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I feel pretty comfortable with the decision, even tho I didnt make the decision until I was actually standing in line after my shift was over(you need to either get the shot or not but must sign a refusal sheet if you dont) I figure my symptoms, even those that are returning since my 2 mo of abx have ended, are livable and pretty mild, and it scared me to wonder if the shot could or would trigger something I dont need. This will be my first year in 12 years not getting it and I work in nursing care with the elderly, so hopefully the flu doesnt come to the facility. (But almost every resident also gets the shot) Now I will hope for the best... also, a side note...I found a cute little ceramic half a lemon at a yard sale and painted it lime green and painted the words "little lymie" on it(like my siggy line) Its on my window sill at the kitchen sink and it reminds me to be kind to myself.
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Good for you, Little Lymie! A friend in London got the shot & she
has been ill for about a month & a half. I would avoid any
vaccinations. You never know what is in them.
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I happily got my shot today. My arm hurts, but I'll take that over a month or two of a respiratory infection which is what happens when I get the flu.
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I relapse further when I get the flu shot. It also has thermisol or mercury preservtive in it.
To avoid getting colds or the flu, try a product called EPICOR. It takes 30 days to 90 days to reach its effectiveness, but it strengthens the immune system against viruses. Do the research. I've been on it 5 months. It also helps with allergies. Every little bit helps.
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Citizens of the world are becoming very concerned about the safety and the actual usefulness of vaccines. Some of the questions being asked are: 1. Do vaccines actually provide protection against disease? 2. Are vaccines safe for healthy people, never mind those who are already sick or frail? 3. Do vaccines unfavorably alter the immune system? 4. Are many of our degenerative diseases at least partially due to the ever growing number of vaccines? 5. Do the scare tactics being used by our government health agencies have more to do with profit than promoting the health of it's citizens?
Dr. Viera Scheibner, a well known vaccine critic, tells us; " There is no evidence whatsoever of the ability of vaccines to prevent any diseases. To the contrary, there is a great wealth of evidence that they cause serious side effects."
Another quote by John B. Classen M.D., M.B.A. states "My data proves that the studies used to support immunization are so flawed that it is impossible to say if immunization provides a net benefit to anyone or to society in general. The question can only be determined by proper studies which have never been performed. The flaw of previous studies is that there is no long term followup and chronic toxicity was not looked at. The American Society of Microbiology has promoted my research and thus acknowledges the need for proper studies."
The vaccine companies are well aware that the possible long term harmful effects of vaccines would be very difficult if not impossible to prove. An anonymous pharmaceutical employee spoke in an interview with Jon Rappoport ( Nexus Magazine, vol 13, Number2, Feb-March 2006) and admitted that no long term studies are performed on any vaccines.
When defining vaccine reactions, the reaction time slot is limited to a brief period following the vaccination. This sets up the belief that when someone becomes sick somewhere down the road, that the illness could not possibly be due to the vaccination they received several months or years before.
Not only are there no formal studies on the long term effects of single vaccines but obviously there would be no way to research all the long term effects of the ever increasing number of vaccine combinations. How do they react with each other? How many is too many?
I can speak from personal experience regarding the harm done by the Smith-Kline Beecham/Yale Lyme vaccine (Lymerix). I have brought up this issue in previous articles but I feel it is especially relevant to this discussion.
Several years ago when Smith-Kline Beecham was developing a vaccine for Lyme Disease, the company was aware of the fact that 30% of the population carries a genetic marker which would predispose the recipients of this vaccine to an immune arthritis that would be worse than Lyme disease itself and would be incurable. However, this information was not made available to the general public.
When the company began marketing and making this product available to the public, many Lyme disease doctors and advocates who were aware of this issue ,tried to warn people and make the facts available to them so they could decide for themselves whether they wanted to take the risk of being vaccinated. On two occasions I stood outside grocery stores handing out this free information. Several people told me that they were in the vaccine trials and were now sick with chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia.
The vaccines were being sold and administered at drug stores, grocery stores, etc. To my knowledge there were no doctors on the scene to warn the prospective vaccinees of the dangers they could be facing. I also did not notice any written materials being handed out explaining the risks. People who currently have Lyme, or had Lyme in the past, were also at risk, but were not told this.
Even if they were informed there are thousands of people out there who have no clue that the Lyme microbe resides in their body. Lyme testing is so inaccurate that it misses a very large percentage of the people with chronic Lyme.
Around that time The Lyme Disease Foundation, located in Connecticut,held their annual conference. One of the speakers was a representative from Smith-Kline Beecham. We were expecting to hear about the vaccine but instead the whole presentation focused on the different types of rashes one could acquire from Lyme disease. When he was finished, a doctor in the audience stood up and asked....could you please tell us of the adverse reactions from the vaccine?
The company representative had the nerve to stand in front of all those doctors, advocates and patients and simply reply...there were no significant side effects or reactions. A collective groan rose from the audience and several people walked out in disgust. At that point in time doctors were seeing patient after patient who had become newly sick or their chronic Lyme became significantly worse after receiving the vaccine. They knew the drug representative was telling a blatant falsehood.
Smith-Kline Beecham now tells the world that they took Lymerix off the market due to lack of interest. I think that perhaps it had more to do with lawsuits.
Several months ago I connected with Peter Doshi who had written an article entitled Viral Marketing : 'The Selling Of The Flu Vaccine'. This is a very revealing article and can be found in the March 2006 issue of Harper's Magazine.
The propaganda being used to sell the flu vaccine and other vaccines is immense. If one doesn't get caught up in reacting to the fear tactics being used to push one vaccine after another, the ridiculousness of the whole deceptive scenario can be perceived. In his article, Peter Doshi speaks of the extreme inaccuracy of the statistics used by the CDC to justify the idea that almost everyone needs an annual flu vaccine.
Doshi includes excerpts from a Centers for Disease Control (CDC) power point presentation which was given at the 2004 National Influenza Vaccine Summit. I would like to include several of these "ingredients" of what the CDC calls "The Recipe that Fosters Higher Interest and Demand for Influenza Vaccine". I can perhaps understand a vaccine manufacturer using the following methods to push their vaccines on the public....but the CDC? It makes one wonder if the CDC is intertwined with the vaccine manufacturers and the pharmaceutical industry as a whole.
"Item 3 in the "Recipe" power point presentation....."Medical experts and public health authorities publicly ( e.g.,via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes) - and urge influenza vaccination".
Section B under item 4 states.... "Framing of the flu season in terms that motivate behavior" (e.g., as "very severe", more severe than the last or past years, "deadly").
Item 5....Continued reports (e.g., from health officials and media) that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people - helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza.
Item 6.... Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness (e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce.) References to, and discussions, of pandemic influenza along with continued reference to the importance of vaccination.
Imagine...this presentation was put on by the Department of Health and Human Services of the CDC to educate as to how to increase vaccine sales.
The selling of vaccines is extremely profitable as is the plethora of symptomatic treatments for many of the possible side effects of the vaccines. Seems like everyone benefits from this relationship except for the public.
Anything which unnaturally alters our immune system can at the same time compromise or weaken it. Vaccines have been known to cause the very diseases they are supposed to protect you from. Many times vaccines have been found to be contaminated both by accident and suspected intention.
The anonymous drug company employee mentioned above, tells us what some of the contaminants are that are found in vaccines which are foreign to the vaccine. They are simian cytomegalovirus, acanthamoeba (brain eating amoeba), bird cancer viruses, rabbit viruses....along with other unidentifiable substances. Mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde are intentionally put into vaccines. Much attention has been directed at removing the mercury from the vaccines....which is a good idea, but our efforts at understanding the dangers of vaccines should not stop there.
When vaccines are injected and move into the blood stream, they bypass some of our crucial immune defenses. Many knowledgeable doctors who treat those with chronic diseases advise against getting any type of vaccine. Those who are ill many times have hyperactive or under-active immune systems and it is feared that vaccines could severely complicate these abnormalities.
The following is from an interview with Dr. Kalokerinos MD. who is known worldwide for his compassionate efforts fighting for the health and well being of the Aborigines of Australia. "This forced me to look into the question of vaccination further and the further I looked, the more shocked I became. I found that the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax.
Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases, you will realize this is not so.
My final conclusion after 40 years or more in this business (medicine) is that the unofficial policy of The World Health Organization and the unofficial policy of 'Save The Children's Fund' and other vaccine promoting organizations, is one of murder and genocide. I cannot see any other possible explanation. You cannot immunize sick children, malnourished children, and expect to get away with it. You kill far more children than would have died from natural infection". You may find the whole interview with Dr. Kalokerinos at www.whale.to/v/Kalokerinos.html
We are told by the authorities that disease has been reduced considerably since mandatory vaccines have been implemented. However, many experts say that diseases such as polio were already on the decline when vaccinations were introduced on a wide scale. I personally know of several people whose children have been injured by vaccines and one that died.
The parent of the baby that died was accused of shaking his baby to death and was put in prison. Shaken Baby Syndrome, SIDS, meningitis and other fatalities are being directly linked to vaccines ...but instead of admitting that the vaccine was the cause, blame is being placed either on the parents or on some supposedly unrelated disease label.
Our immune systems....if we are healthy, are engineered to deal with viruses and bacteria naturally. We acquire immunity from becoming infected by microbes in a natural fashion. Again, there are no long term studies that have been done to examine what short and long term effects vaccines have on our immune systems.
If the CDC, the World Health Organization, the National Institutes of Health and other involved agencies, really cared about us, wouldn't you think they would educate the public as to how to keep their immune systems in tip top shape naturally?
We now have a nation of disabled people...in one form or another. Autism, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Lupus, M.S , ALS, Alzheimer's, Gulf War Illness, ADD, Diabetes, Bipolar Depression, Parkinson's, Rheumatoid arthritis, Fibromyalgia... and these are just the tip of the iceberg.
Many researchers chalk most of it up to autoimmunity. I read one article in one of the major news magazines which told of the breakthrough concerning autoimmunity. It was suggested that inflammation was involved so the need was to create new drugs to control the inflammation.
Wouldn't it make more sense to find out what was causing the inflammation? It was also mentioned in this article that the reason our body attacks itself is because our bodies were created to fight off infection and now that there is much better sanitation, we have fewer germs. And, because there are supposedly less germs we are told that the body attacks itself because it has nothing else to attack. This is the most absurd conclusion I have ever heard of. Chemicals in the environment, poor diets and possibly genetically engineered microbes, do play a role in our country's ill health.
However, there is much cause and effect evidence proving the dangers of vaccines. American citizens should be very concerned and demand an all out immediate independent investigation into this most important area.
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Let people make their own decisions. If you have asthma, the flu can be deadly. I know. I've experienced the inability to breathe.
I have never had a flare from the flu shot. I have had to be rushed to the emergency room unable to breathe because of the flu.
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I'm with Aniek. If I weren't allergic to eggs, I'd get the flu shot in a heart beat.
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I have posted this some time ago... and I still agree with it:
I would never get a flu shot. It contains so much junk in order to cause a immune response. And if you allready have a compromised immune system and unable to fight it off, you're probably gonna get sick. But this is my opinion, anyone is free to do what they please.
Vaccine Fillers and Ingredients
In addition to the viral and bacterial RNA or DNA that is part of the vaccines, vaccine fillers and ingredients include:
aluminum hydroxide aluminum phosphate ammonium sulfate amphotericin B animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg calf (bovine) serum betapropiolactone fetal bovine serum formaldehyde (EMBALMING FLUID) formalin gelatin glycerol human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) hydrolized gelatin monosodium glutamate (MSG) neomycin neomycin sulfate phenol red indicator phenoxyethanol (ANTIFREEZE) potassium diphosphate potassium monophosphate polymyxin B polysorbate 20 polysorbate 80 porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein residual MRC5 proteins sorbitol sucrose thimerosal (MERCURY) tri(n)butylphosphate, VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells washed sheep red blood cells
If you really want to fight off the Flu there are some natural HEATHY alternatives:
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I asked if it was Thimerosol Free, they said, um, not sure, check the box. Checked the box, grabbed a few free pens & mints & said C-Ya!
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We're not necessarily talking about an immediate flare from the flu shot or any other vaccine. What I am seriously concerned about is the long term effects that can be caused by unidentified latent viruses or bacteria in the vaccines and all of their toxic chemical components.As the article says...there are no long term studies. We are the long term studies.
There was a flu clinic in the drug store the other day. All of these old people were lined up to get their shot... I asked the two nurses there what strain of flu they were innoculating everyone for this year. They just looked at me for a minute...staring...like no one had ever asked them that before.
Thenthey began looking on all the bottles and info and couldn't find any specific strain. They said..well...it's endorsed by the CDC, so we know it must be ok. I then said in front of everyone....Gee, I wonder how they know a year ahead of time what strain of flu is going to come over to the U.S?
The woman next to me asked if I was a nurse and I said no, just a concerned person. The nurses didn't really have an answer to that question either. They said something to the effect of....well...whatever is on the other side of the world the year before. I'd like to know what kind of science that is?
Then I asked if these flu shots contained mercury....or if that ingredient is just in the shots the children get. The nurse looked at the bottle and said , yes.....this flu shot does have thimerosol in it...which is I think a brand name for mercury.
Ever hear the term ...mad as a hatter? Well, mercury was used in the hat making industry. Maybe this could be one of the reasons for the drastic increase in Alzheimer's. It has been predicted that more and more people will be getting Alzheimer's. This must mean they know the cause...or one of the causes.
You are right tho, people need to make up their own minds concerning this matter BUT....I would advise that they thoroughly research both sides before trusting a corporation or our government (a conglomeration of corporations)with your health
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From what I learned in my microbiology course, the U.S. monitors SE Asia because their flu season is in the spring. So, their prediction is that whatever Asia has, we will get in the winter. The flu virus likes birds, chickens and ducks and that's how it comes here from Asia.
So, it's not some random guess. It IS based on what the "other side of the world" gets about 8 months before us.
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Excerpt from "This Year's Flu Shot Missing New Strains of Virus" Oct.24, 2007 CTV.ca News Staff
The process of creating the annual flu shot is a complicated one and actually begins almost a year ahead of time.
The World Health Organization monitors flu activity around the world, looking for predominant strains.
As flu viruses reproduce, they often trigger slight changes in their genetic code, which scientists call antigenic drift.
The WHO researchers take particular note of what's happening in the southern hemisphere to see what strains are emerging there, since they go through their winter flu season long before we do.
The WHO then selects the strains that they think are most likely to predominate in the northern hemisphere. They generally select three -- two subtypes of influenza A viruses and one influenza B virus-- to go into the vaccines to be used the following fall and winter.
Each year, authorities change one or two of the three strains in the vaccine, which is why it is important to get a new flu shot every year to ensure protection against the most recent strains.
This year's supply of shots is already being sent out to clinics and doctor's offices across Canada. But experts say it's beginning to appear that this year's vaccine may have two relative mismatches -- two viruses have been changing and may no longer match the viruses contained in this year's vaccine.
And because it takes at least six months to manufacture the vaccines, it's far too late to change them.
This year, scientists picked these three strains:
Influenza A - Solomon Islands/3/2006 (H1N1)-like Influenza A - Wisconsin/67/2005 (H3N2)-like Influenza B - Malaysia/2506/2004-like antigen The Wisconsin strain, says the Public Health Agency of Canada, has already mutated into a different form than the one used for the vaccine, and the Malaysia strain shows signs of changing too.
"There is an inherent vulnerability in trying to develop a vaccine now for what might happen six months from now when flu season starts," says infectious disease specialist Dr. Neil Rau. "And with a strain mutating or gradually mutating, sometimes the guess is good, sometimes the guess is sub-optimal and sometimes it's bad."
"The process of making the vaccination is something of an educated guess based on what happened in the southern hemisphere during the preceding season."
"In recent seasons, even where there has been a vaccine mismatch, the vaccine can afford 40-50 per cent protection," says Dr. Theresa Tam of the Public Health Agency of Canada.
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No flu shots for me. No more PAPs. No more mammograms. No more psych meds.
The medical establishment will have to give me abx if they want any more of my money.
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I haven't got my flu shot yet, kept procrastinating, and I picked up something last Saturday. IT doesn't seem as bad as I have gotten in the past, YET. But I had bad vertigo on Saturday and still have it to a lesser degree. Also my sinuses are acting up. And on Monday I was in close proximity with a gal who SHOULD have stayed home from our Pro Photographers meeting.
I hope with my Asthma, I don't get her bad cold too, before I can get a flu shot.
When I get it, I WILL get sick at least for a few days. I expect that from the shot. But that is NOTHING compared to how sick I have been in the past from the actual flu itself.
The herbs I take, I think help, and I didn't have the flu shot lsat year, but I did get the pneumonia shot. For sure I don't need, nor want a bad flu bug.
Even if it only stops HALF of the flu's, that is a big help. I already have mercury in the way of Amalgams, so the little minute amount in the flu shots shouldn't really add that much to my system.
That is MY take on it. YOU do what YOU want to do for YOURSELF.
But back in January 95, shortly after my ilesotomy operation, I got a bug and was losing 10 to 12 ounces of fluid, per HOUR, and I was SO sick I couldn't even drink water, so I ended up in ER for three days, on IV's.
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I wonder what LLMDs say about this? I intend to ask at my next appt.
I used to get sick several times every winter. After getting the flu shot every year, I haven't caught any flu at all. But, I wonder if I now have viruses (and whatever else) that I wouldn't have had otherwise.
I honestly don't know which is best.
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quote:Originally posted by daisys: I wonder what LLMDs say about this? I intend to ask at my next appt.
I got my shot at my LLMD's office.
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I usually pick up every cold & flu around but last year I didn't get
sick once for some reason. I didn't have a flu shot. Sometimes it
happens. There no way to know if the shot is really helping or not.
Given the amount of wierd things they put in it - I'd avoid it.
That's just my opinion, though.
BTW - even a very small amount of mercury is toxic. There a
sign in the store I go to by the canned tunafish that says
children pregnant women should avoid tunafish. It also builds
up in the body & causes alot of problems. Not really something
you want injected into the blood stream.
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Women, you know that strong sense of intuition we have? Well my intuition always peeks when I think about the flu shot. I'm 41 and never ever wanted to get it. I always felt it was not natural. When I was 32, I went with my Mom to get hers and I said, what the hell, let me try it. I was sick for months. At that point I said, I would rather get the flu. I mean really, how many times in life do we get the flu. I don't mean fever and a runny nose, b/c that's NOT the flu. I mean major fever, muscle aches and total inability to get out of bed. Once every 10 yrs maybe? I would rather get the flu and know my body and immune system are being sparked. Sparking the immune system builds it, not breaks it down. Sure, if you'r elderly or have cancer etc, but even then, how many people really get the flu?! Besides, the flu shot every yr is a guessing came. The drug co's only assume which strain is coming. You may get the shot and it won't protect you anyway.
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I found this to be a very helpful book
The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination is Not Immunization
Author: Tim O'Shea
It is becoming increasingly obvious that our country is becoming more and more physically disabled. Our nation's poor health is increasing in accordance with our expanding mandated vaccine policies. Accurate, unbiased and referenced information, concerning vaccines, is very desperately needed.
By the time the average person reaches adulthood they will have accumulated approximately 68 vaccines. We need to start asking questions. How many are too many? What are the short and long term consequences of the various combinations? Do vaccines really achieve their advertised purpose or are facts and figures manipulated for the monetary benefit of the corporations?
Are there any long term studies proving the safety of vaccines ...or......are we and our children the long term studies? Most importantly, what are the ingredients in vaccines and how are these ingredients determined and tested?
Tim O'Shea's much needed book "The Sanctity of Human Blood : Vaccination is Not Immunization", answers these questions and much more. It will be shocking to some to realize that vaccines are not created and marketed for public protection. After reading O'Shea's book, one will be much more aware of where much of our chronic illness originates.
The consequences of poor diet and chemicals in the environment, together with the negative alteration of our immune systems through injecting foreign bacteria, viruses and toxic chemicals directly into our blood stream, will become starkly clear. It is not always pleasant to confront certain realities.......but, only if we are aware of the propaganda and manipulation being used against us, will we be able to do something about it.
The documented information that the author presents in this book is vital for our understanding, so we may begin to reverse the medical nightmare we are currently experiencing.
O'Shea speaks of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and Shaken Baby Syndrome - all new labels to place the blame on "unknown" causes or parental abuse. I personally know of a case where a sickly baby was given a series of vaccines, stopped breathing and died as a result. The father who was rushing the baby to the hospital was arrested for murdering the baby (shaking it to death).
He was later set free when it was proven in court that vaccination can cause the identical symptoms claimed to result from shaking a baby. Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy is also used often as an excuse for blaming the victim.
The author guides us down a path through the various mandated vaccines, explaining all of what you need to know, concerning each vaccine. O'Shea brings up a point which I often feel is necessary to share in my writings involving the politics of Lyme Disease....."It is historical fact that fortunes are not made in discovering causes for disease, but in marketing cures for them. "
I would just like to add here that fortunes really are not even made marketing cures but only symptomatic treatments and what we consider to be honest charities never seem to come up with "cures", even though that is supposed to be their primary function.
The book also explains why our government agencies are not protecting us from the greed of the pharmaceutical companies. Here is a quote from page 115 from Representative Dan Burton.
"CDC routinely allows scientists with blatant conflicts of interest to serve on influential advisory committees that make recommendations on new vaccines, "Burton told UPI "All the while these same scientists have financial ties, academic affiliations, and other vested interests in the products and companies for which they are supposed to be providing unbiased oversight."
This is why parents so urgently need to educate themselves thoroughly on the vaccine issue. No one cares more about your children than you do......certainly not the faceless government corporations.
O'Shea's book is very thorough, covering everything from cancer, AIDS, autoimmune disease and even death, as possible side effects from vaccines.. He speaks of the HPV or Gardasil vaccine. It's stated purpose is to prevent cervical cancer. We are told what is in the vaccine and the listed side effects.
Here is a shocking statement from the manufacturer, found on page 156. Gardasil....."not been evaluated for carcinogenicity or impairment of fertility." In other words, a vaccine which is supposed to prevent cervical cancer in 12 year olds, could possibly cause cancer and infertility. I think that it is important for us to be aware that vaccines have been used in other countries to purposely promote infertility and consequently reduce population growth.
More and more "High Risk" groups, requiring vaccines, are continually being invented and it appears as if the pace is picking up. Today I received an email from the National Vaccine Information Center, which is warning people that the Merck HPV (Gardasil vaccine) slated for 12 year old girls....will soon be marketed for boys and maybe even men. Merck's explanation is that "changing sexual practices, such as more frequent oral sex, in adolescents and young adults, COULD (emphasis mine) contribute to an increase in oncogenic HPV- associated oropharyngeal cancers."
O'Shea has made what could have been a complicated scientific account into an extremely informative, well organized book, which can be very easily understood. " The Sanctity of Human Blood" is a must read for pregnant women, parents, the elderly....actually for just about everyone.
I heartily recommend this book to anyone who loves and cares about themselves, their family and their friends. The vaccination issue affects all of us. Read it and pass it on to anyone you can think of. Our children are our future.
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What's in a flu shot? While this little video was meant to be a parody of sorts, it is accurate. The video is about 2 and 1/2 minutes in length.
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That was great....I loved it. If it weren't so serious I would STAY amused. I'm passing that on to friends. Thanks
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Peacesoul said: "I mean really, how many times in life do we get the flu. I don't mean fever and a runny nose, b/c that's NOT the flu.
I mean major fever, muscle aches and total inability to get out of bed. Once every 10 yrs maybe?
I would rather get the flu and know my body and immune system are being sparked. Sparking the immune system builds it, not breaks it down.
Sure, if you're elderly or have cancer etc, but even then, how many people really get the flu?!
Besides, the flu shot every yr is a guessing came. The drug co's only assume which strain is coming. You may get the shot and it won't protect you anyway."
My thoughts exactly. I won't say when I last had the flu because it would probably jinx me....but it was a long time ago.
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I got my shot this year a couple of weeks ago both my shoulders are pinching now and knees are sore I guess it kicked up the immune system or my minocin and bactrim and now tindamax are reassesing the bacteria hahahahaha
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Dearest Peacesoul: Well for YOU it may have only been once in ten years, but for me, BEFORE I started getting the flu shots, it was about 10 times a YEAR.
Deadly sick from November through May at first then later sick from October through June.
And I MEAN the flu!!! So sick, so long that I just wished I could die so I didn't have to keep going through it. And this was BEFORE I ever had Asthma. It was BEFORE I had Lyme Disease.
I have had the flu NOW since last Friday night, and I sure hope I can get over it SOON, and be able to get the shot BEFORE I get it again.
I didn't have it last year, but I did get the pneumonia shot. ANd my doc recommends that I get IT every year also, even though most people only need it once in their lifetimes. Interesting, eh?
I am more susceptable than most people out there. HOW MANY of you have had Polio?
I see they have a shot to prevent shingles now too. I have to look into that soon as I am at the age that it happens. And I have known too many people who have suffered throught that to not want it for sure, IF I can help it.
Interesting that so many on LymeNet are against the flu shots, etc., yet are into long term abx. Hmmmmmmmmm. . . . . . . !!!
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Jim, it's virtually impossilbe to get the flu 10 times a year. Your body builds immunities to the flu and there is no way there are 10 diff strains a yr. I'm not doubting you get sick a lot, but it's prob not the flu you're getting. Even aids and cancer sufferers don't get the flu that often.
And Jim, abx are to treat lyme not to prevent it. The flu shot does not treat the flu, it prevents it.
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the last flu shot i had i got at walmart about a year ago.
i started getting sick the next day and stayed sick for a long time.
i firmly believe it caused my lyme to really flare. every joint, muscle, bone, major headache, stomach cramps, you name it, i had it.
i'll never get another one, ever.
i'll take my chances with the flu. i'm retired now and don't go out much so that lessens my chances.
i also bought some of that hand cleanser to use when using shopping carts and those automatic key pads.
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JimBoB - have you ever tried using some natural things to enhance
your immune system rather than depending on vaccines? There are
many good natural products that do this.
Sambucol is one & a garlic supplement called AliMax. I think both
of these have studies that say they are effective.
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i, too, am extremely wary of vaccines and haven't gotten a flu shot in years (i also haven't had the flu in years!).
the ingredients in vaccines terrify me. but, whenever i speak up against them, i'm met with the same response:
"if it weren't for vaccines, we'd still have to worry about polio, yellow fever, typhoid, etc, etc, etc."
is that a valid point? i really don't know; i'm asking honestly. i certainly wouldn't want to see a return of the plagues of the earlier part of last century.
quote:Originally posted by Peacesoul: Jim, it's virtually impossilbe to get the flu 10 times a year. Your body builds immunities to the flu and there is no way there are 10 diff strains a yr. I'm not doubting you get sick a lot, but it's prob not the flu you're getting. Even aids and cancer sufferers don't get the flu that often.
And Jim, abx are to treat lyme not to prevent it. The flu shot does not treat the flu, it prevents it.
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First off, Peacesoul; NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE. NOTHING. Only improbable. That being said, I KNOW how many times I would get sick over a fall, winter, and spring season. You don't. I think I made a mistake though, and it could have easily been more like 12 or MORE times in some seasons.
WHO are YOU to say there are not 10 strains a year? There could be a hundred strains a year for all you know. Even the CDC doesn't know.
I would be deadly sick from two to three weeks; have a few days off feeling pretty decent, and another one would start. I LIVED it, so PLEASE don't tell me it is IMPOSSIBLE. Remember, NOTHING is impossible. NOTHING!
And YES, you are right, abx don't prevent things. they just kill. Glad you agree that vaccines DO prevent things though.
I have had mixed results in some years, especially back in the 70's and 80's. But GOOD results in the 90's and this decade also.
quote:Originally posted by Peacesoul: Jim, it's virtually impossilbe to get the flu 10 times a year. Your body builds immunities to the flu and there is no way there are 10 diff strains a yr.
What if it's LYME instead?
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JimBoB
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Yes, I am using herbs for the Lyme, and they seem to help a little in not getting so much bugs either. However, I stay away from Garlic, as I have been told it is a HOT herb and does not mix good with my cold herbs.
quote:Originally posted by Peacesoul: Jim, it's virtually impossilbe to get the flu 10 times a year. Your body builds immunities to the flu and there is no way there are 10 diff strains a yr.
What if it's LYME instead?
If it IS Lyme related, then I had Lyme as a youngster, and I don't believe that to be true. Since I hadn't gotten the strong Lyme symptoms until I got bit by something and got a rash in 1999. Otherwise it would have to go back to the 40's.
Never even heard of deer ticks up in northern Wisconsin back in the 40's, 50's or 60's. I didn't move down here to central Wisconsin till 1986.
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i know that some years i would get at least 3-4 colds and then two cases of bronchitis every year.
i'd get so sick, i'd loose my voice completely.
so, yep, i'd say it was very possible.
course, it could have been lyme, but this was way before i moved to texas. i think i was bitten here in the early 80's, and i was getting these colds and all long before that when i lived in ohio.
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I had a thermosal free shot the last couple years. I did fine every year except for this one. This year my arm was red and swollen for a couple weeks. I've apparently had a flare up as well from it. I see my LLMD tomorrow, so I'm going to ask him about it. I definitely have been WAY more achey since I got it a month ago. My husband didn't get one since I had such an issue this year. I know you can have a worse reaction when the strains change and you haven't been exposed to it before. Who knows...right now I kinda wish I didn't get it this year. But, it always worked for me in the past. Posts: 20 | From Philadelphia PA | Registered: Apr 2004
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Peacesoul
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Jim, with all due respect, you seem like an angry fellow. Unless you are posting from another galaxy, it's not humanly possibe to get 10-12 diff flu strains a yr. If that were the case, you would be dead from organ failure. Like I said, I have no doubt you're sick many times throughout the yr, but it's not the flu. It's your immune system responding to something else. Try to be less angry...it does boost the immune system when we try to lower our anger. Just a suggestion
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quote:Originally posted by randibear: i know that some years i would get at least 3-4 colds and then two cases of bronchitis every year.
i'd get so sick, i'd loose my voice completely.
so, yep, i'd say it was very possible.
course, it could have been lyme, but this was way before i moved to texas. i think i was bitten here in the early 80's, and i was getting these colds and all long before that when i lived in ohio.
A cold and bronchitits are not the flu. They are comepletely diff.
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo:
quote:Originally posted by Peacesoul: Jim, it's virtually impossilbe to get the flu 10 times a year. Your body builds immunities to the flu and there is no way there are 10 diff strains a yr.
What if it's LYME instead?
Yes, it can also be lyme. Lyme rears it's ugly head over and over.
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quote:Originally posted by heiwalove: i, too, am extremely wary of vaccines and haven't gotten a flu shot in years (i also haven't had the flu in years!).
the ingredients in vaccines terrify me. but, whenever i speak up against them, i'm met with the same response:
"if it weren't for vaccines, we'd still have to worry about polio, yellow fever, typhoid, etc, etc, etc."
is that a valid point? i really don't know; i'm asking honestly. i certainly wouldn't want to see a return of the plagues of the earlier part of last century.
what do you guys think?
Vaccines for polio and such are actual cures for the illness. The flu vaccine is not a cure for the flu, it MAY only prevent the expected strain that they assume is coming. When they have a vaccine for the cure for the flu or a common cold, then I would not be against it. Mind you, I'm not totally against it now, but I think it should be reserved for the severely ill. There is NO POINT in giving a healthy child or teenager a flu shot. Let them get the flu and build up there immune systems. I'm 41 and when I was a kid we didn't get flu shots and when I got sick, I got sick. I was strong enough to fight it. I'm had the actual flu maybe 3 time since I was 15. Again, I'm not talking about colds, bronchitits or any other immune breakdown.
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quote:Originally posted by Peacesoul: Jim, with all due respect, you seem like an angry fellow. Unless you are posting from another galaxy, it's not humanly possibe to get 10-12 diff flu strains a yr. If that were the case, you would be dead from organ failure. Like I said, I have no doubt you're sick many times throughout the yr, but it's not the flu. It's your immune system responding to something else.
Try to be less angry...it does boost the immune system when we try to lower our anger. Just a suggestion
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Peacesoul I missed this one last night, sorry.
Angry? I guess so, why should I not be when someone tries to tell me I was not deadly sick, year after year for many years before getting th flu shot? And then some years I would still get sick, even though I had the flu shot.
Doesn't it roughen your feathers, even a little, IF and WHEN someone tells you YOU are wrong? Your handle says you don't, but really, down deep, doesn't it?
Otherwise WHY would you come here and tell me I couldn't possibly been deadly sick or I would have died for sure? Are you a medical doctor? Are you a medical practitioner? WHERE do you come up with YOUR information on THESE statements of yours?
SHOW ME the PROOF that this absolutely CANNOT be! Don't tell me, SHOW ME!
Actually, I am not angry at all, I just don't mince my words and coat them with sugar. I find that does no good at all. Especially to Lyme brains. I am NOT a politician, and have not time for them and their tactics.
I tell it like it is, to the best of MY ability. WHEN I make a mistake, I admit it, and use the superior information to help others with.
So I say: "SHOW ME". PROVE IT to me! Talk is cheap!
My LLMD had a sign up for Thimerosol Free Flu Shots. I meant to ask him about it while I was there, but of course I forgot .. even though I had written it down. So I guess I won't be getting one. I've never gotten one. I've only gotten the flu once, but now I suppose that really wasn't the flu. It was "LYME." AHHHHHHHHHHH
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Peacesoul
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Jim, no where did I say you were not deathy ill. I said "I have no doubt you were very sick" The fact that you're taking what I said and making your own twist is evidence you're not listening. you're just talking. I'm not a dr, but used to work in medical research and along with my degree in common sense, I know no one cannot humanly get 10-12 diff flu viruses in one yr. I'm sure you were very sick and I'm sorry you were and are. We're all sick on this board. This is why we're here. But your claim to have had the flu that many times is lacking in justification . Even if I were a Dr and told u the flu virus cannot effect anyone that much in one yr, I suspect you would still be defiant. I've been sick for 13 yrs and am angry, but I use my anger in a productive way. I truly hope you get well and be healthy one day. End of discussion for me
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Thimerosol isn't the only problem with the flu shot. People get hung up on it.... What about the aluminum, formaldehyde, monosodium glutamate, and phenoxyethanol.
There are many things in a flu shot that can cause major brain damage besides Mercury.
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OH yeah!! The formaldehyde!! That's one of my favorites!!!
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Peace:
It is not exactly what it is said, it is HOW it is said, and WHY it is said, and WHAT is intended by what is said. Follow me?
I do not know what your diff flu is, and don't really care, I guess. I never said anyting about a diff flu, I just said FLU. It could be many different flus or it could be the same one over and over, IF my immune system is/was so bad.
I believe my immune system is better nowadays, because of taking the herbs for the Lyme, but I still don't want to go another year, taking a chance to be without the flu shot. Even if it only covers ONE of the different flu bugs out there; it would be worth it to ME!
And. yes, I AM listening. But you keep talking, but still have NOT given me ANY kind of proof that you can't get a flu bug ten or more times a year. I am still waiting, Peace. Don't start something IF you are not going to finish it. At least not with me.
Either show me complete proof for your statement, or apologize and we can move on. Period.
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