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I had a yeast infection long before my Lyme treatment. Since Lyme treatment and taking good care with probiotics and diet I never had one.
A white tongue doesn't necessarily mean yeast. Mine is white but it's no yeast. I heard that it can also indicate a dysbiosis in your gut flora with bad bacteries dominating.
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The only time during my treatment that I started to get a little fungus on my tongue was after starting IV Flagyl. After stopping, it went away, but I never had a major yeast problem and I just take a good probiotic. By the way, I also am NOT on a strict anti-sugar diet and still have not had yeast problems. Everyone is different, and a white film on the tongue does not mean yeast.
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No. I've been on antibiotics continuously for five years and eat what I want. Dave
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I'm stuffing with my face with milk duds as we speak
I try to eat healthy but I get terrible sugar cravings. Been on abx since July 2007 and have not had the yeasties yet to my knowledge. Sometimes I feel like I have unusually bad breath-- baking soda tooth paste and a tongue scraper helped some. I have not had vaginal probs either.
I think it really does pay to be extra dedicated to your probiotics. I take two different brands each day, just to be safe.
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Lost a long post to this thread arghhh!!!
I think anyone with a depressed immune system is likely to have problems with a systemic candida infection so yes, most lyme patients probably have it to some degree.
You may not have outward signs of systemic candida like a white tongue or vaginal symptoms. It is insidious. Symptoms overlap with lyme so you may think that all of your symptoms are TBI's when in actuality some or even a lot of them can be candida.
Years ago before I knew I had lyme and the first time I was ever muscle tested, I was told by my herbalist/muscle tester that I had systemic candida. I did not believe it and refused treatment. Finally I became desperate and went to the local Fred Meyers and got something to kill yeast just to see if it would have any affect. WOW did I have die off!!! After a year of treatment I had reduced my symptoms a great deal.
Not just abx cause systemic candida. Blood sugar abnormalities (diabetics are prone to candida), eating sugar, imbalanced gut bacteria, lack of oxygen in the body (probably common in TBI), depressed immune system (common in TBI) etc. etc.. My nephew was born with a problem because his mother had candida. Balancing his bacterial balance took away his colic when he was just a few months old!!
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I think everyone on antibiotics should protect themselves from getting yeast. Once you get it, you'll be sorry you didn't take care of yourself.
Craving sweets is a HUGE indication that you could have yeast.
DIET is extremely important in protecting yourself from yeast and in GETTING WELL!!!
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I havent taken probitotics for the 8-9 months I have been on abx. No yeast infections that I am aware of.
I am not going to push my luck so I am starting back up.
The weird thing is that my GI tract seems annoyed now that I am taking probiotics,
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I agree with Terry .... you may not have outward symptoms that are obviously yeast (white tongue/vaginal discharge) yet still have yeast. The symptoms overlap those of Lyme Disease.
I know I do not have yeast because I am symptom-free AND have no yeast symptoms.
I also watch the sugar. At this point, I'm on fewer abx and do indulge occasionally, but it's not a daily thing for me.
I'm also still taking my probiotics, but I've cut back to only Theralac and Ultra Flora, I used to take VSL#3 as well.
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quote:Originally posted by merrygirl: The weird thing is that my GI tract seems annoyed now that I am taking probiotics
Melissa,
Maybe you are taking too much or the wrong kind. In the gut it's all about balance and one can get problems by taking too much probiotics, if your gut isn't missing that much of this kind.
I always thought that with probiotics it's the more the better. My doc precribed me a kind of probiotic that came in drops and told me to start slowly with 4 drops. Of course, I didn't listen and started with 10 drops. I can tell you that my GI tract was very displeased and told me so.
Some probiotics make me constipated, from some I get kind of diarrhea. Others are just fine. And this can change anytime - depending on the delicate balance in the gut.
I have a friend with lots of food allergies who cannot take ANY probiotics because she gets allergic reactions to them.
I'd try to take less or better try another kind of bacteria and start slowly.
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I think all Lymies with depressed TH1 response get some form of yeast.
I paid for an expensive stool test that said I didnt have yeast but at the same time I had no bifido friendlly bacteria.
I dont believe this because
A) I herx hard on anti-fungals B) I react to mold C) I react to things that feed yeast.
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Had lots of different candida tests (2 times blood, 3 times stool, 2 times urine, 1 probe from my white tongue and at least 4 vaginal testings. All tests came back negative.
I don't react to any antifungal and I tried nearly all of them, I don't react to mold or to things that feed yeast.
Cannot really believe it myself but what more could I do?
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Well, my tongue was always a little coated even before I got
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Gaby, its possible that the yeast isint a big issue for you then. A depressed TH1 can cause a lot of different bacteria and viruses to become reactivated.
This is where I am now with my treatment. I am so desperate I really want to try the Marshall Proticol but my LLMD doesnt agree.
Im also scared that my blood pressure will get to low since I allready suffer from orthostatic hypotension. Low BP when standing.
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I did quite a bit of research on probiotics so I'll mention some of it here.
quote:The weird thing is that my GI tract seems annoyed now that I am taking probiotics,
A reaction to supplementation with probiotics usually means that you are out of balance and you NEED them. As your gut flora comes into balance, bad bacteria die and you can have a reaction. Probiotics can also cause a detoxification reaction. Friendly bacteria bind with some unwanted substances, causing them to be excreted. One study concluded that probiotics stimulate production of natural antibodies.
As six has mentioned before, a huge part of the immune system is in the gut so you can imagine how important it is to keep your gut in balance.
Several studies show that lactobacilli inhibits or kills H. pylori. Good bacteria in the gut protects us against potential pathogens by a mechanism called 'colonization resistance'. When the gastrointestinal tract is colonized with enough beneficial bacteria, it prevents the pathogenic, disease causing bacteria from taking hold.
There are many strains of bacteria that are considered probiotic but not all of them have been extensively studied, however based on many years of use all over the world, probiotics in general are considered safe.
Most probiotic strains of bacteria are non-pathogenic (non-disease causing) however caution should be used in those who have conditions that seriously compromise their immune system such as in someone with aids or in newborns who are seriously ill.
Infection with Lactobacilli or Bifidobacteria is rare. Saccharomyces Boulardii could become pathogenic in some people who have compromised immune systems.
Systemic candida inefections are very difficult to get rid of. As tutu said, diet is a very important factor but other measures are needed too like antifungals, enzymes to break down the cell walls etc.. Balancing gut flora is a small part of dealing with a systemic infection. Taking probiotics alone will not get rid of a systemic yeast infection.
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I have no outward signs of Candida. I have been religious about taking probiotics since day one.
My LLMD tells me there is no lab test that is really good at diagnosing systemic candida. It should be a clinical diagnosis (hmmm...sounds familiar)
But something changed after Bicillin shots. I don't know if this can make you more susceptible to systemic candida, but I now have an extremely hard time with abx, where as before I herxed differently, now it is like my body instantly rejects abx and wild herxes begin.
I have talked w/ another member who said she did much better handling abx after being treated for systemic candida.
I am pursuing this with my LLMD at my next visit, as I truly believe that bypassing the gut with IM or IV can cause yeast issues outside the gut in the bloodstream. This is my theory and I don't know if it is true.
I have had new symptoms, old symptoms, odd symptoms and honestly, it doesn't feel like the Lyme I knew.
I believe it was Schaller that said in one of his articles anyone on antibiotics absolutely need to be on diflucan or nystatin.(Don't think Nystatin crosses into blood)
When yeast crosses into the bloodstream, it can mimic LD.
In Buhner's book he mentions that neuro lymies not improving on traditional treatment, were put on 25 days of diflucan and ALL responded and were considered well.
Makes one wonder when LD could be gone and systemic candida is the issue.
I also herx like crazy on a recommended OTC yeast supp "NOW Candida Clear" (higly recommended or threelac at a reputable candida site) which tells me, I am on the right track with pursuing systemic candida, something is up.
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Anyone feel it is a good idea to rotate probiotics? I'm currently doing that, I must have had at least 8 different kinds now. It seems to help me quite a bit, but it so hard to really know. Also what am I tinkering with?
I saw something interesting when I was looking into Dr. Trevor Marshall's site. A discourse on how microbiota works in the gut. They took the microbiota from a thin mouse and substituted it in a fat mouse. You can guess, it turned the fat mouse into a thin mouse. The bacteria in our gut to some degree makes us who we are and how our metabolism works. The total process of how our body chemistry works. It may have an effect on TH1 performance or over performance. Microbiota is an organization and somehow we have re-organized that organization. We probably feel best when the organization is what it was prior to getting ill.
So probiotic rotation is something you probably do over the long haul hoping to get lucky. So I guess that's been my approach over the last year.
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