heiwalove
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most people on lymenet aren't going to like that you posted this here, but i for one adore SICKO, and adore michael moore, and can't wait to purchase the DVD when funds allow. !!!
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Boomerang
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I pass too!
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Thanks!
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ByronSBell 2007
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I have heard some good things about that movie, just wish he wasn't so liberal.
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i want to see it; our LOCAL LIBRARY will be having 2 evenings airing in their auditorium. i'm going to try then unless the LOUD NOISE SPEKERS drive me away.
signed up for it; can view it in library with speakers on.
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MM has every right to make his point. However any solution that involves more government I'm going to disagree with and foment disobedience if it comes about...
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Didn't care for his other movies but am going to see this one....then pass my opinion!!! Posts: 4258 | From over there | Registered: Jul 2001
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David95928
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Regardless one's political bent, the incontrovertible fact is that we outspend any other nation by twice as much on health care and rank in the mid thrities in terms of objective measures of health of the population. How can that be acceptable?
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CaliforniaLyme
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LOVED IT!*)!*)*!! !*)!*)!)!*)!*)!~!
Thank you*)!*)!
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Does he mention Lyme in the documentary? What about electrical sensitivities, or am I pushing it?
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heiwalove
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no, of course not tailz. it's a very general (and very heartwrenching) documentary about how completely screwed up our healthcare and insurance industries are. to delve into the specifics of things like lyme and EMFs, the film would have to be about 569384 hours long.
I think he gave the impression that Canada, Great Britan and France have "perfect" health systems.
(Except for mentioning that Canadians have to wait months for some appointments and medical procedures--including operations. Seems that could be rather easily remedied. Is there a surgeon / doctor shortage?)
In the US no one knows how many have been turned down for cancer treatment and other medical conditions
That's a very big deal. Just look at us. Do we know how many have been turned down for proper Lyme treatment? Multimillions have Lyme. It's hardly on the 6:00 news.
Health insurance companies can pay for treatment for whoever they want. That has little to do with our health.
Afterall, what's insurance for?
I think Michael Moore is a hero for making people aware of what's going on, and in relation to other countries, too.
I think we need to support more not-for-profit insurance companies that could act sort of like Medicare Advantage Plans--but for every citizen. You'd buy a Medicare Advantage plan, similar to what you do now.
But Medicare--for every citizen--would be free.
However, a Medicare--type of nationwide plan needs to have the bull slashed, to make it understandable by all. And they have to dispense with as much paperwork as possible.
If a doctor is rather stumped, he or she would have--say--three weeks to come up with an accurate diagnosis in writing--none of this "it's all in your head" stuff. Or, with a few or several possible diagnosis, a written list. A legal document. That would be mandatory.
This would include a patient giving the doctor a long list of all signs and symptoms--it would be notarized!
Then the patient, who knows their own signs and symptoms better than any doctor, could take that doctor's list and hit the Internet, trying to figure out for themselves what they could have.
By law the patient would give a written, notarized response, something simple,like: No, I don't think I have this and that because it doesn't fit my symptoms. But maybe such and such--yes, I may have that! (Or something not on the list.)
The doctor would have to refer the patient to whatever specialists are appropriate for the list, plus for the patients input/list.
The doctor and the patient would be working off the same page. No more 10 minute office visits times 30 visits, just getting a diagnosis. You'd get an hour or two office visit, right off, to begin to determine immediatly what's really wrong.
Preventive medicine would be to the doctors advantage.
These lists, plus the patients' list of signs and symptoms, could be gathered from all patients (anonymously) and looked over by a nationwide board of specialists.
Docs not cutting the grade get fired.
Patients who are deemed by their doctor as making up signs and symptoms would have this right: the burden of evidence would rest with the doctor.
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If we had national health care, we still wouldn't get treated for Lyme.
I think the health of our population is a direct result of what we eat.
Diabetes is rampant because of our American diets....and nobody is listening.
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Lymetoo,
Yes, what we eat is crucial to helping prevent many diseases and conditions; and in being a part of treatment for some diseases/conditions we do have.
However, I did not get Chronic Lyme because of what I ate.
In fact, Lyme lay in my body for 9 years and then--BAM, I got signs and symptoms. I was severely low thyroid, at the time, the result of no diagnoses for decades. In my mind, this bad doctoring resulted in Lyme disease via being low thyroid.
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I can't stand him, and will not see one of his movies!
He has a huge agenda and its not to benefit anyone but himself and his socialistic views.
I live VERY close to Cananda they have very crappy health care. They pay basically 19% sales tax. Healthcare is never free. I don't want to give the government more money so they can pi$$ it away.
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Universal Healthcare, or as some have advocated, free healthcare will provide you exactly what you pay for.
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David95928
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So, are Canadian citizens clammoring for a system similar to ours? Really, I don't know.
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RoadRunner
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everyone should have health care in this country if you are poor or rich. no one in this country should be without it. the system is broken it needs to be fixed. no body said to make it like the Canadians or any other country but the U.S.A. needs to get better health care so just fix it and make it better then other countries.
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Yes Sicko" is an important film, and one that no doubt is of interest to those suffering with Lyme!
However, we should reserve this forum ("medical questions") for discussion of Lyme treatment, and perhaps peripheral medical issues, since so much is related to Lyme. Despite the title and subject of this film, I think this discussion really should be in "Off Topic", or, perhaps, in "General Support". On my computer, at least, Lymenet is set up well enough that this isn't such a huge effort!
As to whether the other forums get read as much, well, maybe; at the critical stages of Lyme one has no time to do anything but search for answers on medical problems or feel supported, by at least the Lyme community, since such support is seriously absent from the present medical system (the subject of "Sicko", but, at that point, one does not appreciate movie reviews!)
Later on, as one is "fading back into the world", such discussions can be cognitively stimulating. Thus, by then, more attention is paid to "off topic" (and remember, if one wants to remain ignorant of a topic, or finds it too depressing, nobody ever said one has to open it!).
So, anyway, let's try to direct posts to their most appropriate forum. Many of us would really appreciate that!
Sincerely, DaveS
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