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Toth receives 32 months in death of [Lyme] patient
By Steve Fry The Capital-Journal
Published Saturday, March 29, 2008
Former physician John Toth unexpectedly was sentenced Friday to 32 months in prison in a case involving the death of a patient.
Toth had pleaded no contest on Nov. 21, 2007, to a reduced charge of reckless involuntary manslaughter in the April 20, 2006, death of Beverly A. Wunder, 47, of Topeka.
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Toth receives 32 months in death of patient By Steve Fry The Capital-Journal
Published Saturday, March 29, 2008
Former physician John Toth unexpectedly was sentenced Friday to 32 months in prison in a case involving the death of a patient.
Toth had pleaded no contest on Nov. 21, 2007, to a reduced charge of reckless involuntary manslaughter in the April 20, 2006, death of Beverly A. Wunder, 47, of Topeka.
John Toth had previously surrendered medical license
Toth, 58, who originally faced a charge of reckless second-degree murder, had treated Wunder for Lyme disease with a substance not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
According to sentencing guidelines, Toth could either have been imprisoned or placed on probation.
Defense attorney Mark Bennett and deputy district attorney David Debenham had recommended that Shawnee County District Judge Jan Leuenberger approve a departure that would have placed Toth on probation. However, a judge isn't bound by such recommendations.
Following a lengthy explanation, Leuenberger rejected the departure motion, then quickly sentenced a stunned Toth to prison and ordered him jailed immediately.
The packed courtroom, including his family, friends, clergymen and doctors, was silent.
After court, many of Toth's supporters -- who numbered at least 50, with some in tears -- filed up to the courtroom bar to hug the former physician.
Normally if a defendant is to be sentenced to prison, a sheriff's deputy will be posted in the courtroom. None was present Friday.
It was about 10 minutes before a deputy arrived. Toth was giving several of his crying children a group hug, then Bennett spoke to him and escorted him into the judge's office where a deputy waited.
The deputy walked Toth, who wasn't handcuffed, along the hallway where they stepped into an elevator.
Melanie Bezner, the victim's daughter, was surprised Toth was sentenced to prison.
"I'm breathing a sigh of relief because justice has been served for my mother," Bezner said. "My jaw dropped when he was sentenced."
Brandon Bezner, Melanie's husband of five months, said, "It's clear that the judge was familiar with the case."
Beverly Wunder and Toth's wife, Cynthia, were friends and had lunched together, said Melanie Bezner, herself a former patient of Toth.
Bertha "Susie" Groves, who had been listed as a victim of Toth in a reckless aggravated battery charge, sat in the courtroom. As part of the plea agreement, that charge had been dismissed because, had Toth been tried, Groves intended to testify on the doctor's behalf, Groves wrote in an affidavit.
During his remarks Friday to Leuenberger before he was sentenced, Toth noted Groves supported him.
Toth apologized to Wunder's family, saying his desire to help her "caused me to use poor judgment."
"I am truly remorseful for the pain and loss I've caused," Toth said.
Toth, who surrendered his medical license in January, promised the judge he would abide by any parole conditions.
Melanie Bezner had asked Leuenberger to sentence Toth to at least a few months in jail.
Her mother "never had Lyme disease," Bezner said. "But a doctor's greed and disregard for medical regulations and the value of human life cost my mother hers and has forever altered mine."
Wunder and Groves, also treated for Lyme disease, received intravenous infusions of a "heavy metal" known as bismuth, or bismacine, an "unauthorized, inappropriate and professionally unrecognized" treatment by the medical profession that isn't sanctioned by the FDA, District Attorney Robert Hecht has said.
Wunder became ill on April 18, 2005, then died a year and two days later.
In rejecting Toth's motion for probation, Leuenberger said the former doctor didn't operate his medical practice with care but had manipulated his patients.
Toth didn't report the names of 18 patients, including Wunder, to the state as having Lyme disease as required by law, the judge said.
Toth acted recklessly with gross disregard for Wunder, Leuenberger said. The reasons to depart from imprisoning Toth "pale" next to the damage to Wunder, he said.
After court, Hecht said part of the purpose of the Toth case was to obtain as much information as possible from Toth for the FDA on an ongoing investigation in Colorado, California and the Southwest "similar to the present case." Hecht declined to elaborate.
A full debriefing of Toth by state and federal authorities about receiving, delivery or distribution of non-FDA-approved drugs has been postponed.
Steve Fry can be reached at (785) 295-1206 or steve.fry@cjonline com. **********************
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+ 1 Rating Posted by: mohack at Mar 29, 2008 at 08:36:13 AM
*Her mother "never had Lyme disease," Bezner said. "But a doctor's greed and disregard for medical regulations and the value of human life cost my mother hers and has forever altered mine."*
This judge is one of the finest. Keen intellect and understanding the ramifications of Toths actions.
I do hope further Federal charges follow.
+ 1 Rating Posted by: pmnsmiles1806sbcglobalnet at Mar 29, 2008 at 08:56:04 AM
I was a patient of Dr Toth's for many years. He treated me for many things including lyme desease. However, he treated my lyme desease differently.
I will tell you that he never would have intentionally done anything to harm one of his patients. I knew him well as a physician and I would not even be alive today if it was not for God and Dr Toth's treatments.
He is also a Christian, who was very sincere in his belief in Jesus as Savior. All Doctors make mistakes.
Kansas does not recognize alternative medicine as Missouri and other states.
If your mother had gone to a different doctor and had surgery and he had made a mistake, the laws would have overlooked his mistake, but because Dr Toth practiced alternative medicine as well as the traditional medicine, the laws were harsh.
I do understand your loss, and I am praying for you. It will be difficult to ever forgive Dr. Toth's mistake, but I pray you will be able to do so, for your own sake. God bless you. pmn
Posted by: mohack at Mar 29, 2008 at 09:41:26 AM
Edit: Thank goodness you're not a Judge.
Posted by: teamoyahweh at Mar 29, 2008 at 09:56:17 AM
thank you mohack for truly understanding the situation unlike most, and for not being dillusional and under toth's spell just because he's a very charismatic person
Posted by: jmoeblues at Mar 29, 2008 at 10:49:33 AM
The bad thing is most doctors are in it just for the money. so charismatic and alternative adds up to a nut doctor taking your money and paying a little time for a big list of mistakes
Posted by: ksdweller at Mar 29, 2008 at 11:48:17 AM
Prison???? For what???
You people of Kansas, so many of you have such jealous tendencies.
You speak the same silly talk, 'most doctors are in it just for the money', OH BROTHER!!! You seem to be forgetting what the prisons were built for. To cage the people that are a THREAT TO SOCIETY!!!
Have you not heard how full the prisons are? Dr Toth chose a profession that helped people. He made a mistake. How many doctors make mistakes?!
Should we throw all of them in prison? Of course not, that would be crazy. Read between these lines...
After court, Hecht said part of the purpose of the Toth case was to obtain as much information as possible from Toth for the FDA on an ongoing investigation in Colorado, California and the Southwest "similar to the present case." Hecht declined to elaborate.
Now, do you see YOUR rights being abolished here???
We all should have the right to the medicine we choose to use. Whether it be western or eastern (alternative). It is my right.
The woman that died had the right to choose her own healthcare. That is a great thing.
Keep in mind that the FDA approves chemotherapy. Chemo KILLS people EVERYDAY!!!!!! Why have we allowed the FDA to use a poison on our loved ones??? Chemo is POISON.
Just stop a minute and think about what has just happened. Stop your silly thinking about the $$$.
Start thinking that unless you start fighting for YOUR rights...they will be gone. The FDA has an agenda, folks. Why would they want to use Dr Toth as an example???
My question is...Who pays Judge Leuenberger??? Remember this the next time you vote. Dr John Toth is NOT a threat to society and should NOT BE IN PRISON!!!!!
+ 1 Rating Posted by: 278e at Mar 29, 2008 at 12:33:10 PM
ksdweller: Toth is a threat to society, has been for many, many years. He was my sister-in-laws doctor. She isn't with us, thanks to Toth.
+ 1 Rating Posted by: chasss at Mar 29, 2008 at 01:22:25 PM
ksdweller: Dr. Toth should be remembered for what he did.
That is he KILLED someone WHILE NOT following the rules that HELP prevent such from happening.
People die everyday from mistakes others make. If the laws are followed then it becomes civil not crimnal.
Dr. Toth did not follow the law, therefore he is a murderer. I think its that simple. Thouse who don't think so will come up with 100's of excuses for him.
A simple mind like mine sees he did something to someone that was aganist the law, and he held a position of power over them, which caused them to die. He did it on purpose knowing it was illegal and they died. Hes a MURDERER!
+ 2 Rating Posted by: digger_32 at Mar 29, 2008 at 01:50:23 PM
I too was a patient of Dr. Toth for several years.
Before every appointment you had to fill out a form asking if you wanted to be treated with standard medical practices or if you wanted alternative treatment options given to you as well.
If you indicated you did not want alternative treatment options, they were not discussed.
So the fact that the "victims" were treated with alternative medications tells me that they opted for the alternative treatment and as result share some of the responsibility for the outcomes.
I am not trying to say that Dr. Toth is blameless, but the patients would have had to ask for the alternative treatment, and because of that I do not think Dr. Toth should have received a jail sentence.
-1 Rating Posted by: waxco at Mar 29, 2008 at 02:04:40 PM
Doctors "practice" medicine, they don't know all the answers. But should this man go to prison for trying to help someone???
Has he not suffered enough, because he's charismatic doesn't mean he isn't human. I feel for all of you so filled with bitterness.
God decides when you come and when you go.......not some doctor.......when you hear a doctor proclaim "I save lives" pray for him too!! They practice medicine, it's a science.
And guess what, you die when you die. I would strongly take into account Ms. Groves sentiments & opinions, she was there, we were NOT.
-1 Rating Posted by: waxco at Mar 29, 2008 at 02:05:39 PM
Doctors "practice" medicine, they don't know all the answers. But should this man go to prison for trying to help someone???
Has he not suffered enough, because he's charismatic doesn't mean he isn't human. I feel for all of you so filled with bitterness.
God decides when you come and when you go.......not some doctor.......when you hear a doctor proclaim "I save lives" pray for him too. They practice medicine, it's a science. And guess what, you die when you die.
Posted by: nanaplus10 at Mar 29, 2008 at 02:21:04 PM
KSDWELLER - In case you didn't know, we citizens pay our judges!!! Judge Leuenberger was a very reputable, honest attorney and now he has carried those ethics and much more into the Court System.
Posted by: 2minichinz at Mar 29, 2008 at 03:03:47 PM
My family and I were patients of Dr. Toth for many years. He was the only doctor in Topeka who treated me with compassion during the steady deterioration of my knee joints after a car accident.
Since I moved to California 10 years ago, a doctor here has botched gastric bypass surgery on my daughter and put her life in considerable peril and our finances in a shambles.
Dr. Toth never in my experience forced a course of treatment on anyone. He always offered options whenever they were available.
He was a caring sensitive man who regarded patients with respect and compassion when most doctors do not even remember our names.
Doctors are not perfect -- human beings are not perfect; our expectations concerning the medical field are at once naive and inadequate.
We allow pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies to gouge and cheat us, but expect doctors to walk on water.
I am profoundly sorry for any families' loss, but I also feel a profound sense of loss for Dr. Toth -- and those of us he treated.
We are diminished by this witch-hunt against Dr. Toth. This is such a sad situation for all.
+ 1 Rating Posted by: chasss at Mar 29, 2008 at 03:05:09 PM
Dr Toth is a Dr and praticed as such. He took a medical oath to do NO HARM.
He may be a man of god but in thes eyes of the law he is still a murderer. Sorry.
Say all you want in his defense but he still murdered someone wheather it had familys approval or not.
Posted by: IndependentThinker at Mar 29, 2008 at 03:59:06 PM
My, how flippantly some of you pronounce judgment on the priceless life of another human being, as if you have ALL THE FACTS you need to make up your minds conclusively because you read one article about it in the paper!
Do you blindly believe everything you're told? Did you become an expert on this case overnight simply because you read a few random sound bites in this newspaper or other media outlets that may or may not have their facts straight???
For the record, both this newspaper and at least one other Topeka media outlet have reported outright falsehoods about this case on more than a few occasions.
On other occasions, the reporters have presented opinion-based statements as if they were tangible fact without any evidence or sources to support them whatsoever.
I have known Dr. Toth and his wife for many years, first as a Lyme disease patient and now as a close friend.
If anyone is in a position to tell you about this man's character, it's me!
I have seen him and his wife up close and throughout this whole ordeal; a man's TRUE character comes bubbling to the top of his soul when he is in the kind of hot water that Dr. Toth has been in.
He is a gentle, generous, tender-hearted man, and he and his wife have been devastated over Bev Wunder's death and the effect this had on her surviving family.
Susie Groves' unfazed support of Dr. Toth speaks to what she knows about his real character.
Don't forget that Susie endured the same kidney failure that Bev did as a result of this Lyme disease treatment.
Thank you for your voice of sanity, Waxco -- we should all take Susie Groves' opinions into account, as she was there for the treatments and it appears that none of the rest of us were. Surely HER opinion holds some weight in this matter!
Yes, Dr. Toth made some poor decisions about this Lyme disease treatment.
Yes, this case required professional disciplining - the Board of Healing Arts took care of that.
What many of you apparently don't know, though, is that not every ``legal'' medical treatment used in the US is approved by the FDA. Aspirin is one example!
From what I understand, some treatments can be grand-fathered into ``legal'' status for research purposes without explicit FDA approval.
There is so much about this aspect of Dr. Toth's case that the media has not reported!
Do you know that the fourth leading cause of death in the USA is so-called properly prescribed FDA-APPROVED prescription drugs?
Who is prosecuting the physicians who prescribed these drugs and the pharmaceutical companies which created them, to the tune of over 100,000 deaths every single year? Do you see the double-standard here?
What I don't see being taken into account in most of the above comments is how the Judge made his sentencing decision. He based his sentencing on the Grand Jury indictment.
Do I need to point out that the Grand Jury heard only the District Attorney's prosecution arguments, without ever hearing Dr. Toth's Defense give the other side of the case?
Because this is the way Grand Juries operate, the DA was able to present (and distort?) only the facts he wanted the Grand Jury to see while leaving out all other details that might muddy his supposedly clear-cut case.
The DA's arguments were never tempered or challenged by Dr. Toth's Attorney, and therefore contained inaccuracies and fallacies.
Judge Leuenberger's sentencing was not justice - it was a travesty - because he apparently based it on one side of the story!
This is such a sad day for all involved. One patient is dead and the day-to-day lives of several others have been all but destroyed, including the lives of Dr. Toth and his family! There are no winners here.
Posted by: thenewmans at Mar 29, 2008 at 05:10:44 PM
Thank you, Independent Thinker, for your thoughts. I know John and his wife through church, and I have been so impressed by their grace and generosity. It will be so hard for them to recover from this.
Amen to the comment about the double-standards in prescribing "FDA approved" drugs; you hear about suicides in adolescents because doctors prescribed the wrong doses/formulas of antidepressants, you hear of life-altering gastrointestinal problems because of drugs like Boniva...the point is, all of medicine is a gamble.
God did not give us an owners' manual to the human body, and we don't always know what's going to happen (remember bloodletting up until the 19th century, anyone?).
He truly understood the Hippocratic oath, and he never wanted to harm anyone. I am sure that he would have taken no offense if a patient objected to his alternative strategies to cure disease.
I wonder if all of the current scandal regarding medical practitioners' ethics and the Kansas Board of Healing Arts somehow influenced this judgment...
I hope Mr. Toth can appeal the sentence, but I'm not sure, as he pleaded no contest. I'm not a lawyer.
Posted by: mohack at Mar 29, 2008 at 06:40:15 PM
*I have known Dr. Toth and his wife for many years, first as a Lyme disease patient and now as a close friend. If anyone is in a position to tell you about this man's character, it's me!*
Witch wife? The first one he had an affair on while he went to Topeka Bible church or the second one?
The Judge did make the final decision. It was correct.
Posted by: IndependentThinker at Mar 29, 2008 at 07:24:27 PM
Mohack, please share with me exactly what private details of Dr. Toth's first marriage and divorce have to do with Beverly Wunder's case.
It is obvious from my post WHICH (not "witch") wife I was referring to: the only woman who has been his wife for several years now!
Your post links the Judge's legally binding decision with your subjective allegations of Dr. Toth's conduct at TBC -- allegations you don't substantiate.
I fail to see how your personal opinion of Dr. Toth can be used to logically rationalize what happened in Judge Leuenberger's court of law yesterday afternoon. Care to explain?!?
-2 Rating Posted by: waxco at Mar 29, 2008 at 09:17:33 PM
IndependentThinker~ Don't ask Mohack to explain anything, we've already read to what levels Mohack sinks. Stay on the subject at hand here.
When things like this happen, God is watching and listening. I wouldn't be so fast to judge John Toth.
I would show compassion to all parties involved. If bitterness and anger consume you, you will be incarcerated by your own ill will.
John will survive, and he broke no oath. He offered alternatives and he doesn't do anything will ill intent.
Bash him if you must, revel in his dispare, hate and loathe him, he will survive, I promise you this.
Posted by: mohack at Mar 29, 2008 at 09:26:47 PM
*I hope Mr. Toth can appeal the sentence, but I'm not sure, as he pleaded no contest. I'm not a lawyer. *
You are correct your not a Lawyer. Since he pleaded no contest his sentence is not subject to appeal.
That is the second edge of getting off light by trying to make a deal to get out of 2nd degree murder.
IndependentThinker *pauses to chuckle* If you want me to spell it out for you.
I was just pointing out that you are no more credible as a character witness for him as he was for himself.
I do have my opinion yes. Everyone is entitled, even you, and I am voicing mine now.
They are not allegations I assure you. He did have an affair and he did divorce his wife and take up residence with the new woman.
His previous wife is a physician and a fine individual. I don't think you noticed, but she never participated in the questionable activities or ever killed anyone because of her need to help them.
One more observation you may want to consider IT. Subjective is a good word and you use it well. *smile*
It is my opinion that you have most of your facts wrong. I know for a fact several are and your rant is the same misinformed need to justify behavior that sane folks understand is unacceptable.
One final point if I may. Now please think this one through and test it with you common sense.
Do we really have an epidemic of Lyme's Disease and if so why are so many of the cases being treated only by a doctor that has now been convicted and sentenced to prison?
IndependentThinker *pauses to chuckle* If you want me to spell it out for you.
I was just pointing out that you are no more credible as a character witness for him as he was for himself.
Its is my opinion yes. Everyone is entitled. They are not allegations I assure you. He did have an affair and he did divorce his wife and take up residence with the new woman. Till they
+ 2 Rating Posted by: teamoyahweh at Mar 29, 2008 at 09:46:21 PM
One final point if I may. Now please think this one through and test it with you common sense. Do we really have an epidemic of Lyme's Disease and if so why are so many of the cases being treated only by a doctor that has now been convicted and sentenced to prison?
right on..the judge pointed that out yesterday, as was stated in the article.
there are very few cases of lyme disease in kansas, it is a rare disease to begin with--let alone having 18!!! 18!! all in the same city! ------------------------------------------------ and under the same doctor? seriously? give me a break people, wake up and smell that something stinks here.
Posted by: waxco at Mar 29, 2008 at 10:07:27 PM
Bertha "Susie" Groves, who had been listed as a victim of Toth in a reckless aggravated battery charge, sat in the courtroom. As part of the plea agreement, that charge had been dismissed because, had Toth been tried, Groves intended to testify on the doctor's behalf, Groves wrote in an affidavit.
+ 1 Rating Posted by: royerd at Mar 29, 2008 at 10:29:02 PM
Toth says his desire to help her "caused me to use poor judgment."
Well, indeed: why should his "poor judgment" fueled, not just by a desire to help, but also by an arrogance that caused him to think he knew more than the collective medical community get such an easy excuse from those that think he was a good guy.
People that drink and drive and kill people might also be nice people. Toth was taught better, should have known better, exercised poor judgment by his own admission. He's getting off cheap. --Dan
+ 1 Rating Posted by: mtemp at Mar 29, 2008 at 10:56:49 PM
This is the least he should've gotten. I still can't believe the prosecutor asked for probation...even though he KILLED SOMEONE. Animal!
+ 1 Rating Posted by: smileys at Mar 29, 2008 at 10:58:47 PM
It seems several of you are concerned that this an attack on "alternative" medicine and Toth is being set out as an "example".
If you are so concerned, I would suggest getting your facts in order to alleviate your fears.
From the start, the Kansas Board of Healing Arts has said this is about the lack of judgment from Toth and not about alternative medicine.
Read about what TOTH submitted as evidence for his "wonderful" treatments yourself. Pay particular attention to the details in this one:
+ 1 Rating Posted by: smileys at Mar 29, 2008 at 11:01:35 PM
A quote from first link, is of particular note:
""8. As support for the Bismuth treatment, Respondent apparently relied upon a paper from the Bradford Research Institute (BRI). That paper is part of the agency record, and is identified as Exhibit 5.
The paper identified Bismacine-C and Bismacine-N (Bismuth) as two agents that were being evaluated with Lyme patients at the BRI/ Ingles Hospital in Tijuana, Mexico.
There is no mention of any details of the method of research, criteria for establishing the diagnosis of Lyme disease, or criteria for quantifying side effects.
There is no enumeration of dosages, risks or any details regarding testing results in the exhibit. The Presiding Officer finds that the Bradford Research Institute paper lacks scientific credibility upon which a physician may base a treatment plan.""
Posted by: chasss at Mar 29, 2008 at 11:45:50 PM
Remember, Jim Jones took 700 people to their death in the name of church. All factions of society has its fringe.
Dr Toth is A CONVICTED MURDERER. Let him do his time and pay for what he's done.
When he gets out he can lead the church in prayer and take them straight to heaven or hell. Its your ride, not mine.
Posted by: topekacitizen at Mar 30, 2008 at 01:26:28 AM
He was clearly a QUACK and should have lost his license several years ago. As a former and I mean I only went to him once and knew then that he was a quack, I quickly found a good Dr. in Topeka. He got far less than what he deserved!
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I remember when John Toth was first arrested. He prescribed Bismacine. The thing is, I've been around the Lyme community since 2001, and I never heard of Bismacine before this. Tinny, you predate me on Lymenet, did you know anything about this before the arrest?
The sad thing is, I've seen more than one document imply that bismacine is/was as an ILADS-approved treatment. But I've never heard of anyone use it before this. And I have never seen it recommended by ILADS.
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So is this a good thing,,,or a bad thing,,,for us lymies??
Is it bad that this alternative obviously dangerous method is 'off the streets??'
I view it,until advised otherwise, as a strike against this non dangerous,easy to dx,easy to treat disease that NOBODY ever gets since its so rare!!
I would severly doubt this doctor had any idea that the dangers were this large. Wonder where he got the ideas to treat with this,,,and HOW MANY patients got well with same therapy??
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i feel for the family...people are so desperate to get well.
i'm confused -- did she or did she not have lyme??
we have a doc around here that i won't go to but it's not because of medical issues....
there's always one bad apple in the barrel.......
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However...we are all aware of the accuracy of testing, so who really knows?
Obviously, the patient believed she had Lyme.
Until we have accurate testing available to us, we will all suffer the consequences of ignorance and speculation on so many levels.
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I know Melanie already alluded to my previous posting, but again, let me make it clear that my mom did NOT have lyme disease.
She complained of no symptoms at all nor did she show any.
The "tests" that dr toth used were also provided by the same quack that provided the drug.
It was all a scam, the "Dr" (merely a PhD doc, from an online university where you can buy a degree) who provided the bismacine to toth had some 5 previous felony charges.
He had previously even claimed to have a cure for cancer which we know doesn't exist.
I'm not making this stuff up, this comes from reputable sources like the judge in the courtroom the other day.
I know Lyme can be hard to diagnose with the tests.
But when the tests are rigged as well, to make it seem "borderline" and when a patient trusts their doctor's advice to treat "just in case"...well, someone's just trying to get rich quick and sell a cure that isn't there.
Toth had even set up a separate bank account for cash flow for his Lyme business, because and I quote the judge, he "expected legal problems".
It's quite clear he was simply greedy and reckless.
Putting it nicely, he is one messed up and sick sick man.
If you go back to the article (the link that was posted above) there are now even more comments afterwards.
Some by my husband and I as well, his are the longer ones that state the facts (draftboy45).
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If the mainstream medical establishment would stop
screwing us, people like this wouldn't be able to fill this niche.
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Melanie, thank you for taking the time and effort to keep us chronic lymies informed on your Mom's trial of dr. toth!
then for toth to set up a separate cash flow acct. for "legal problems" expected; that says it all.
Melanie, I'm so sorry for all that you/family have gone thru on your Mom.
also the comments about the online PhD degree online....disgusting!
as time permits i'll try to go back and copy more comments, OR SOMEONE else could do that too.
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I don't know you but your story is heartbreaking. I am sorry for your family and the grief that you are going through.
I am sorry that your dear mother's life was cut short by a man looking to make a profit off of a diagnosis that was unfounded.
It makes me shiver to think that maybe there will be more "doctors" out there coming along to financially rape us that are truly suffering with lyme and are at the end of our knotted ropes.
I surely hope he was the absolute exception.
Again, my deepest condolences to you and your family.
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