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From all of you out there, I need some serious help with these confusing supplements.
How much charcoal should I take? How much should I take when I am under a bad herx?
Can I take charcoal and Questran together? Do they work with the same efficiency?
Can I take psyllium husk and Questran together? Can I take charcoal and psyllium husk together? What about psyllium husk, Bentonite clay, Questran and charcoal?
Finally, how far should I take supplements away from these things? Or can I take them together with any of them? Does food play a role in their absorption?
Basically, I need help with dosage of these things. I need to know if any of them can be combined with any others, and how far apart to take them from other supplements and food.
As you can see, I need help in using these methods of detox. Thank you all!
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TerryK
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All of the products that you list have similar actions in that none of them are absorbed but are used to pull toxins out and excrete them in the stool. Cholestryramine is used to help remove biotoxins (remants of borrelia ect. toxins). The other items are usually used to help cleanse the colon.
You do not want to take supplements or food near these products because it will hinder the absorption of said supplements and/or food. Look at the individual package directions for how to space the doses.
I'm not sure that they are all able to help excrete biotoxins like cholestryamine. Why are you taking so many? What is your purpose in taking each product?
I would not try to take all of these products at one time unless you are being directed to do so by an LLMD or some other medical professional. If you are, get the timing from them.
You may need to alternate the use of these items.
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I, personally wouldn't take one of these, let alone all of them. Please research each extensively all of these "toxin" removers before use, they are known to block absorption of critical vitamins, especially fat soluble vitamins, d, e, a an k from food and supplements.
I had to learn this the hard painful way using another "great" toxin binder and will never again take anything that 'absorbs' toxins, because they also absorb nutrients.
I have never heard of charcoal use, but according to Drug Digest this is why it is used and it is not FDA approved for even this purpose: What are charcoal tablets or capsules? CHARCOAL, sometimes referred to as activated charcoal, absorbs or binds to substances in the stomach and intestines. Although not-FDA approved for these purposes, charcoal capsules or tablets are claimed to help absorb gasses in the intestine that cause flatulence (gas). There is little proof that charcoal capsules can help treat diarrhea, and they should not be taken for diarrhea thought to be caused by an infection.
Many so called detox supplements and prescriptions work by reducing the body's absorption of fat from foods, thereby reducing weight and cholesterol. It does this by blocking the action of lipase, an enzyme in the intestine that breaks down fat. As a result the drug interferes with the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins like A, D, and E, as well as other nutrients such as Co-enzyme Q10, fish oils, that rely on fat for absorption.
Safer detox methods, try saunas, dry body brushing,20 minute baths with peroxide & baking soda and even detox teas. Also, there is a lot of talk about juice fasting to rid the body of toxins, here is one article, you can google for more: http://altmedicine.about.com/od/detoxcleansing/a/juice_fasting.htm
Also, boost immune system support, begin a diet of fresh fruits and vegetables (preferably uncooked), nuts and seeds, small amounts of grain and other foods high in fiber. Follow a fasting program once a month to rid the body of toxins that can weaken the immune system. Foods to include are fish, chicken, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, parsley, green beans, apples, green salads, buckwheat, and millet. Have green drinks daily. Use spirulina, especially while fasting. It is an easily digestible food that aids in protecting the immune system. Include chlorella and garlic as these foods contain germanium, a trace element beneficial for the immune system. Include ginkgo, burdock, echinacea, red clover, and ginseng herb teas.
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I am not taking all of these at once. In fact, I only take Charcoal and Questran.
I already use my sauna daily, and I do not tolerate fasting at all. I am skinny already and fasting always makes me sicker for a long time afterwards. I eat extremely healthy and am familiar with the "lyme" diet.
Can you take charcoal and questran at the same time?
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I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with the product you tried lymebytes however I don't think any of the methods that you mention will bind biotoxins and biotoxins will apparently keep one sick forever if you can't get rid of them.
It is estimated that about 25% of the population has difficulty getting rid of biotoxins and lyme produces some nasty ones. For those interested, read Dr. S.'s work for more details.
My LLMD has me take cholestyramine. I supplement with the fat soluble vitamins while on cholestyramine. I was already defecient in Vit D prior to cholestyramine as are many lyme patients it seems. You must be careful with Vit D and some of the other fat soluable vitamins not to get too much. Be sure to take your binders well away from food or supplements.
In my opinion, those who don't sweat (myself and some others with lyme etc.) should not use the sauna for detox since the body cools itself by sweating. If you can't sweat you can have some serious difficulty because your body cannot control temperature properly.
Dry brushing works great to help move the lymph but won't do anything to help cleanse the colon or remove biotoxins as far as I know.
In any case, check out anything that you do with your LLMD or your doctor.
Terry
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quote:Can you take charcoal and questran at the same time?
Personally, I wouldn't take anything with the questran but I don't know for sure what effect it would have. Hopefully someone will come along with some answers.
Terry
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i don't take any of the toxin binders you've mentioned, but i do take other binders - chlorella, apple pectin, destroxin, betasitosterol.
does anyone know if those must be taken away from food/supplements as well? i know ideally binders should be taken 30 minutes before meals, which i try to do, but it doesn't always happen that way - plus i take extra when i'm herxing. my ART practitioner told me chlorella doesn't interfere with absorption of nutrients, etc, but i'm not sure about the other binders.
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I just called Dr. C to get some answers. Hopefully this will help, and I will post to let you know what the word is.
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