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Take that band 39 to the bank. Nothing else but Lyme can make that band show up---NOTHING. Same thing with band 83-93. I'm pretty sure band 31 is Lyme specific as well.
REad Dr C's Western Blot explanation in Medical Questions. It's the 8th "stickie" down.
I would bring part of the text here for you, but I'm on my laptop and I find it difficult to copy and paste here.
REad what he says about the bands you have.
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9 cross-reactive for Borrellia 12 specific for Bb 18 unknown 20 cross-reactive for Borrellia 21 unknown 22 specific for Bb, probably really the 23/25 band 23-25 outer surface protein C (OspC), specific for Bb 28 unknown 30 unknown; probably an outer surface protein; common in European and one California strain 31 outer surface protein A (OspA), specific for Bb 34 outer surface protein B (OspB); specific for Bb 35 specific for Bb 37 specific for Bb 38 cross-reactive for Bb 39 is a major protein of Bb flagellin; specific for Bb 41 flagellin protein of all spirochetes; this is usually the first to appear after a Bb infection and is specific for all Borrellia 45 cross-reactive for all Borellia (sometimes people with Lyme who have this band positive also have the co-infection Ehrlichiosis) 50 cross-reactive for all Borrellia 55 cross-reactive for all Borrellia 57 cross-reactive for all Borrellia 58 unknown but may be a heat-shock Bb protein 60 cross reactive for all Borrellia 66 cross-reactive for all Borrelia, common in all bacteria 83 specific antigen for the Lyme bacterium, probably a cytoplasmic membrane 93 unknown, probably the same protein in band 83, just migrates differently in some patients
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Band 39: Unknown what this antigen is, but based on research at the National Institute of Health (NIH), other Borrelia (such as Borrelia recurrentis that causes relapsing fever), do not even have the genetics to code for the 39 kDa antigen, much less produce it. It is the most specific antibody for borreliosis of all.
Band 83: This is the DNA or genetic material of Borrelia burgdorferi. It is the same thing as the 93, based upon the medical literature. But laboratories vary in assigning significance to the 83 versus the 93.
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Hi sunseaflower,
13 years? Ugh.
Welcome! I see you're from Turkey. Come back with more queestions, if you like.
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Sorry your feeling so bad. I have those same symptoms.
I had + on 31, 83,93 band as well. LLMD says most definite for Lyme. The only other way you could have a positive 31 band is if you had that lyme vaccine put out awhile back. Can't remember the name.
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: Band 39: Unknown what this antigen is, but based on research at the National Institute of Health (NIH), other Borrelia (such as Borrelia recurrentis that causes relapsing fever), do not even have the genetics to code for the 39 kDa antigen, much less produce it. It is the most specific antibody for borreliosis of all.
For years I've challenged people on this board and others many times to show me a link or any other lead to this supposed NIH research regarding 39kDa................to no avail.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a verifiable copy of this "research" as I am the proud owner of this band too, however I haven't found any yet.
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thank you for all explanation. really my concerns was decreased. i received 15 month antibiotic treatment.8 month rochephin 2 gram,3 month ketek 800mg,3 month roxitromisin. it didn t work. and it hasn t been any herxheimer reaction. one lyme sufferer said to me`, if you haven t any benefit antibiotic treatment and you haven t been any herxheimer reaction , perhaps your diagnose may be wrong i had western blot done 2 times and two test was positive i have a dilemma. if i have lyme , must antibiotic provide positive effect even if its little or if i have lyme should be antibiotic cause herxheimer reaction? my english insufficiently.i am sorry for expression fault thank in advance
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Not everyone herxes from the antibiotics. With bands 39 and 83 present, I would say your diagnosis is right....but then I'm not a doctor!
Maybe you have some coinfections like babesia or bartonella.
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hi Sunseaflower,
You haven't had ANY improvement of signs or symptoms? After 15 months you should have seen improvement.
After your 13 years of misery, typically heavy duty, prolonged multiple antibiotics need to continue even beyond your 15 months of treatment.
You tested positive for Lyme.
However, have you seriously considered co-infections?
I would, if I were you! What the signs and symptoms of these are is confusing. Search this medical forum for the past 2-3 days for a thread listing signs and symptoms of a lot of co-infections.
i have co enfection test done.bartonella babesia erlichiosis was negative only mycoplasma igM test was positive and i took doxy for it then igM disappeared. i want to try rife machine as last resort.
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Pleae remember that coinfections are OFTEN not diagnosable by a blood test. These are also clinical diagnoses!
The rife machine can't work for the three Lyme types of pathogens, if nothing else, because 2 of the types do not have a cell wall for the rife machine to target onto. Also, Rife is not for coinfections.
quote:Originally posted by daise: The rife machine can't work for the three Lyme types of pathogens, if nothing else, because 2 of the types do not have a cell wall for the rife machine to target onto. Also, Rife is not for coinfections.
I have a list of frequencies and there ARE frequencies for babesia and bartonella.
There is also a listing for "lyme hatchlings" and "lyme secondary", whatever that means.
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