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Mellitin is a main ingredient in bee ointment. If you google mellitin you will find it kills healthy human cells as well as germs.
So, be careful. Hiker53
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My knee has been hurting lately so I just applied some of the bee venom cream from Canada. It certainly does help the pain go away.
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Up in response to recent questions about bee venom.
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Up for update. I used Venex last December for a mild relapse following my father's tragic death. Again in August when I got a brief lyme relapse following a bout of the flu (H1N1?) Both times it took care of all the lyme symptoms, and energy testing shows no more active lyme.
I'm currently using biophoton nosode techniques (PE-1, similar to the Bionic 880) for clearing other remaining coinfections, including a tick born viral and some molds. I find this technique to be very effective for lyme as well, although I no longer need to use it.
Lyme has not given me much trouble in two years, other than the above mild symptom recurrances following major incidents. I'm expecting that once I get the virals and molds handled, lyme won't pop up much any more either for any reason.
Of all the treatments I have used, Venex has been by far the easiest, least expensive and the most effective of all (except for photon nosode treatment, which can be rather complex.) In my experience, bee venom ointment works wonders against lyme!
beevenom.com or dancingbeeacres.com
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Bejoy: Do you (or someone else) know whether the non-allergenic version is as potent as the unmodified?
Also, which of the recommended companies are from Canada?
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hmm bee venom indeed looks like great , clinically proven treatment (found quite a few of papers ,mostly with arthritis patients)
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean by non-allergic version. Venex has homepathics in it which help people not to be allergic to it. The manufacturer said that he has never known anyone to react badly to it, although you still have to be careful.
Both websites I posted sell the same product. Beevenom.com is the manufacturer.
Keep in mind that much research on bee venom is mostly on rheumatoid and on MS, both diseases possibly either lyme related or lyme itself.
Dr. K. uses bee venom injections with great success. I found that I didn't need to go that route, because I got better with the transdermal preparation.
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People with POTS are often on beta blockers. Beta blockers may make it impossible to recover from anaphylactic shock so please consider that this treatment could be very dangerous for you.
A warning comes with the shots but if you are allergic, it would also apply to the venom.
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Non-allergenic: Apihealth?
Is this version as effective as the others that are not, "non-allergenic"?
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I have not tried Apihealth. I have used Venex. I don't know how the ingredients may differ. Venex has been effective for me and for several friends. I don't personally know anyone who has tried Apihealth, other than on this post.
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Thanks, bejoy!
I have looked on the Apihealth site, and don't see mention of it being non-allergenic.
Perhaps mookiewill will stop by.
What concerns me about this is getting an epipen. I don't have a Canadian doctor who would support me in Venom treatment, which means I would have to purchase in the US with no insurance.
Not that you should be insurance jealous - Canadian insurance has been of minor use.
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How long did you use the bee venom ointment before feeling that you were in remission?
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Hey brave one, if you have not had anaphylactic reactions to bee stings before, I don't think you have to have an epipen to try this. I'd just try it the first two or three times with someone present who could get you help if you needed it, or get to you to someplace where they could administer an epipen.
The maker told me he has never had anyone have an anaphylactic reaction to the ointment, to his knowledge, but you have to be careful anyway.
Insurance isn't going to cover this ointment for any of us, but it is relatively inexpensive - about $30. a tube. I do hear your pain. Insurance covered none of my treatment.
HopingMom, it's impossible to answer accurately how long it took for bee venom to get me into remission. I had taken so many other treatments already, and had a list of at least ten other rampant coinfections.
I think it was a matter of a few weeks for me to feel like I had made some serious headway, and much of my neuro symptomatology had cleared.
I did post a log of my reactions to the ointment. If you do a search you could find another of my posts on bee venom.
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Hi Joy,
My sense is that I could become allergic to venom, sort of how after I had a SPECT with dye I became more sensitive to fish.
My sense is that venom would do tremendous good for me.
I'll purchase some this week.
Thanks for your post.
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Up for more experiences with bee venom. It sounds really great, if enough people have had good experiences with it.
Has any one had the injections? If so, what was your experience??
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OK, i am a little nervous about trying this. Is an epipen enough in case? Where do you get one??? Are they easy to get and do they work in this case?
I have been stung before as a child and never had a reaction, other than pain, LOL.
I was thinking about trying this or Essential Oils Valor oil. I heard that does wonders for pain and symptoms as well. Anyone try this?
Finally, Does anyone know how this related to Honey? I hear people mentioning honey as well as venom. I know I have heard of some using raw honey and cinnamon but I have not heard of many who say that worked for them.
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The way bee venom ointment works is that the enzymes break down the spirochete proteins, and probably also the cyst coatings. You rub it on the skin and it gets absorbed.
I don't think many people on this board have tried this preparation for lyme yet. It is considered experimental, since there are only in-vitro studies done on bee venom for lyme, and no research with Venex being used on live people with verified lyme disease.
I have had several friends use it sucessfully. I think it is one of the most effective easiest and cheapest lyme treatments.
There is no one thing that works for everyone, but I'd like to see more people on this board try this product, because it worked so well for me and some of my friends, and because the side effects are so minimal and don't promote fungal growth.
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Thank you for sharing, bejoy. I must admit I don't know anything about bee venom ointment. Any suggestions for which products to try or where to read up on it?
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I have used the bee venom for areas of achiness.
I had a neuroma in my right foot, which I considered an effect of Lyme. I put a small amount of Venex on it every night for a few days--now the achiness is gone.
It may be that the neuroma is handled. However, as it has come and gone in the past, I won't say it's GONE until I'm sure!!
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I would think as soon as you rub it on an area, say your elbow...It gets absorbed in the blood and quickly travels elsewhere. No? How do you ensure absorption at the site. I guess that is why you rub it into the base of the neck. How about under the foot, such as with essential or healing oils.
I have to at least try it. I am ordering some Venex from Dancing Bee Acres.
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