waited so long for this moment,'' he said in July, savoring the floral, sweet-tart flavor of one of the most delicious of fruits, and certainly the most hyped: the mangosteen.
For decades it has been famously, tantalizingly unavailable on the United States mainland, but Mr. Crown's Panoramic Fruit Company has sent several test shipments in the past month to New York and Los Angeles. Sherry Yard, the pastry chef at Spago Beverly Hills, was thrilled to be able to taste a few. ``This is like seeing a unicorn,'' she said.
By next summer Mr. Crown hopes to be the first producer in decades to ship fresh mangosteens to the mainland commercially.
Native to Indonesia and Malaysia, mangosteen trees require a highly tropical, humid climate, and they cannot be grown commercially in the contiguous United States, although a few determined enthusiasts have coddled them to fruiting in the warmest parts of Florida.
Because fresh mangosteens can harbor insect pests, the Department of Agriculture prohibits their being brought from the main countries that grow them in Southeast Asia, or from Hawaii. (Mangosteens smuggled from Canada, where they are permitted because tropical pests cannot survive there, are occasionally sold in Chinatown.)
But contrary to its reputation as a forbidden fruit, the mangosteen can be imported legally from 18 Caribbean and Central America countries, as well as from Puerto Rico. Until recently, however, no one cultivated them commercially in those areas.
Enter Mr. Crown, 54, a doctor's son with a bachelor's degree in agriculture from Cornell University. After working for garden centers he became a commodities broker, and now is a private investor living in Connecticut with his wife and two cats.
In 1994, beguiled by the romance of old coffee mansions in the jungle, he looked to invest in a Puerto Rican farm. While researching crops to provide shade for coffee trees, he became excited by the promise of exotic fruit farming, and bought a 94-acre livestock ranch in the foothills east of Mayag�ez, which he planted with mangosteen, rambutan, longan and other Asian fruits.
Mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana) is difficult to propagate by convenient methods like grafting, and when raised from seed takes 8 to 10 years or longer to bear fruit, a major disincentive for aspiring growers.
``It's incredibly irritating,'' Mr. Crown said.
After much searching he obtained mangosteen seeds and seedlings from Hawaii and Florida, babied the young trees for two years in a shaded nursery, and planted them on his farm. He then found, to his dismay, that young mangosteens have weak roots. At the time he did not have irrigation, and more than half died. ``The attrition was terrible,'' he said. ``I learned everything the `two-by-four in the forehead' way.''
Things got worse. In 1997 local youths burned most of his plantings to the ground, and in 1998 Hurricane Georges swept through like ``a weed whacker combined with a vacuum cleaner,'' he said. He was devastated, but started over from scratch.
Now, finally, he is rejoicing in his first real mangosteen harvest. Of the 1,000 mangosteen trees scattered around his property -- they would fill 10 acres if planted together -- 35 trees bore a total of 200 pounds in July. Future yields should increase exponentially. (Several exotic fruit buffs in his area grow mangosteens, but no one else in Puerto Rico has a commercial orchard.)
Despite their thick rinds, mangosteens need pampering, and even then can develop problems like gamboge, a bitter yellow resin that seeps into the pulp, and translucent flesh, which can be caused by fluctuating rains and high humidity.
When commercial sales start next year, Mr. Crown will send the fruit by FedEx, after federal inspection, to two specialty produce distributors, Baldor in New York and Melissa's in Los Angeles.
``I'd love to be able to put them on the menu,'' S�bastien Rouxel, the pastry chef at Per Se, said after tasting samples.
Mr. Crown's venture is the latest chapter in the century-long saga of Americans craving and attempting to grow mangosteen.
It first was planted in Puerto Rico in 1903, and a 1925 article in The New York Times trumpeted that this ``wondrous fruit of the East'' would soon be available on the mainland from tropical America. But in 1963 another article lamented that ``it remains as scarce as ever.'' In 1970 Lincoln A. Martin, a mangosteen aficionado, imported considerable quantities from the United Fruit planting in Lancetilla, Honduras, then the largest in the Western Hemisphere. The fruit ``made quite a splash,'' recalled Frieda Caplan, the distributor; but it required fumigation, which made it susceptible to rapid spoilage, curtailing the experiment, Mr. Martin said.
By next year there may be other sources of mangosteen in the United States as well. On July 26 the Agriculture Department's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service published a proposed rule to allow fresh mangosteen and five other fruits to be imported from Thailand after being irradiated, which sterilizes insect pests. Final approval of the rule would take at least six months, possibly a year, said Inder Paul Gadh, senior risk manager for the agency.
Thailand, which has 115,000 acres of mangosteens, hopes to complete a commercial irradiation facility by next summer -- peak mangosteen season -- said Rapibhat Chandarasrivongs, agricultural minister-counselor at the Thai Embassy in Washington.
Mr. Crown said that he anticipated the cheaper imports and that he should be able to compete with them by selling fresher, nonirradiated fruit.
Fresh mangosteen may just be starting to arrive here, but since 2002, nutritional supplement purveyors have aggressively marketed high-priced mangosteen juice blends for their purported medical benefits, fueling an improbable boom. Southeast Asians have long used mangosteen rind as a traditional remedy for various ailments, and laboratory studies indicate that chemicals in the rind called xanthones show promise in combating bacteria, fungi, inflammation, free radicals and cancer.
So far there have been only very few tests on animals, and no human clinical trials, but many vendors make unsubstantiated claims, based largely on anecdotal evidence.
Many purveyors sell through multilevel marketing, a sometimes controversial business model in which distributors earn commissions from new recruits. Mangosteen elixirs, made with pur�es of the whole fruit, are pricey, ranging from $17 to $40 for about 24 ounces, especially since they primarily contain other fruit juices and have little mangosteen flavor.
Nevertheless, seizing on the recent vogue for exotic ``fruitaceuticals'' like noni, goji, and a�a�, mangosteen beverage sellers have flourished, particularly XanGo, a private company that says it has 600 employees, and 500,000 independent distributors worldwide.
XanGo does not disclose sales, but Grant Ferrier, editor of Nutrition Business Journal, estimated that the company sold $200 million of mangosteen beverages in 2005 worldwide, and accounted for 80 percent of the domestic market. Other brands, like Mango-xan, are sold directly at health food stores and groceries; in June, Adam Heller, another mangosteen maven, began selling pure juice at mangosteens.com.
Mr. Crown, who reserved the domain name mangosteen.com in 1998 and recently began using that site to educate customers, said he has been bombarded with requests by supplement marketers to buy the site's name. He has no intention of selling, and is skeptical about medical claims for mangosteen. Indeed, at the moment of his triumph he is suspended between elation and paranoia, afraid of intruders on his farm and of being hounded by desperate mangosteen fans while his trees are taking their own sweet time to bear fruit.
``I'm mulling going into hiding,'' he said.
There's something about the mangosteen, amplified by its longtime unavailability, that has driven its devotees to obsession and hyperbole. Thus Rudyard Kipling wrote in 1902, entranced by the fruit's mystique, ``You'll know what my riddle means / When you've eaten mangosteens.''
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Sounds like he needs to TRY the juice and SEE if it works!!
Having the mangosteen fruit available for consuming locally doesn't do any of us much good. The inner fruit is delicious [I hear] and the rind is inedible. [the fruit has little medicinal effect]
The rind can be brewed into a tea....but you won't find ME drinking it!!
Interesting article. Pretty much explains why the fruit is so expensive....and it only comes ripe twice a year.
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I have to say, I am very intrigued by mangosteen! ************************************************* 1: Phytomedicine. 2005 Mar;12(3):203-8.Links
Antibacterial activity of alpha-mangostin against vancomycin resistant Enterococci (VRE) and synergism with antibiotics.
Sakagami Y, Iinuma M, Piyasena KG, Dharmaratne HR.Osaka Prefectural Institute of Public Health, Osaka, Japan. [email protected]
alpha-Mangostin, isolated from the stem bark of Garcinia mangostana L., was found to be active against vancomycin resistant Enterococci (VRE) and methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), with MIC values of 6.25 and 6.25 to 12.5 microg/ml, respectively.
Our studies showed synergism between alpha-mangostin and gentamicin (GM) against VRE, and alpha-mangostin and vancomycin hydrochloride (VCM) against MRSA.
Further studies showed partial synergism between alpha-mangostin and commercially available antibiotics such as ampicillin and minocycline.
These findings suggested that alpha-mangostin alone or in combination with GM against VRE and in combination with VCM against MRSA might be useful in controlling VRE and MRSA infections.
PMID: 15830842
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Tutu, as they call you in the vernacular , the fruit (white pulp) has no medicinal value. It's only the rind.
So...maybe one could take the freeze dried rind in a capsule. I wonder why Eclectic Institute is not making this. They make a nice noni and a nice acai.
I remember talking to the naturopath at Eclectic when I somewhat overdosed on their freeze dried cranberry (chewing the capsules like candy). He thought it would be okay as it was a 3-5 times more concentrated version of the fruit, but he also noted, cranberry is a bog fruit, it makes stuff to protect itself in that environment. Sounds like mangosteen is similar, the rind protects it from fungi and bacteria.
Well I'll research a little more later. As I said, wikipedia article is very useful (just google mangosteen wikipedia)
quote:Originally posted by DallasGal30: Can you see real benefit from it?
What symptoms are being relieved by consuming it?
What is the best quality juice to buy and where do you purchase it from?
TIA!
My favorite subject!!
Yes re real benefits: drinking a small amount of Ultra mangosteen(with water) stopped eye muscle pain and blurry focus in one hour, and light sensitivity 24 hours later, such that I was able to take off the dark specs I had worn for two decades!
Then my intestines emptied out for three days, and ever since, they have been regular like a baby's. Without drinking the juice every day(a couple ounces, with water), I'd be Lyme-constipated.
Then four days later, my gums did not bleed anymore when I brushed them.
If I stop drinking the juice, these benefits begin to reverse. So for me, the juice is my medicine.
Re best quality juice question, XanGo is the strongest. When I drink a very small amount of it, my vision gets even sharper.
However, I am unable to drink hardly any XanGo without herxing -- ie, a headache. I would guess this is because I have had Lyme for so long and I have not been able to treat it very well, since I seem to be allergic to most antibiotics. I am now considering my next Lyme-treating experiments.
So, I would add this to the conversation here: it may depend on where you are in your battle with Lyme as to whether you can handle the strength of the XanGo or not.
My favorite brands are Ultra mangosteen and Mango-xan. Ultra is cheapest online through vitacost and herbalremedies. Ultra has 6g sugar, but has not bothered my candida, that I know of. Mango-xan has 2g sugar, so is more tart. I pick up a bottle of it from time to time in healthfood stores.
I prefer how I feel from drinking Ultra -- kind of a high, even. It also has 70 minerals added from Utah seabeds, via the addition of the Trace Minerals product, which causes my nails to harden. I was familiar with the Trace Minerals liquid product before I ever drank the Ultra mangosteen juice.
I am allergic to ingredients in some of the other mangosteen juices. We're all different in what we tolerate.
I'd like to end with a clarifying question, in that I'm still a little confused about what I'm actually drinking in the Ultra mangosteen and mango-xan.
Both juices work for me, so they must have some powerful xanthone activity in them. The Ultra ingredients list mangosteen whole fruit extract and mangosteen extract. The mango-xan lists reconstituted mangosteen puree from mangosteen whole fruit.
Ny question is, and maybe, you know, Tutu: did they put the rind in these ingredients or not? If they did, then we are benefiting from it. If they didn't, then I am still clearly benefiting from xanthones in the rest of the fruit.
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From my research yesterday, there are no xanthones in the pulp of the fruit, only in the "exocarp" ie rind so your mango-stan must have the rind, too.
Tutu, one would need to find out how the powder is processed (I would anyway). Herbs for instance can be very powerful and they're essentially dried roots, leaves and flowers. If the firm is reputable and can freeze dry or spray dry properly, it would retain xanthones. Especially from a rind. I'm assuming xanthones don't degrade like vitamins (all juices lose vitamins and enzymes quickly--esp. when pasteurized, and bottled.
I certainly have found freeze dried cranberry capsules effective (as compared to juice, which apparently is also effective).
It just takes a bit of research, I'll try to do it. I know that for most people without *SEVERE* systemic fungal issues, 2 grams of sugar would not be a problem. But for me, it just adds to the burden, and I hate bladder symptoms esp. I also get fatigue and itchy. I just don't drink fruit juices and I stay away from most fruit.
Edit: The contact at Royal Tropics has answered a few of my questions by email:
Hello, the mangosteen powder is 100% whole mangosteen fruit powder, pericarp, seeds, and fruit. We tray dry the fruit and then grind it into a fine powder. Let me know if I can answer any other questions. Thanks, Peter
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Robin said, "Both juices work for me, so they must have some powerful xanthone activity in them. The Ultra ingredients list mangosteen whole fruit extract and mangosteen extract." Both are extracts, so do not contain all of the xanthones, and all of the enzymes."
The mango-xan lists reconstituted mangosteen puree from mangosteen whole fruit. That means it was dried, then water was added back to it.
Ny question is, and maybe, you know, Tutu: did they put the rind in these ingredients or not? If they did, then we are benefiting from it. If they didn't, then I am still clearly benefiting from xanthones in the rest of the fruit. According to one of the best experts on the mangosteen fruit, you are missing some of the xanthones when something is extracted and/or reconstituted.
He says it's the SYNERGISTIC effect of all 43 Xanthones working together that make the BIG X very effective. More info and research here: www.mangosteenmd.com www.thewholefruit.com
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I bought some "Mangosteen 100" from 'Genesis Today' brand today...30 bucks for a 32 oz bottle, says it is 100 from percent whole mangosteen fruit, including inner and outer rind and pulp, with no other ingredients.
I obviously want to try this, and will probably just go for it, but I am leary of further traumatizing my gut or making herx worse...I am already on zithro, mepron, and plaquinil, IBU, etc...
yet another expensive item to cram down my throat.
LM
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Hi, I can't seem to find the website that gives the actual facts, price per bottle, exact contents with added filling ingredients, size of bottle, etc., where bottled. Where does the filling material (water, juices/what kind) come from?
I tried to find this out with the famous Goji juice until I discovered that grape juice and others made up a substantial part of the juice for a huge price. Bottled in California. I am now chewing on a wonderful dried Goji berry, organically grown, for $20 a pound. It keeps me busy many hours just chewing. I also soak them like raisins and put them in my morning mousse for a change of taste.
I am also using the freeze dried mangosteen/no other ingredients (reportable) that Trader Joe carries. It is a wonderful snack.
Just interested. If it is such a good product, why do they need multi-marketing to sell it? I try to stay away from almost anything connected with multi-marketing. It reminds me of Amway.
Thank you for any pointers.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Hi, I can't seem to find the website that gives the actual facts, price per bottle, exact contents with added filling ingredients, size of bottle, etc., where bottled. Where does the filling material (water, juices/what kind) come from?
Hi GiGi
here's the ingredient info:
XanGo Ingredients: Reconstituted garcinia mangostana juice from whole fruit puree, apple juice concentrate, pear juice concentrate, grape juice concentrate, pear puree, blueberry juice concentrate, raspberry juice concentrate, strawberry juice concentrate, cranberry juice concentrate, cherry juice concentrate, citric acid, natural flavor, pectin, xanthan gum, sodium benzoate.
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Fluid Oz. (30 ml) Servings Per Container: 25
Calories 10 Calories from fat 0 Total fat 0 g Sodium 0 mg Total Carbohydrates 3 g Sugars 2 g Protein 0 g
*Percent Daily Values not established.
I'm also turned off by the marketing (and price) of it, but would give it a shot if it didn't have strawberry in it which I react to. even though it's probably a tiny amount, I also try to avoid things with sodium benzoate.
"natural flavor" is always vague to me too and I've heard that "natural" and artificial flavorings are produced at the same chemical plant. some companies refuse to verify their sources of natural flavoring. (not implying Xango is one of them..I have no idea)
I've tried both the Ultra Mangosteen and the MangoXan and they taste great, but I always forget to drink it consistently enough to know whether or not it would have any impact on my health.
for the XanGo, I think one bottle is about $45 incl shipping. a case of 4 bottles is about $150, incl wholesale membership fee and shipping - with the case you get a money-back guarantee.
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I'm sorry, but no matter what anybody claims, there are a lot of other fruit juice "concentrates" in there that I believe are in there to cut the cost to the manufacturers and improve the taste to the customer, and I think this product is just too expensive.
I thought that whole fruit/rind freeze dried powder I found was interesting & cheaper. Haven't bought it though.
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well after reading so many good things about Mangosteen over the last few months, I decided to order some Xango.
I am still waiting for it to arrive. I really hope it helps. I have to admit I am not a big holistic type person, not that there is anything wrong with that.
I really wish it was a lot cheaper.. I havent worked in 6 months!
But if it works it would be worth it.
I will let you all know what I think of it. I hear it takes a few months to really know how it will work.
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Referral marketing is the best marketing tool there is for a new product. Would you rather spend millions in advertising or "hire" real people to tell other people about a great product?
Xango outsells all others by a wide margin. Guess why?
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Not to say these xanthones aren't very interesting. But there's a lot of hype surrounding these MLM products and they're overpriced. Just my two cents.
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Lymetoo, you know I love ya, but to me most MLM seem too similar to the illegal pyramid schemes except in this case selling a (hopefully) legitimate product...but the high costs still exploit others (incl distributors), usually only benefiting those at the very top.
But I am intrigued by the healing benefits of Mangosteen and appreciate your personal success story.
oxygenbabe, thanks for the info..let us know if you try the freeze dried version.
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