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adamm
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I'm considering starting it--has it helped anyone?
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I take EFA's .... I think they're good for everyone ... though I think the American diet is too high in fats, it's the bad fats, most are deficient in the EFA's.

Be sure it's a good source, you don't want to be using something that has mercury.

I take Omega Pure by Arctic Oils.

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Yes, It helps me a lot. I take 4 grams per day of omega 3 / fish oil.

Some would say not to do it because of the vitamin D content, while others would strongly advocate it.

For the most part it isknown to help with all sorts of cognitive function, including depression, mental fog. Maybe you could ressearch its functions/case studies? I ahve done it a lot in the past but nothing is jumping out at me to cite at this moment.

It is thought to also be an immune regulator of sorts and is used in "autoimmune" disorders.

I swear by it for myself!

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YES! a good pharmaceutical grade oil is best.
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I think it has helped with my headaches.

I take 15 grams of vegetarian EFA's in a.m. and 2400 mg fish oil at nigt

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I love my fish oil supplements. I take 4 1000mg capsules per day...2 in the morning and 2 in the evening.

I started taking this last August and gradually worked up to 4 capsules a day. A Psychriatric Nurse Practioner is following my care...I suffer from depression, and I am bi-polar (Lyme related??) It has helped me immensely. It is also very good for your heart, skin, muscles and your mood.

I have seen a HUGE difference.

Hugs, Perplexed [woohoo]

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my llmd ran a fatty acid profile on my red blood cells-i was out of balance-too much 3, not enough 6 & 9. gotta balance

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Omega-3 supplementation (or inclusion in diet through food) is indicated for every person alive if they want to continue being alive.

Deficiency can cause serious problems. And, as previous poster mentioned, the 3 - 6 - 9 Omega oils must be in balance.

Some people with infections or neurological conditions may benefit from therapeutic dosage, rather than maintenance dose of the healthy oils.

Your doctor can advise you on best levels and sources. If you get fish oil, be sure it is certified mercury free.


THE BETTER BRAIN BOOK by David Perlmutter, MD might be a good read.

http://inutritionals.com/betterbrainbook.php
- you can view a video here, too.


http://www.inutritionals.com/

http://inutritionals.com/brainsustain.php


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Recently started with a Naturopath Medical Degree Dr and he stated the basic 4's EVERYONE should be on for the rest of their life is:

1. Good Probiotic
2. Good Multi Vit.
3. HDL for digestive support
4. Fish oil in Spring, Summer, Fall THEN SWITCH TO Cod oil in Winter Months.

Thought it was interesting in the swithc for Omegas of Fish/Cod. Said it had to do with sedentary, cooler atmospheres in winter, that Cod supplied us with more of what we need in winter months then switching back to Fish.

Just thought I would add....

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And a fish/flax/borage Omega-3 supp. wouldn't provide anything

the would feed or fortify our Bb, like some supps. (i.e. magnesium)

do?

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I find krill oil to be far superior to fish oil. It is much better absorbed, has a far greater affect on balancing lipids, and does not cause reflux and belching. It is also pure, being from tiny animals, much smaller than fish,so there is less concern about mercury contamination.

CJNELSON - what is HDL for digestion? The only HDL I know of is good cholesterol. I take prescription digestive enzymes. Did you mean to say HCA? Thanks,

Klutzo

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HDL - OOPPSS!!! No! HCL!

product by EMPOWER Natural medicine

HCL Balance Enhanced Digestive Blend

supports digestive function

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My 12 yo dd is having neuro symptoms for the past 10 days. We have done CAT scans, MRI of head and spine, and a pediatric neurologist did some eval with her in the emergency room. None of these turned up anything abnormal. And her first Lyme tests (basically ELISA) came back negative -- no surprise there.

My question is this: does the testing I mention above rule out Lyme disease for her? Her primary symptom right now is that when fatigued or stressed, especially, she cannot walk and can barely crawl. But sometimes throughout the day she gets around alright but with wobbly legs. Not sure if I should contine to pursue Lyme diagnosis or to move on to other possible explanations.

I have an appt with a LLMD, but not until March 12th. Our whole family is on hold (since mid-Nov now) while we are trying to sort this out.

thanks for your help

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Definiely pursue the dx! The only scan that will be abnormal

in most Lyme cases is a SPECT, and even that may come back

clean when there actually is a problem. As for the ELISA--

75% of infected patients will, according to Johns Hopkins

(a LOUSY institution in most ways when it comes to Lyme),

test negative on it. In spinal taps they virtually never find

the bugs. The only test worth half of anything is a Western Blot

done by Igenex labs in CA.


My neuro symptoms developed,

and reached a level of severity close to that which they're at

now,

9 months out, ten days after I was bitten. Its good you have an

LLMD apt--just be on the lookout for any sooner appts. that

may pop up. See about getting on cancelation lists.


Well, I really hope it isn't Lyme...a good

LLMD

will also be familiar with a lot of other Lyme-like conditions,

and should be able to give you some good info about those too.

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Adamm, I am not a Dr., just a mom in the war zone of TBD but I think Yes!The oils are vital. Within two days of our daughter's visit to a brain-damaged clinic, there was improvement. She has many psych and neuro issues from the ticks venom.

But she has only self mutilated once in 10 months and there have been no suicide attempts. Pretty impressive for someone that has attempted 16 times.

Her cognitive skills are improving also. She was able to finally pass her driving test and now has a part time job. She is to try a medical terminology class which starts next week and she will be 21 on Groundhog Day.

Many things were changed. She takes abilify, cymbalta, adderal, Nordic Naturals EPA, CoQ10, a modified diet close to the South Beach but she is not good at being strict. She is better when she is more careful since she also is now insulin dependent. She also takes a good multi vitamin and Mg.

A few others but not daily. She has gotten very tired of meds over the long course of this battle. I push others when possible.

I also started using some Morton Salt again. I had stopped years ago but then wondered if she may have low iodine levels.

The oils are in combination with many other changes along with a couple of wonderful Drs and prayers from many but a couple of years ago, I was afraid we would never see her 21st birthday.

Good luck, and remember that things can get better. lmt

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A little education goes a long way; Fish oils are basically a distilled product from all parts of the fish, cod or fish liver oils are distilled from the livers only. There is a higher concentration of the fat soluble vitamins in the livers of fish hence those vitamins will be present in higher concentration in the fish liver oils. If you read the labels of "fish oils" you will see that the most they say is in there are epa, dha, and tocopherols (vit E). This is not to say that trace amounts of A & D won't be there, but probably not in significant amounts. Vitamins A & D will be present in the liver oils, and the label will reflect this, but will only prevent a deficiency in wintertime if you get adequate sun exposure without sunscreen in the summertime. EPA and DHA tend to be metabolized into anti inflammatory prostaglandins, whereas omega 6 fatty acids become arachidonic acid, a very pro inflammatory fatty acid that also has a part in processing interleukins and inflammatory cytokines. Inflammation is a necessary evil, as without it we could not repair damaged tissues, but the process does have a pain component. The other fun fact about Omega fatty acids is that they are incorporated into the lipid bilayer of cellular membranes of ALL our cells, and a proper balance is necessary for proper signal transduction and membrane fluidity and function. Nerve cells are no exception. The "western diet" as it is called is high in the omega 6 oils and low in the omega three oils and hence with growth and cell turnover, you can tend to have an imbalance toward the Omega 6, and in that circumstance, a little injury will go a long way to making us uncomfortable in one way or another. It is also possible to have too much omega 3, but that is rare with the western diet. Flax oil, walnuts, hemp and other things that aren't commonly in the diet are sources of Omega 3s, but several enzyme conversions need to take place to make them useable, and these enzymes can be impaired if there are other nutritional deficits, Magnesium for instance. The DHA and EPA in fish oils or fish liver oils are readily absorbable and useable and no enzyme modifications are necessary. Some people develop digestive problems when starting, commonly diarrhea or constipation, but as distressing as it may seem it is relevant to the undrstanding of the total health of the individual. The majority report not much change initially but a gradual improvement (6 to 12 weeks) in sense of well being. Most "itises" gradually improve over that time frame as well, plantar fasciitis, bursitis, tendinitis, etc. I take one capsule of fish oil daily, and varying amounts of fish derived vitamin D through the year, the least in the summer when I worship the sun. Omega three fatty acids protect against sunburn, but don't make us impervious to it.
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My LLMD puts all patients on it immediately...and says it should be taken before bedtime...that's when the body heals. It can be taken any time...but you might as well get the full benefit and take it before sleep.

I was recommended the Metagenics brand...and two capsuals at night. My joint's are much better, my skin became more moist and plumper looking...(healthier looking) and was told my llmd that it restores the vital outer layer of fat in every cell membrain, including the brain...which when healthy, keeps free radicals from invasion. Very impt. for the whole body..but expecially for lyme brains like mine!!!

This is a must do!

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