SForsgren
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There is no information I have seen on a web site about it. My test results are on my site and the contact information for the lab is also available there. Unfortunately, I cannot post a link to it here on Lymenet.
I have not yet heard criticism about false positives there. Seems like they do find alot, but in my case for example, they did not find Babesia even though an IgeneX FISH did in the same period of time.
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disturbedme
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I had the Fry co-infection panel done.
I got all negatives except for Bartonella which came back positive.
My picture:
My LLMD is the one who thought it would have been good to do. I didn't know you could get false positives. I thought if a positive was a positive, then it's definitely positive?!
Anyway, I'm glad I had it done... I will have to ask my LLMD about false positives though.
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I haven't checked it myself as the only test I have ever had is the ELISA, and I think that is a joke for the most part.
I have no money to test, and my duck won't give me any test. He believes I was cured in 2000 with 24 days of Cipro, and that is it, end of story. Don't matter HOW I feel. I MUST be something else, though he has no clue what it would be.
So any other test is just something I dream about.
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Hi there- I'm actually not barksplinter, but his wife. But I'm in a hurry this morning and I just wanted to respond real quick to this post. Eventually I'll get registered too.
Anyway, three of us in our family did the Fry basic co-infection test because we have Lyme, my son and I came up with Babesia, which wasn't a real big surprise, but my husband's came up negative.
After my husband talked to his LLMD, she wanted to treat him for Babesia anyway, because of the very high liklihood that he has it anyway, being married to me.
Also, we met with Dr. Fry and he did explain that while looking at the smear, there is a possibility of getting a negative, simply because in that "particular" sample there was nothing to see.
So, at this point we don't know if my husband has Bab or not, but we'll see how he does on the meds.
So, what I take from it is, if you see something on the smear, it's there (babesia shows up in the RBC and easy to see with his stain) bartonella shows up as little spheres outside the RBC's. I haven't seen Ehrlichia. ) But if it's negative, you're not necessarily really negative.
Anyway, for what it's worth, that was our experience with the whole thing.
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SForsgren
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Interesting debate about sexual transmission of Babesia. My LLMD suggesets that it is very rare and I believe the number tossed out was something like 1 in 5000 cases possibly.
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cantgiveupyet
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Did anyones insurance reimburse for the fry lab blood smears?
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Can't, I seriously doubt it because I do not think they are approved/certified yet. I think they are still considered a "research" lab. That might be just exactly what he prefers, too. I haven't used them, so will welcome being corrected if that's not right!!
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Labs
MDL Igenex Labs Bowen Lab Bowen Lab Forms Protocol BowenNewSite LymeResearch IGeneX Which Tests to Perform? Dr Fry Post Dr Fry Link to Airpark Medical Center
Page 2 under labs in newbie links.
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SForsgren
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My insurance covered the test.
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Thanks, Tree!
EXCELLENT work you do on the Newbie Links, by the way.....
Is the jury still out on Central Florida Research and the flow-cytometry test?
Scott, that's very interesting that your insurance covered the Fry Lab testing.... I'm a bit shocked, frankly.
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kelmo
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Wow, my insurance didn't cover. And, I'm a patient!
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my doc recomended the fry labs bartonella screen. it cost $300!
he said he's seen a lot of positives with it that weren't caught with other tests.
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disturbedme
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quote:Originally posted by cidanu: my doc recomended the fry labs bartonella screen. it cost $300!
he said he's seen a lot of positives with it that weren't caught with other tests.
We may have the same doc! Dr. G, maybe?
I had the Fry lab and they caught Bartonella even though we really didn't think I had it.
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cantgiveupyet
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Thanks Scott that is good to know.
Do you happen to have Aetna?
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kelmo
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I have Aetna
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Which testing is most useful from Fry for a patient with Lyme and possible Bartonella or Babesia?
Is Fry effective in these, and if so which tests should I order, and what is the cost? Does Medicare reimburse patients if they send in the form?
Is Fry good with Lyme or Babesia or other co-infections?
Igenex? Which tests? Costs?
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Hubby has BCBS insurance -- they paid most of the lab cost (reasonable and customary amount).
I agree with some previous posters -- if something shows on a bloodslide then it is a "real" positive. Antibody tests are more questionable.
A negative bloodslide could be a false negative.
Hubby had 2 bloodslides done last year several months apart. First was positive for both Babesia and Bartonella. After treatment for Babs 2nd bloodslide only showed Bart.
But 6 months later new LLMD thought hubby still had Babs. Pretty sure LLMD was right -- retreating Babs now and will retest in another month or two.
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kelmo
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I had a negative blood slide the first time. Did six months of abx, due to symptoms, then did another blood slide. It was positive.
I go to the doctor who owns the lab. He thinks that the abx broke through the biofilm and got the bugs out of hiding.
I was only positive on band 41 of the WB.
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DebAz
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Hi.. I found this post that has a picture from someone who went to fry lab. I may post mine to compare... I have those results as well...
Interesting..
My insurance pays for it all...
Thanks for this post. I know it is old but I am seeing him next week or so and am interested in keep this thread going and will be asking about the new bug issue. He did tell me the name and why he is choosing that name and I did not write it down and sorry I can not tell you now.. But I will on or after the 15th
seekhelp
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I had no idea the blood smear may be covered by insurance. That's whole different thing now. Maybe it's worth pursuing. I have BCBS PPO insurance. I know all policies are different of course.
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hiker53
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Fry is cheaper than Clongen, but it seems Clongen can offer more tests, although you do not get a photo. www.clongen.com I do not know if insurance covers clongen, but my insurance covered part of the Fry lab tests.
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seekhelp
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How many of you were reimbursed some portion for the Fry Blood Smear by your insurer? PLEASE be specific. I do not mean antibody tests or PCR tests. I mean just the $295 blood smear.
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DebAz
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My insurance paid 100 percent.. BCBSAZ PPO But I will add I also have MEdicare and though my doctor opts out which results in BCBS becoming secondary and they pick up the rest of the bill..
It may have a connection. So take that into consideration but BCBSAZ does cover all my labs and also I have co pays of 35 per doctor visit and either 15 35 or 65 for meds...
It is a great Insurance for me. I am a self pay self employed do not get it through a complany.
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