Topic: Former MERCK exec tells truth about Flu Vaccines - this is likely a farse....
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Please note that this information cannot be verified, nor can the identity of the poster, so please take this "with a grain of salt".
(EDIT NOTE of 12/23/07: Further evidence shows that this ``former Merck executive'' is probably a hoaxster. I've left the thread up because other members have posted some interesting ideas that should be available for all readers.)
Given the undeniable spike in recent years of autism, asthma, Fibromyalgia, and other problems in our country - mostly affecting our children - I thought perhaps this deserved a look.
Apparently, similar information has mysteriously disappeared from the Web, so if you want to read this information, I suggest you do it now.
quote:I'm a former Merck executive with knowledge that will get me "accidentally" killed if anybody ever discovers who I really am....
The active ingredient in all flu vaccines manufactured by Merck is mercury. No other ingredient in any Merck flu vaccine has any effect on influenza in any way. Only mercury has any effect on the flu. What mercury does is kill nerve cells. The brain is basically nerve cells, fat and water. So is the spinal cord. So are all the ganglia in the human body. All mercury does is kill nerve cells.
It turns out, that dead nerve cells laden with mercury and nerve cells dying from mercury poisoning actually do protect the surrounding cells from viral infections. Flu is a viral infection.
We discovered this property of mercury at Merck in about 1965 and started lacing all of our flu vaccines with mercury. Merck has not only the most profitable flu vaccines, they have the most effective. Why? Because they add mercury to their vaccines. Without mercury, flu vaccines are less effective than one cup of herbal tea. With mercury, the vaccine is very effective at killing nerve cells and more effective than one cup of herbal tea in preventing the flu....
LUNGS Before we started adding mercury to our flu vaccines, we had very few reports of children becoming asthmatic. I'm guessing the incidence rate was less than 30 cases per 1,000,000 vaccines......
Immediately after we started adding mercury to the vaccines, the number of reports claiming children were developing asthma post vaccine increased several hundred-fold...... This would make a very good court case except for one thing. Merck is immune to lawsuits for their flu vaccines thanks to the FDA.....
BRAIN DAMAGE Mercury kills nerve cells. When the nerve cells in the brain are die, the result is attention deficit, autism, behavioral disorders, bipolar, brain tumors and cancer, decreased intelligence, hyperactivity and memory problems...... Today one out of three children receiving mercury-laced flu vaccines will develop one or more of these problems within twelve months of being inoculated......
Merck has known for twenty-five years or more that mercury is absolutely and irrevocably the cause of all these disorders, syndromes and conditions.....
MUSCLE ATROPHY But that's only the beginning, when nerve cells die, muscles become under-nourished and atrophy and give rise to muscular dystrophy, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, and myriad syndromes plaguing people who receive flu vaccines. But the best part of this from Merck's viewpoint is it takes years for these syndromes to manifest and proving the vaccine did it is nearly, if not absolutely, impossible.......
WHAT DO MERCK EMPLOYEES DO? Of twenty-five thousand plus employees during my employment, I never heard of one Merck employee who allowed themselves, their families and especially their children to be vaccinated against the flu. They know too much and they're not taking any chances with their families. If they are ordered to vaccinate their children, they take them to one of the company doctors who inoculate their children with saline solution and sign on the dotted line the batch and lot number of the flu vaccine they used (probably by flushing it down the toilet).
Insiders protect their children.
........they [Merck] continue to make more money in one day than most people can make in a year. With all that money they can do whatever they want to do and buy themselves out of anything, anytime. I know. I did. Now I feel guilty because I am partly responsible for killing and maiming children with vaccines that are not only legal, they're required by law....
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I'll take that with about a pound of salt!
Everything in our environment's been geting steadily more
toxic--air, water, soil--everything.
These conditions, like virtually all chronic health problems
(including the debility that many with chronic infections
experience), have multiple causes. Take heart disease, for
instance:
its principle cause in an individual can be basically anything,
including stress. It just can't be thought of in so simple a
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I didn't get to read this yet because I got sidetracked. When I saw this topic, I had to go find the article. I'm going to post it here, then read. I have no idea if it's related.
WEDNESDAY, Dec.12 (HealthDay News) -- Merck & Co. has recalled 1.2 million doses of a common childhood vaccine due to potential contamination during the manufacturing process. But, the vaccine does not pose a health threat, U.S. health officials announced late Wednesday.
The company voluntarily recalled two lots of the Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib) vaccine. Haemophilus influenzae is a group of bacteria that may cause different types of infections in infants and children. They include ear, eye, or sinus infections and pneumonia. The more serious but rare strain can cause meningitis and a life-threatening infection called epiglottitis.
The Hib vaccine is recommended for all children under 5 and is usually given in a three-shot series, starting at 2 months of age.
"The CDC and FDA learned this week that Merck, one of two companies that provide Hib vaccine, is recalling certain lots of the vaccine," Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said during a late afternoon teleconference. "Right now, this is not a health-threatening situation for children."
There have been no reported cases of adverse effects with the Hib vaccine, Gerberding said. "The recall has nothing to do with the potency of the vaccine, so children who have received the vaccine are protected," she said.
Gerberding noted that Haemophilus influenzae type B is a bacteria and has nothing to do with influenza virus.
Before the Hib vaccine, there were about 20,000 cases of Hib diseases in the United States each year, leading to about 1,000 deaths, according to the CDC.
"But thanks to the vaccine there are fewer than 100 documented cases of Hib disease in the entire United States each year -- a reduction of over 99 percent," Gerberding said.
The vaccine is made by both Merck and Sanofi Pasteur. The recall involves lots of Merck's PedvaxHIB and Comvax shipped after April 2007.
It's not known how many of the 1.2 million doses may have been given to children. But even children who received a vaccine from one of the recalled lots are not at risk of any health problems, Gerberding said.
Gerberding expects the recall will result in shortages of the vaccine, but she doesn't expect any increase in disease because so many children have been vaccinated.
"We are sorry for parents who will be inconvenienced," she said.
Merck identified the problem during routine testing of the manufacturing process at a plant in Pennsylvania, Dr. Norman Baylor, director of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's Office of Vaccine Research and Review, said during the teleconference.
"Merck identified an issue that creates the potential for microorganisms to survive a sterilization step performed during manufacturing," Baylor said. "No documented contamination of the vaccine has been found."
Parents whose children were recently vaccinated against Hib can look for skin bumps or abscesses at the site of the injection, which could indicate a potential problem, said Dr. Anne Schuchat, the CDC's director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. But she did not specify what those problems might be.
"These kinds of things might emerge up to a week after a vaccination," Schuchat said. "But we don't have any reports of those."
The CDC is reviewing the Hib vaccine supply throughout the country to see what can be done to alleviate any shortage that occurs, she added.
FWIW- My dad is a former Merck employee and gets his flu shot every year from his doctor.
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Adamm, the evidence is mounting against vaccines - this is just the tip of the iceberg. No, vaccines are not responsible for everything, and neither is Lyme. That's why it is so difficult to sort out which `bad guy' may be at the heart of any illness.
Momfromtexas, I'm afraid I don't understand why you came away with the impression that you did!
Ali, you said: ``FWIW- My dad is a former Merck employee and gets his flu shot every year from his doctor.''
Hey, this poster admits that the Merck vaccine works..... but at what cost? It would be interesting to talk to your dad about a number of things!
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The flu vaccine is one of the few still out there made with Thimerosal, which is made from mercury and is used as a preservative. This isn't exactly hidden knowledge.
Even the FDA and CDC have web pages dedicated to thimerosal in vaccines. You can find the pages here:
As someone who had a higher-than-normal amount of vaccinations as a kid and has been dx'd with elevated mercury levels, I'm drawing my own conclusions.
I'm sure the large amount of amalgams doesn't help either.
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True, Curiouser.....
I guess what strikes me - aside from this (supposedly) coming from a former Merck exec - is the statement made here that it is BECAUSE of the Mercury that the flu vaccines have any effect at all in prevention.
Now, THAT I had not heard before.
And if true, then if Mercury is removed from vaccines, are they any good at all?
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Mercury WAS used as a cure for syphilis many moons ago, I don't know in what quantities.
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True, Ali.
Thanks for taking time to explain your response, Momfromtexas.
I wish I could prove or disprove what this author is saying..... but I can't. Frankly, there are some aspects of what this `former Merck executive' wrote that make me question its authenticity.
The `conspiracy theory' aspect of Mercury in vaccines already exists!
For years and years, consumers have complained, yet drug companies here have gone to great lengths to deny any dangers associated with vaccines despite some compelling evidence, both in humans and pets. People have become extremely suspicious of these adamant denials along with a tenacious unwillingness on the part of drug companies to come up with an alternate plan, and rightfully so.
WHY are drug companies doing this? WHAT is so crucial about Mercury in the vaccines? Is Mercury the big culprit or are any vaccines inherently dangerous? Just how much crucial information is being withheld from the public in the name of the Almighty Buck?
I've read that it is actually rather difficult to measure the efficacy of flu vaccines, but I would certainly be interested in seeing some independent studies done on the efficacy of flu vaccines with Mercury versus vaccines made without Mercury.
And one last thing - vaccines, in general, wreak havoc with the immune system. More and more veterinarians are questioning the frequent use of routine vaccinations because of what they observe in their practices.
The unfortunate thing is that those with compromised immune systems - like many Lymies - are the people who are most likely to get flu vaccinations. Once again, each person has to decide if the risks of vaccination outweigh the dangers of becoming ill with the flu.
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The person who originally sent out this message on the Web is psychiatrist Rima Leboux who is married to someone who was in the CIA. She is an exposed agent provocateur who attempts to get people's contact info and then scare the hell out of them into doing useless actions to "handle" the things she "reveals."
Some of the data she sends out is accurate, but it is NOT TO BE HELPFUL!! Here's what happened to a friend of mine whose email address got on her list:
"I had been debugging a horrible bug on my Yahoo email addresses....worked for hours X days....and, after weeks of periodic tries, finally got it fixed.
"But then, I updated my Anti-Virus.....and got another serious problem with Yahoo email.
"Know what it was????
"I searched the In Box....and found another "Natural Solutions Foundation" email in my In Box of that email account. (not this one.) I thought I'd put them on the "blocked sender's" list weeks ago when you and I discussed this via email, but hunted down how to do that on Yahoo....(purposely obscured and difficult to find the process apparently), and when I selected for "Blocked", I got a message that I'd already put them on that list!!!!
"I thought....Okay....so how in the firetruck did that email get in?????
"Anyway, I verified it was already on the blocked sender's list, but went through the process again just to be sure.
"And then.....(this is after I'd had to revert to the older "classic Yahoo email" just to function....) I deleted the Natural Solutions Foundation email....and voila.....the whole problem evaporated instantly!!!!
"Apparency? There is something in their emails that is of the snooping or phishing....or monitoring variety that was kinda-sorta picked up and yielding error messages (different error messages with the older and newer Norton) , but yet not fully isolated or handled. All the "fixes" I tried (and there were many levels....I did them all) did NOT work. I'd even consulted Norton's and Yahoo's own blogs for answers, and did those."
I ADVISE THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY EMAILS FROM THIS GROUP DIRECTED TO YOU OR FORWARDED TO YOU THAT YOU DELETE THEM AS A FIRST ACTION. YOU MAY NEED TO DO OTHER FIXES TO HANDLE THIS, SUCH AS DELETING COOKIES ON YOUR COMPUTER. THESE ARE FIRST-LINE ACTIONS ONLY, AND ARE NOT EXHAUSTIVE.
Best,
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Dr. Mercola has information on his site how the deaths resulting from the Flu are grossly exaggerated.
Whether that is the case or not, it is interesting to read.
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Momfromtexas, I think what you discussed is one of the big questions: why does it have to be Mercury/ Thimerasol for the preservative? Surely there is some other safe means of accomplishing this...... If Mercury could be eliminated from all vaccines, perhaps time would tell us if Mercury was, in fact, causing a lot of adverse events and reactions.
Thanks, Cass! I didn't know where this post originated..... and if it came from the Natural Solutions Foundation, then that does make me wonder..... like you, I don't entirely trust the motives of the NSF.
You know, I still get NSF e-mails on one e-mail account I have, though I don't read them anymore - I just delete them. And funny thing, I have had e-mail issues, too...... the kind that had me ripping my hair out on occasion. hmmm. Now I wonder if the NSF stuff could be the culprit.......
Thanks much for this tip! I don't their stuff anymore anyway, so I should just block any more e-mails and see if these periodic problems go away.
D Bergy, what bothers me about flu vaccines is that there's a good chance that this year's vaccine won't even prevent the strain of flu that ends up causing illness this winter. I think it often gives people a false sense of security.
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Whether it works or not, I would not get a Flu vaccine unless the Flu had a good chance of killing me. For people that are that sick maybe it is a good idea. Otherwise the Flu is just an inconvenience. I don't think the shot is worth it for an inconvenience.
Just my opinion.
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All of this is so twisted to me.
I just don't see how injecting something with mercury in it into your body can be of any use.
They have signs up in the supermarket telling pregnant women & children that they shouldn't eat tunafish & people actually want to get something with mercury injected into their bodies to prevent getting a flu...
Then there's talk of conspiracy theories & the CIA & other people are afraid someone might see the posts & think that doctors & other "professionals" might think were nut jobs...
It's a bit much.
Whatever the case is - I just can't see how getting an injection with something that has mercury in it can help your body.
Mercury is a poison & a neurotoxin. Why would you inject it into your body, knowingly?
It's just common sense.
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D Bergy, I've only had what I believe was ``the flu'' once in my life, and that was back in my early 20s. I was quite ill for about 2 weeks. Fortunately, my roommate had it too, and we were able to help take care of each other during brief periods of improvement. For someone who lived alone or someone elderly, I can see where it could have been much more serious.
Since then, I've had numerous bouts of a much milder ``flu'' that made me feel pretty lousy for a day or two and then it was over.
So in my experience, apparently, there's ``the flu'', and then there's ``THE FLU'', and there's really no comparison when it comes to the intensity of each illness.
Like you and Sparkle, I would not get a flu shot either, unless I really thought it could be a life or death situation.
As I posted on another thread, I intend to pick up some Occilococcinum to have on hand just in case I feel like I'm coming down with ANY type of flu. (There are many other products out there like Airborne or Sambucol which may help ward off the flu or common colds.)
Finette said:
quote:``first an old classmate is a Dr and fairly high in Merck's company...and SHE and her KIDS all get the flu shot. second, this is a HOAX that has been posted under different guises several times in past few yrs...and even emailed..
Im NO fan of big Pharma, nor do I think all vaccines are necessary BUT I AM a BIG believer in fair and TRUTHFUL reporting and checking one's sources!!
before we all get too upset heres a list of thimerosol free or nearly free flu vaccines and btw IF it was the mercury that was the "active ingredient then how are these effective??''
Thanks, Finette, for posting about those flu vaccines that are Mercury/ thimerosol-free. That could certainly be helpful to those who choose to vaccinate.
I'm sure it is public pressure and awareness that have caused these drug companies to revise their methods of vaccine preparation, which is the whole point of this topic. Mercury/ thimerosol still remains in most other adult and pet vaccinations, however. Hopefully, that will change.
I'm still not convinced that Mercury is our only enemy when it comes to vaccinations, but we probably won't know that until it is eliminated as a factor. For instance, the potentially toxic components of "aluminum hydroxide and squalene" have been implicated in Gulf War disease from the anthrax vaccine administered to deployed troops.
As I explained at the start, I was unable to find any real evidence that confirmed or debunked this author's post, although I did try.
I could find nothing at the Urban Legends/ Snopes website, and if this was a hoax that had been circulating over the years, there should have been something about it there. I was very surprised that I turned up nothing.
I Googled a few keywords from the author's post and came up with nothing of substance.
With respect to you and your doctor friend who works for Merck, I can no more verify what she says than I can the original post. I'm quite certain that any upper-echelon execs at Merck want people to believe that this is a hoax, but there is a distinct lack of evidence either way in situations like this.
I've tried to look at studies done on the efficacy of flu vaccines, in general, and once again the evidence is conflicting and confusing. In fact, the evidence regarding the efficacy of vaccines for epidemic diseases - like smallpox, polio, diphtheria, typhoid - is rather unconvincing. In all of these cases, deaths from these epidemics were already at a low point when vaccines were introduced..... so, we may be giving way too much credit to vaccinations in general, and doing harm to ourselves in the process. http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html
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Without getting into whether mercury is the true preventative I applaud Truthfinder for at least bringing the question to light. NOTHING from Merck or any of the Bigpharma corps should be taken at face value. Their track record is dismal to say the least.
As for the flu I'm leaning toward the opinion the seasonality of influenza is more due to lack of sunshine (vitamin D) rather than global traveling viruses. Should be an easy theory to prove/disprove.
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then what about Flu seasonality in latitudes with ample sunshine year round??
It may have more to do with being indoors with closed windows...
Two questions at play...causation and spread of infection. Closed quarters will no doubt spread infection quicker than open. I've not read your reference concerning year round warmth and seasonal influenza. I have read however many articles which relate to infection/disease and the amount of sunshine in a latitude. Frex...MS is four times more common in Canada than in the southern USA.
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I agree Brent, and your theory about Vitamin D is an interesting one.....! When it comes to the flu, it may be necessary to factor in demographics, too, with particular attention to the average age of the population in a given area. An elderly population is probably more at risk.
When it comes to chronic diseases like MS, it is possible that the Northern latitudes not only have less available sunlight in certain seasons, but they also seem to produce more TBDs (or insect-borne illnesses - it may not be just ticks). What a combination - reduced Vitamin D absorption and increased exposure to certain diseases. You may be on to something here.......
We have a much higher-than-normal incidence here of autoimmune diseases like MS, Lupus, RA, etc...... I used to see bumper stickers that said ``Ski NAKED!'' Maybe that's not such a bad idea after all.
Thank you for your diligence, Finette! I see that articles and online comments about this are starting to emerge. When I originally read this and posted about it a couple of days later, there just wasn't any information available. Now there is, and I'm glad you pointed it out.
Since Merck makes so many vaccines as one of the top-10 largest pharma companies in the world - the latest and most controversial vaccine being Gardasil - it never occurred to me that that they didn't directly manufacture flu vaccines. (However, I would be interested to know if they own any patents on flu vaccines, as one article suggested, and/or if they contract with any other drug labs to make a flu vaccine.) I never would have checked on that aspect of the story.
I was rather hopeful that this post was genuine. Not because we need any more negative press against Big Pharma, but because the dirty little secrets of big corporations and big government are often only brought to light from the people who actually worked for these entities.
I despise hate-mongering, so I'll go back and edit the title of this topic and my first post to reflect that the information appears to be a farce. I don't want to delete the thread because there have been some good ideas and suggestions posted, like .......
Thanks very much for the tip about Influenzium 9C! Sounds like a terrific way to go to prevent the flu. I don't know how they can legally do this, but apparently similar products to the ``Dolivaxil'' are still being sold OTC in the U.S. Here's one supplier who claims to carry this nosode for anyone interested: http://www.elixirs.com/newsletter/dolivaxil.cfm
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