Topic: Can florastor and probiotics prevent yeast alone?
cantgiveupyet
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Im worried that this wont be enough for me with my past yeast issues. My potential new LLMD doesnt like nystatin or difflucan. They would not budge on this.
While I do believe that florastor can prevent yeast, im just not sure that I will be yeast free with this alone.
Anyone have any ideas on this?
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Michelle M
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Theralac kept me yeast-free all through treatment. It's amazing. Have you given it a try?
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lymebytes
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I take saccharomyces boulardii ("generic" Florastor) and this potent probiotic: http://tinyurl.com/2x3kf3 And still worry about candida. I am pretty sure it was Schaller that said anyone on abx should be on diflucan, but I have never been. Sort of worrisome for sure.
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Why is your doc opposed to diflucan?
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Clarissa
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From what I understand, Florastor, Theralac, Primal Defense, Natren Healthy Trinity, acidophilius, etc all keep your gut balanced but they do not KILL existing yeast.
After 8 mos of IV Rocephin and then 18 mos of orals (plus probiotics) I still needed to treat the yeast after being off abx:
3 mos of Diflucan (KILLS the yeast) Probiotics (restores gut flora) strict anti-candida diet (STARVES the yeast)
It all depends on the person. I also had years of abx for acne as a teenager (NO probiotics, of course), so by the time I was treated for Lyme in my 30's, I was already festering in Candida.
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Florastor won't kill yeast or do anything to help you kill fungi. Florastor IS a fungus that helps prevent c.difficile by crowding it out in the intestines. Anytime you are on antibiotics you should take 2 Florasotr per day to prevent c.difficile.
To kill yeast you need Diflucan, Nystatin, etc prescription antifungals plus a sugar free diet and low carbs.
probiotics are things like acidophilus that help replensih your colon from what the antibiotics kill off. Space the probiotics out away from your antibiotics as much as possible because they are just killed off by the antibiotics if you take them together. VSL # 3 is the most potent and best tested probiotic. Theralac is ok, it makes me sick and causes nausea. Good luck.
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cantgiveupyet
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It was something to do with the Biaxin and difflucan interaction. But also they dont use antifungals as a preventive while on abx. Just florastor and probiotics.
Just being on abx for about 3 weeks, i now have an Ecoli UTI.
I was taking theralac and femdophilis, nystatin nightly and it allowed Ecoli to overgrow. and i had severe constipation.
I worry because i tried abx when i first got sick and couldnt stay on them due to yeast infections. So bad i had one for a year straight.
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Everyone's body reacts differently to the antibiotics. I have had no yeast issues since being on antibiotics. I take a couple teaspoons of a good refrigerated probiotic once daily, then a couple acidophilus pills from the drug store with other meals.
I was on Primaxin, azithromycin, and Flagyl (all IV) and the only time I started to develop a little fungus on my tongue was after adding the Flagyl. I stopped the Flagyl due to the side effects, and that cleared up by itself without any antifungals.
I am now on IV Primaxin, oral azithromycin, and oral rifampin and still have had no yeast issues. I have NOT cut out sugars or carbs from my diet either and still continue my normal probiotics. I would not recommend to others to continue the sugar that I do, but my point is that everyone is different. For me probiotics have been enough.
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cantgiveupyet
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kman- I agree, and i tend to be more yeasty than most. but before getting so sick i did fine on abx.
I seem to do very well with diflucan every 4 days and nystatin daily while on the abx...no yeast while doing this. This is my urologist protocol when i get an infection,
but this wont be allowed.
I guess i will give florastor a try, but with my constipation that could really make things horrible.
i eat no sugar and very low carbs.
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stymielymie
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vfend will kill yeast and fungi and molds.
as per question, i do not believe with long term abx probiotics are strong enough to hold off the superinfection of yeast and fungi in the body.
i believe many with bb cured still have a system superinfection of yeast and fungi.
all yeast and mold are fungi all fungi are not yeast, mushrooms are fungi, not yeast or mold.
a good dose of diflucan or vfend is imperative after long term abx to kill the superinfection of yeast that will take ove the body systemic yeast cannot be well tested and has the same symptoms as lyme.
also long term abx cause superinfections of dormant viruses. thats why many on abx have high hh6 ,shingles lymphomas and herpes simplex. they are also very prone to influenza virus.
i have been on acyclovir, antiviral for 4 years and never had a viral outbreak of any kind. this is very important, in that a viral infection will substantially lower your immune system,viruses are harder to kill, and cause an outbreak of the bb again.
this is not proven, no tests have been done, this was started by myself as a lab rat, 5years ago. this is drawn from my medical experience, and has proven effective for me alone. this may not work for anybody else. this must be discussed with your doctor.
but, it only makes common sense, it does not really need research, it is self intuitive.
docdave dentist not a medical doc
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tdtid
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I think some people are just more prone to yeast than others. I stuck to the diet, did Theralac and one other probiotic (6 a day) and Florastor and still the 14 months of abx caught up to me and yet others can seem to keep it at bay with no diet and random prevenatives.
DocDave, Glad to see you around. I thought I had seen a post of yours awhile back about rotating the variuos anti fugal meds, but can't seem to find it now.
You listed Diflucan, Nystatin and Vfend. I have the first two and most recently was given Nizoral. What seems to be happening is that Diflucan and Nizoral work great the first couple of days and then things stand still, so I'm wondering if this is where the rotation helps.
Since I was started on Nystatin, taken off it to try Diflucan and then when it still wasn't working, taken off that to the Nizoral. But that means I have some of all of them now.
Do you feel it may be more beneficial to rotate these and if so, how many days between rotation? I see my LLMD next week and plan to talk to him about this, but thought if I came in to his office with some solid information, it would sound more creditible.
Anyone have input?
Cathy
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I don't understand her stand on Diflucan and Nystatin....but especially on the Nystatin, which is very benign.
Nystatin doesn't interact negatively with anything that I know of and does not harm the liver.
You could buy OTC anti-fungals.
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stymielymie
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i don't remember posting rotating antiyeast meds but probably did. brain fog for many weeks. i did recommend pulsing abx and using antiyeast during the down time. 2weeks on 2 weeks off may work well, must titrate the pulsing, done by doctor.
i actually am a believer in not using long term abx. sorry folks. after lots of review, long term abx may be half our problem. we are introducing a resistance factor in the formula that many don't understand.
i do believe most off my damage came during the initial killing of bb and co's and not stopping, detoxing the toxins and restarting. i do believe my auto immune system problems are related to the massive toxins released during the first application of abx. detoxing was not a major objective in 2000.
any medicine long term is bad. our body and whatever pills you take, do become resistant by the body.
i actually felt worse after abx than before.
docdave
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tdtid
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Well, I'm definitely in a brain fog stage, so it's very possible I either totally misread a post or even crazier, I dreamed the whole thing up myself. Thanks Doc Dave for the clarification.
But back on your original question, cantgiveupyet, I think sadly, no two people are going to respond to ANY treatment the same, no matter how things are treated. Some will be more prone to yeast, some can't take certain meds and we all end up finding our own tolerances.
I too had a doctor that wasn't of the belief that we needed any yeast meds and just kept pushing diet and probiotics, but sadly, it did get me eventually, but others haven't had the same problems, so luck of the draw?????
Cathy
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tailz
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Careful with probiotics that contain bifidus. I read they can cause an overgrowth of bacteria. Of course I learned that after I bought a $25 bottle.
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cantgiveupyet
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Tailz- ive already had an overgrowth of the probiotics found on a swab done by a gynacologist, so now i ease up on the probiotics.
Lymetoo- i was yelled at and told I can go back to see my previous LLMD if i wished to continue with the difflucan and Biaxin at the same time, they cause major problems with the liver when used together.
Nystatin isnt allowed while on florastor, but i would rather spend 5 bucks for nystatin then the cash for the florastor.
LLMD feels that the difflucan just covers symptoms where as the florastor grows and fights off the harmful bacteria/yeast.
Im treating a UTI right now, and im so sick at my stomach and fear constipation again.
Stymie- thanks for your input and opinion, it is exactly how i feel and i base my feeling on experience, i know my body.
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I am trying quinine to flush out my yeast...
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if you space the nystatin far away from the florastor wouldn't that be okay then so they wouldn't cancel each other out?
i am taking diflucan and florastor and i am trying to figure out how to space them out.
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tdtid
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Catwoman,
I would talk to your LLMD about that since I was told not to take Diflucan and Flurostor together. I'm told that any of the antifungal meds will stop the Flurostor from working.
So in a nutshell, I read that to mean you may be wasting the money on Flurostor, but it won't hurt you per se. But as I said, check with a doctor since I'm sure there are other opinions and I know my LLMD has had me on combinations that others have said here shouldn't be mixed.
Cathy
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Nystatin and Diflucan and other antifungals will just kill the Florastor. Wait until you stop taking them to start on the Florastor or else you are wasting your money. You can take Florastor with antibiotics and you should to prevent c.diff. Space out probiotics and antibiotics, but Florasor is ok.
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what do you mean that bifidus causes an overgrowth of bacteria? what would the symptoms of this be?
i take probiotics with bifidus, so I was wondering....
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dontlikeliver
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I would till try to get Nystatin and take daily while on abx. Diflucan interacts with Biaxin.
If you can't get an rx for Nystatin, you can buy it over the counter, from online pharmacy in Germany. That's what I've done and it's a 1/3 cheaper than in New York.
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