Topic: Another Interesting Experience with Energetic Medicine
SForsgren
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As most of you know, I am a big fan and believer in ART, Autonomic Response Testing, as created by Dr. K.
For the past couple of evaluations, one of the top issues that came up was Parvovirus. Thus, I decided to go to my more conventional LLMD and have appropriate blood tests done to see what they revealed.
Well, the results came back yesterday, and I showed high levels of Parvovirus.
Not a surprise to me, but another confirmation that energetic medicine can play an important role in our journey back to health. I would never had thought to test for Parvovirus had it not first shown up in the energetic testing.
Be well
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So how are you going to treat it?
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I have high levels of parvo, too.
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You can't treat it, only clean out the terrain. Supprised it didn't appear in the blood smears under the microscope.. Or maybe its what the Bb morphed into when you treated it with ABX.
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quote:he problems we have seen are not solved by implemeting multiple Forums. The problems/issues/concerns are created by user behavior and we need our users to act in a manner that shows respect and allows for an open discussion.
Quote from LouB on another thread.
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SForsgren
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Greatcod, based on your responses to several of my previous posts and my inability to tell whether you are sincere with your comments or being sarcastic, I choose not to respond further to your comments on this thread or any other.
sixgoofykids, when I was evaluated energetically, Valtrex was one of the items that seemed to test well against the Parvovirus, though I am not suggesting that it has been found to be helpful or recommended as a treatment for the virus by mainstream medicine.
Some other antivirals that may be helpful would be olive leaf or lauricidin. I need to do some further research as I believe I have seen some other products that may support defenses against Parvovirus. I believe that Deseret Biologicals has a series remedy for Parvo as well.
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Thanks, Scott. I was never tested for viruses .... at some point, I'd like to find someone to do energetic testing .... but right now I'm already spending my allowance on health care
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The most recent testing I did was the Immune Compromised Panel with Parvo added separately from MDL. It provided some good information.
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When you have the ART testing done, is it like where you sit and have to hold two metal 'rods', one in each hand, while the person 'prods' you with a pen like device on feet and hands or you have your feet on a metal plate? Do they also at the same time put a substance in a phial on a small 'plate' on the ART machine and test what your body's electrical response is to that substance?
This is neither a sarcastic or insincere question. I truly want to know if this is how ART is also done?
I am really curious, because as you will have seen me mention many times (Scott), I did Isopathy for two years (2001/2002) while under the care of a German (or Dutch?) Homeopath. They found so many infections in me, I can't remember all of them, but I'm sure I've listed them all on here before....I know they included 'chronic measles' 'chronic chickenpox' ascaria worms, toxoplasmosis, brucellosis and more. What they did not find, however, was Borrelia or any of the tickborne infections we are familiar with, even when I asked them about it repeatedly as I've had multiple EM's more than once and come from suburban New York where 'everyone's" got Lyme.
For the first 2-3 months on the Isopathic treatment, I felt great and thought "wow, this really works". But, then it stopped working and when I was "all clear" according to them - I felt sicker than ever.
People came from all over the world to this clinic I'm talking about. They had a great reputation and claimed they could cure cancer, etc.
So, I'm interested to know how you will fare on the Isopathy when you do it(and Osteopathy, which I still have done for several years now and which helps with back/structural things and relaxation). What I can't figure out is why some people (on Lymenet) seem to get great benefit, whereas those like myself, who spend YEARS doing all that stuff BEFORE discovering antibiotics, did not get better in the end on all the "alternative" stuff, plus diet and IV vitamins, kineseology, Assemblage Point treatment (that was the craziest thing I tried, embarrassed to say I paid to get whacked with a great big crystal and told I was cured!) etc etc etc, but only started to get better when taking antibiotics.
OK, I know different things work for different people. So, just because abx have helped me, might not mean they help everyone, I know that.
I don't think it can be because of belief, because I fully believed all those alternative things were the answer, but they all failed. I doubted the antibiotics would help when I was months in and still felt no different, but with persistence they did help.
Anyway, so it would be great if you could tell me if ART is anything like the BFD/Isopathy thing I did and if you do it, how you fare on it.
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Thanks for your post Scott. As I've mentioned before, I've been using muscle testing for a long time and have seen similar results in myself and others.
edited to add: By similar results I mean muscle testing session showing a particular problem (which I was usually highly skeptical of) and then later it would show up in lab tests. This is one of the main things that convinced me initially that it was valid.
It is not 100% accurate but very helpful as another tool in our arsenal against this illness.
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SForsgren
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ART appears more like conventional muscle testing but uses signal enhancers to broadcast an energy from the source into the person's biofield for testing. It then uses the muscle strength of an intermediary person to get a result. It also uses a polarization filter to measure the angle of biophoton light emissions.
I cannot yet comment on my experience with isopathics as I am just starting down this journey, but appreciate and value your experience with them.
ART and isopathy are not related. BTW, I do incorporate and have incorporated antibiotics into my program for years now. I do not suggest that they are not useful, but that the end result can be enhanced by looking in places other than antibiotics alone.
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I agree with TerryK that it is not 100% accurate. Dr. K says likely over 80%. I find that conventional testing around most of the infections we carry to be far less accurate.
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ART picked up heavy metal (mercury) poisoning for me and lab tests confirmed this. I have also found it to be highly accurate.
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SForsgren
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ART is a BEAUTIFUL way to look at heavy metal stress. In fact, I would saw that the majority of people tested via ART show some metal issues.
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That's fascinating Scott-
Thanks for sharing. Have you checked out Parvo yet?
I'm curious what Sx it causes.
I guess I'm going to have to find the strength to research all these different tests because I don't even know how regular muscle testing works.
I wish I wasn't in so much pain right now because it really makes it hard for me to get a grasp on some of these concepts.
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From ACP Medicine Online Posted 06/07/2006 Martin S. Hirsch, M.D.
Although only recently recognized as a human pathogen, parvovirus B19 is now appreciated as a cause of several syndromes in both children and adults.
Parvovirus B19, a small (20 to 26 nm), single-stranded DNA virus, causes erythema infectiosum (fifth disease) in normal persons, aplastic crises in persons with underlying hemolytic disorders, chronic anemia in immunocompromised hosts, and fetal loss in pregnant women.36-40
Epidemiology
Parvovirus B19 infection occurs most commonly in school-age children in outbreaks during late winter and spring.
Only 2% to 15% of pre-school-age children have antibodies, but seroprevalence increases to 35% to 60% by 11 to 19 years of age and to greater than 75% in persons older than 50 years.41
Respiratory transmission is likely and is facilitated by close contact.
Hospital outbreaks have also been described and are often traced to patients with aplastic crises who carry large amounts of virus in blood and respiratory secretions.42,43
Maternal infection can lead to fetal anemia, hydrops fetalis, heart failure, and death, resulting in spontaneous abortion, most commonly 4 to 6 weeks after infection.
When women are infected during the first 20 weeks of pregnancy, the risk of parvovirus-related fetal death is approximately 9% to 10%.44,45 Routine antenatal screening is not recommended.38,46
Pathogenesis
Replication of parvovirus B19 has been demonstrated in human erythroid progenitor cells, and the receptor appears to be the P blood group antigen globoside, a neutral glycosphingolipid, which occurs in erythrocytes, erythroblasts, megakaryocytes, endothelial cells, placenta, and fetal liver and heart cells.47
Expression of this glycosphingolipid in tissues helps to determine parvovirus B19 tropism.48
Persons who lack erythrocyte P antigen (p phenotype) are naturally resistant to infection,37,49 and the distribution of parvovirus in infected individuals is linked to the presence of the P antigen.
Although little is known about the pathogenesis of parvovirus, antiviral antibodies--particularly those directed against the capsid protein VP1--appear to be responsible for viral clearance.
The presence of certain HLA class I and class II alleles may be associated with more symptomatic parvovirus infections.50
Diagnosis
Clinical Features
The rash caused by parvovirus B19, erythema infectiosum, usually appears without prodromal symptoms after an incubation period of 4 to 14 days.
The exanthem progresses through three stages. Initially, a fiery-red rash develops on both cheeks (giving them the appearance of having been slapped), accompanied by relative pallor around the mouth. >From 1 to 4 days later, an erythematous maculopapular eruption appears on the proximal extremities and spreads to the trunk in a lacelike, reticular pattern. The third stage, during which the eruption waxes and wanes, may persist for several weeks and may be precipitated by skin trauma, exposure to sunlight, or extremes of temperature.
Arthralgia and arthritis are seen in up to 80% of infected adults; arthralgia is particularly common in women, may occur without rash, and may linger for weeks.
Joint involvement is often symmetrical in the hands, wrists, knees, and ankles. Hemolytic anemias and encephalopathies are rare complications.
Laboratory Tests
Parvovirus-specific IgM antibodies usually appear within 3 days after symptoms develop; these antibodies persist for several weeks and then rapidly decline.
IgG antibodies, however, persist for years. Viral DNA can also be detected in blood, tissues, and secretions, although culture techniques for virus isolation are unsatisfactory.
Complications
Transient aplastic crises associated with parvovirus B19 occur in patients who have sickle cell anemia, hereditary spherocytosis, thalassemia, and various other hemolytic anemias.51
These aplastic crises are abrupt in onset and associated with giant pronormoblasts in the bone marrow.
They generally last 1 to 2 weeks and go into remission spontaneously. In immunocompromised hosts (e.g., patients with HIV infection), acute infection may lead to viral persistence and chronic bone marrow suppression.40
A significant proportion of patients with AIDS who develop severe anemia while receiving zidovudine (AZT) have persistent parvovirus infection.51
Pneumonia, hepatitis, and myocarditis have also been associated with parvovirus infections in immunocompromised as well as immunocompetent adults and children.52-57
Although parvovirus B19 has been implicated in a variety of rheumatic diseases, there is no definitive evidence for a causal role.
Treatment
Pooled human immune globulin contains anti-parvovirus B19 antibodies and has been used to treat persistent infections as well as acute exposures.40
Prevention of nosocomial infections is of great concern: pregnant health care workers should not care for patients with aplastic crises.
Droplet isolation is recommended for such patients, including the use of gowns, gloves, and masks during close contact.
Because certain blood products (e.g., clotting factors) contain parvovirus B19 DNA, screening of products, donors, and recipients has been suggested.58
Click here to subscribe or purchase the full chapter. Hirsch, Martin S, 7 Infectious Disease, XXIX Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Parvovirus, and Poxvirus, ACP Medicine Online, Dale DC; Federman DD, Eds. WebMD Inc., New York, 2000. http://www.acpmedicine.com/ Disclaimer
Figures, tables, references and sidebars are available in the subscription edition of ACP Medicine .
Martin S. Hirsch, M.D., Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Physician, Massachusetts General Hospital
ACP Medicine Online. 2002; �2002 WebMD Inc.
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After the initial antibiotic treatment for several months, I must add here that the guidance I received after that, via energetic testing - in my case ART - is what gave me back eventually a totally healthy life. If you can find someone, I can only recommend it. It avoids the traps of wrong meds and wrong supplements that often cause setbacks and can bring healing to a halt.
Good energetic healing practitioners are everywhere, but you have to search to find them.
Good luck to all of you. I hope that all of you will find the help you need. Lyme is no longer part of my life, nor in my mind, and I have almost forgotten how bad it was living immobilized and in pain. Please, do believe that cure is possible for anyone as it is for me.
Take care.
P.S. I will no longer post with any frequency. If you are interested in what helped me, please read some of the few thousand posts that are on this site. It took me about five years of an ART guided regimen to clean up my body - the type of terrain where pathogens are no longer happy. I often remembered my Mom saying that if you plant your new potatoes in a contaminated soil/terrain - you will get a blemished potato crop. Nature has its way of telling us when things are not right.
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Is ART generally expensive?
Is it something you can do once or do you have to keep going?
What other things have people found besides Parvo that they've actually been able to confirm through other testing or having Sx resolve?
If it's not really expensive, I think I might be curious to try it even though I don't understand it.
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SForsgren
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It is generally part of the charge for the practitioner and not a separate fee. Most practitioners that use ART do it with the majority of their patients.
I have heard of many such confirmations like what I had here and also had several myself.
Chlamydia, Mycoplasma, various viruses, Lyme and all the coinfections, metals, yeasts, etc. can all be energetically present with ART and may represent infection with the same or similar organism.
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Scott, thanks for this thread. I've seen a number of posts like yours at LymeNet over the past couple of years.
And I do think that with a good practitioner, energetic testing seems to be more accurate than many conventional tests. Not to mention a lot cheaper when you consider all the possible tests that Lymies probably need in order to get `the whole picture'.
It also seems from my observations here that those using ART or good, solid muscle testing methods are more likely to progress faster with fewer bumps in the road than those who don't.
Dontlikeliver, while you are talking about Isopathic treatment in your post, what you described is a classic response to treatment for chronic disease in homeopathy. I don't know the full story, of course, but from your description it sounds like your practitioners never got around to finding and treating the underlying imbalance that got you in such a mess in the first place. This is not always easy or straightforward, but completely necessary to move a case forward and prevent relapse.
It is true that isopathy/ homeopathy does not work in every case. Usually, a reason can be found for the failure but not always. But if you were given an ``all clear'' when you felt worse than ever, I'm afraid I have to conclude that your practitioners were not equipped to deal with your particular case. It happens, even with the most highly-recommended practitioners.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm going to be one of those `difficult to treat' people, based on what I've learned about homeopathy the past year or so. So, like some others here, I may need treatment for a very long time, and due to some damage already done to my body, I may never be 100% well.
Anyway, the closest ART practitioner to me is 4+ hours away. I have found a Kinesiologist here locally and found that she also does the ionic detox foot baths, so I think I'll be seeing her one of these days (if I can get the city to stop plowing my driveway full of snow - sheesh - I'm trapped here again today).
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Hi Truthfinder,
Yes, I agree homeopathy does not work for chronic conditions like ours. And, it is homeopathy that is supposed to address underlying causes more because they take into account all sorts of things when taking history, prescribing treatment, etc.
Whereas Isopathy is different. They find the pathogen that's making you sick, and make the antidote straight from that pathogen. So theoretically, when they 'cleared' me off all those pathogens, I should have at least remained better, not worse. Or at least if I was to relapse, I would have expected it to take some time with my newly cleaned' terrain (no pathogens left). Not a total cure on it's own perhaps, but I would have thought it should have some lasting effect. Instead I went right downhill from the 3rd month or so till the 2 year mark when they declared me 'clear'.
I am not a total disbeliever in Homeopathy though (again, a different thing than isopathy) because I once went to a homeopath, my first visit to one in fafct, when I was covered in hives for over a week. She gave me her remedy and within hours all hives were gone.
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Scott, thanks so much for this info. You've given me a greater resolve to push for more testing (including, ART). I've asked for it and asked for it and so far, haven't gotten much. Really frustrating it is. I've literally got my wallet open here and requesting thorough testing and instead I feel like I'm being offered a cherry-picking version of tests.
Anyway, thanks for your post.
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I have had terrific results with the Deseret Biologicals remedies as prescribed through muscle testing. The herx from each laid me flat, but was worth the trouble.
I have not personally tested positive for Parvo, but I'm glad to hear they have a remedy for it. Good luck with your treatment.
I started my treatment with the Bartonella series remedy. I also used their remedy called Lym.
Eight months later, after many good herbals, supplements, and some good antibiotics, and multiple other therapies, I used the Borrelia series remedy. That seemed to finish up my therapy.
Besides homeopathics, I had my kinesiologist test to see which antibiotics I would respond to the best, how much, and how long.
According to muscle testing (my own and my practitioner's) I'm cleared of lyme. I'm also symptom free for six weeks and counting.
In addition to these I used some German isopathics for Klebsiella Pneumonia that showed up in a sinus/dental infection. The results were amazing where nothing else had allowed the infection to heal.
At this point I'm just improving my digestion, clearing candida, and, boosting my adrenals, which took a hit from my daughter's recent hospital stay.
I highly reccommend to readers having a good practitioner muscle test for the Deseret biologicals products. Have them test for whether or not the product would be useful, and also for the timing.
As I mentioned, it took about eight months for me to be ready for the Borrelia remedy, but when I was, it seemed to do the trick.
Just a note: this was a chronic condition of 20-30 years with multiple bites.
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How does one find a reputable practitioner? I'm interested to try it, but I've tried it twice before with poor results. It was also expensive, which was upsetting.
Is there a site to visit to find some of these folks?
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Dontlikeliver,
Oh, dear - I hope I didn't imply that ``homeopathy does not work for chronic conditions like ours'' because I don't agree with that at all. What I meant to convey is that a certain number of cases are more difficult than average. We see the same issues in other treatment modalities, as well.
In the context of your description of ``isopathy', yes I understand the use of nosodes made from pathogens. These can be extremely helpful in most cases - if prescribed at the right time and for the right reasons.
Homeopathy DOES address underlying causes, but only if you have a practitioner who understands ``miasmatic states'' and miasmatic prescribing. From everything I've learned in the past year, those are the real keys to curing chronic disease. Miasms - in the briefest, simplest context - is a set of weaknesses and susceptibilities. This is what Hahnemann found nearly 200 years ago and why he wrote his book on Chronic Diseases.
In the world of energetic medicine, the pathogens involved are really more of a symptom than a cause of anything. It is the underlying ``miasmatic state'' that sets the stage for infection. It is the Terrain, and miasms are part of the Terrain.
Many times, a careful case-taking will reveal a constitutional remedy that deals with both the illness and the underlying miasm. But just as often, that doesn't happen. The miasms have to be dealt with separately.
Since this thread is about energetic testing, I'll stop here and send you a PM to better explain how these miasms can combine to create states that are more difficult to treat.
(Anyone who wants to learn more about miasms should just Google it. I won't be posting about this after all the recent derisive posts at LymeNet over another unconventional idea.)
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MESSAGE FOR GIGI: Hi Gigi, not sure if you're here anymore, but if you are, I would really appreciate being able to talk to you about the german doctor, Dr. K (Seattle) as I have recently been diagnosed with chronic lyme (after 3 years of searching for what was wrong) and am considering going to see him and espeically looking for hope for overcoming lyme. Please PM me if you are willing. Thanks -Eli.
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: After the initial antibiotic treatment for several months, I must add here that the guidance I received after that, via energetic testing - in my case ART - is what gave me back eventually a totally healthy life. If you can find someone, I can only recommend it. It avoids the traps of wrong meds and wrong supplements that often cause setbacks and can bring healing to a halt.
Good energetic healing practitioners are everywhere, but you have to search to find them.
Good luck to all of you. I hope that all of you will find the help you need. Lyme is no longer part of my life, nor in my mind, and I have almost forgotten how bad it was living immobilized and in pain. Please, do believe that cure is possible for anyone as it is for me.
Take care.
P.S. I will no longer post with any frequency. If you are interested in what helped me, please read some of the few thousand posts that are on this site. It took me about five years of an ART guided regimen to clean up my body - the type of terrain where pathogens are no longer happy. I often remembered my Mom saying that if you plant your new potatoes in a contaminated soil/terrain - you will get a blemished potato crop. Nature has its way of telling us when things are not right.
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SForsgren
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GiGi is not going to be posting for awhile nor reading anything here on Lymenet. I am also a patient of Dr. K and maybe could help answer any questions.
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